Hair, skin and prostate - a cycle that minimally affects these 3

So a bit of background because we react differently to different steroids. Im 37 and I will list the cycles Ive done and their effects so you can get an idea of how things work and effect me.

Age 25, Cycle 1, just test enanthate, testoviron of 500mg for 12 weeks. Very little side effects, no hair loss, my skin was unaffected not even bigger pores on my face.

Age 27, Cycle 2, 500mg test enanthate and 400mg deca, for 12 weeks, then just 500mg test and 25mg winstrol a day for 4 weeks for 16 weeks total. I did get hair loss after this cycle - not during but about 4 weeks after my last shot of test. My skin looked great though - I was doing lots of zone 2 cardio, always looked healthy.

Age 28, Cycle 3. 500mg test cypionate and 300mg of primo for 12 weeks, this one really gave me hair loss that I noticed about 4 weeks in. I could see my crown under strong overhead lighting and also it got very thin all over the top. I had no prostate issues until the last few weeks and then started to get really urgent needing to pee and I'd wake up twice a night instead of once to pee. This prostate stuff went away after 6 weeks off cycle but the hair thinning stayed. primo also made my face age a lot, a kind of leathery look. That took about 4 months to go away but never completely. lots of zone 2 cardio on this cycle also

Age 34, Cycle 4. 500mg test cypionate for 16 weeks and 20mg of dianabol a day for the first 4 weeks. Holy crap dianabol is strong it changed my physique every few days. It did cause quite a lot of hair loss though and just at the front of my hair. No problem with prostate but I got shitty skin on my face, big pores in the T zone of the face, which looked bad. lots of zone 2 cardio as well

Age 35 I started TRT with 90mg of test enanthate a week through a clinic. TRT has not added much in physical performance but its made me a lot more vascular, surprisingly so.

So increasing age must factor in here and Id like to do another cycle in Spring time.

I want to minimise hair loss for sure, but I am concerned about dutasteride and finestaride having permanent sexual side effects. I understand with finasteride it is now believed it seems to be with men in their early to mid 20s when DHT is still changing the brain and drastically cutting DHT in formative years can have the permanent effects. And it's low risk for someone 37. Is this correct?

I also want to minimize prostate enlargement mainly so an enlarged prostate doesn't negatively affect my sleep for years to come, because sleep is vitally important to mental and physical health and performance.

I definitely don't want the leathery skin look primo gave me and how it aged my face a lot, so primo is definitely something Id not use again. So that rules out Masteron also.

What do you guys think?

Something like 250 test and 200 deca (with no 5AR inhibitor as that worsens deca) and no Nizoral ? Or does Nizoral just remove DHT from the scalp rather than operate through 5AR?

Alternatively 400-500 test for 16 weeks would get me plenty of results and use dutasteride. Im going to have to use dutasteride or finasteride quite soon anyway to keep decent hair

All ideas welcome
 
You should see if your body agrees with finasteride or dutasteride without side effects. Both medications will help with hair loss and also reduce the enlargement of your prostrate which you are concerned with. They will also negate much of the hair loss from taking testosterone. On one of these medications, a moderate test only cycle should be hair safe.

I encourage you to look into other products to assist in maintaining and regrowing your hair.

Look into RU 58841 which is an anti androgen. It will block androgens from binding to your hair follicles which would otherwise cause recession/hairloss.

Minoxidil can restore growth by increasing the blood flow to the scalp.

And the Nizoral your mention has the active ingredient of Ketoconazole at 1%. You can find ketoconazole shampoo at 2%. It’s suppose to act as a mild anti androgen.

You can also try microneedling, but I just started this last week so I have no personal experience to relay to you.

I buy RU 58841 5% solution and ketocinazole 2% shampoo from minoxidilmax. Costco carries a 6 month supply of 5% minoxidil foam for like $50 in the medication/supplement section.

If you use other products with finasteride/dusteride, you may be able to use more than testosterone without hair loss. You may see hair growth and gain density on cycle.
 
So a bit of background because we react differently to different steroids. Im 37 and I will list the cycles Ive done and their effects so you can get an idea of how things work and effect me.

Age 25, Cycle 1, just test enanthate, testoviron of 500mg for 12 weeks. Very little side effects, no hair loss, my skin was unaffected not even bigger pores on my face.

Age 27, Cycle 2, 500mg test enanthate and 400mg deca, for 12 weeks, then just 500mg test and 25mg winstrol a day for 4 weeks for 16 weeks total. I did get hair loss after this cycle - not during but about 4 weeks after my last shot of test. My skin looked great though - I was doing lots of zone 2 cardio, always looked healthy.

Age 28, Cycle 3. 500mg test cypionate and 300mg of primo for 12 weeks, this one really gave me hair loss that I noticed about 4 weeks in. I could see my crown under strong overhead lighting and also it got very thin all over the top. I had no prostate issues until the last few weeks and then started to get really urgent needing to pee and I'd wake up twice a night instead of once to pee. This prostate stuff went away after 6 weeks off cycle but the hair thinning stayed. primo also made my face age a lot, a kind of leathery look. That took about 4 months to go away but never completely. lots of zone 2 cardio on this cycle also

Age 34, Cycle 4. 500mg test cypionate for 16 weeks and 20mg of dianabol a day for the first 4 weeks. Holy crap dianabol is strong it changed my physique every few days. It did cause quite a lot of hair loss though and just at the front of my hair. No problem with prostate but I got shitty skin on my face, big pores in the T zone of the face, which looked bad. lots of zone 2 cardio as well

Age 35 I started TRT with 90mg of test enanthate a week through a clinic. TRT has not added much in physical performance but its made me a lot more vascular, surprisingly so.

So increasing age must factor in here and Id like to do another cycle in Spring time.

I want to minimise hair loss for sure, but I am concerned about dutasteride and finestaride having permanent sexual side effects. I understand with finasteride it is now believed it seems to be with men in their early to mid 20s when DHT is still changing the brain and drastically cutting DHT in formative years can have the permanent effects. And it's low risk for someone 37. Is this correct?

I also want to minimize prostate enlargement mainly so an enlarged prostate doesn't negatively affect my sleep for years to come, because sleep is vitally important to mental and physical health and performance.

I definitely don't want the leathery skin look primo gave me and how it aged my face a lot, so primo is definitely something Id not use again. So that rules out Masteron also.

What do you guys think?

Something like 250 test and 200 deca (with no 5AR inhibitor as that worsens deca) and no Nizoral ? Or does Nizoral just remove DHT from the scalp rather than operate through 5AR?

Alternatively 400-500 test for 16 weeks would get me plenty of results and use dutasteride. Im going to have to use dutasteride or finasteride quite soon anyway to keep decent hair

All ideas welcome
I get your point as this is one of my main concerns, at least it used to be, I stick with test only now as I feel it’s much safer overall for my health.

BUT, when I didn’t care about LVH, cardiovascular issues etc, and was mainly concerned about my hair and acne I would do trt test at 100 mg a week plus 3-400 mg deca. Only side I would have is increase BP and would sweat a ton, esp at night, but zero acne or hair loss.
 
So a bit of background because we react differently to different steroids. Im 37 and I will list the cycles Ive done and their effects so you can get an idea of how things work and effect me.

Age 25, Cycle 1, just test enanthate, testoviron of 500mg for 12 weeks. Very little side effects, no hair loss, my skin was unaffected not even bigger pores on my face.

Age 27, Cycle 2, 500mg test enanthate and 400mg deca, for 12 weeks, then just 500mg test and 25mg winstrol a day for 4 weeks for 16 weeks total. I did get hair loss after this cycle - not during but about 4 weeks after my last shot of test. My skin looked great though - I was doing lots of zone 2 cardio, always looked healthy.

Age 28, Cycle 3. 500mg test cypionate and 300mg of primo for 12 weeks, this one really gave me hair loss that I noticed about 4 weeks in. I could see my crown under strong overhead lighting and also it got very thin all over the top. I had no prostate issues until the last few weeks and then started to get really urgent needing to pee and I'd wake up twice a night instead of once to pee. This prostate stuff went away after 6 weeks off cycle but the hair thinning stayed. primo also made my face age a lot, a kind of leathery look. That took about 4 months to go away but never completely. lots of zone 2 cardio on this cycle also

Age 34, Cycle 4. 500mg test cypionate for 16 weeks and 20mg of dianabol a day for the first 4 weeks. Holy crap dianabol is strong it changed my physique every few days. It did cause quite a lot of hair loss though and just at the front of my hair. No problem with prostate but I got shitty skin on my face, big pores in the T zone of the face, which looked bad. lots of zone 2 cardio as well

Age 35 I started TRT with 90mg of test enanthate a week through a clinic. TRT has not added much in physical performance but its made me a lot more vascular, surprisingly so.

So increasing age must factor in here and Id like to do another cycle in Spring time.

I want to minimise hair loss for sure, but I am concerned about dutasteride and finestaride having permanent sexual side effects. I understand with finasteride it is now believed it seems to be with men in their early to mid 20s when DHT is still changing the brain and drastically cutting DHT in formative years can have the permanent effects. And it's low risk for someone 37. Is this correct?

I also want to minimize prostate enlargement mainly so an enlarged prostate doesn't negatively affect my sleep for years to come, because sleep is vitally important to mental and physical health and performance.

I definitely don't want the leathery skin look primo gave me and how it aged my face a lot, so primo is definitely something Id not use again. So that rules out Masteron also.

What do you guys think?

Something like 250 test and 200 deca (with no 5AR inhibitor as that worsens deca) and no Nizoral ? Or does Nizoral just remove DHT from the scalp rather than operate through 5AR?

Alternatively 400-500 test for 16 weeks would get me plenty of results and use dutasteride. Im going to have to use dutasteride or finasteride quite soon anyway to keep decent hair

All ideas welcome
Yeah.
Nothing really.
Even tiny trt amounts -concurrent with natural aging- eventually add up to sides.
And while the mitigating suggestions for hair, for example, that others have mentioned are indeed viable for some - Minoxidil/Fin/Dut/RU - they also come with sides.

One day soon AI with develop a customized CRISPR targeted just for your personal longevity and well being. Maybe 10 years.
 
Test. Just up the test. Everything you added with test gave you side effects. You’re looking for no side effects.


TEST

If 500 doesn’t fancy you any more do 750.
 
Nandrolone only I guess?
Nandrolone + injectable estradiol - estradiol being essential. I could try this and see how I feel - fear of being really depressed and sluggish is the main thing with nandrolone only. Although with test on hand, a big shot of test would reverse that (from experience with low test higher nandrolone)
 
I get your point as this is one of my main concerns, at least it used to be, I stick with test only now as I feel it’s much safer overall for my health.

BUT, when I didn’t care about LVH, cardiovascular issues etc, and was mainly concerned about my hair and acne I would do trt test at 100 mg a week plus 3-400 mg deca. Only side I would have is increase BP and would sweat a ton, esp at night, but zero acne or hair loss.
Thanks mate, I hear that nandrolone can be particularly bad for the heart, But is this just from those who don't use enough testosterone to give them enough estradiol on the cycle?

What doses of test do you use?

As said 400-500mg test would get me plenty of results if I ran it for longer periods. Although I'd say nandrolone is at least 3 times as powerful for strength and size in me
 
Yeah.
Nothing really.
Even tiny trt amounts -concurrent with natural aging- eventually add up to sides.
And while the mitigating suggestions for hair, for example, that others have mentioned are indeed viable for some - Minoxidil/Fin/Dut/RU - they also come with sides.

One day soon AI with develop a customized CRISPR targeted just for your personal longevity and well being. Maybe 10 years.

Funny you should mention AI, one of my main reasons for wanting to stay alive as long as possible is to live to see AI be able to keep us really healthy and fit for much much longer than the moment
 
You should see if your body agrees with finasteride or dutasteride without side effects. Both medications will help with hair loss and also reduce the enlargement of your prostrate which you are concerned with. They will also negate much of the hair loss from taking testosterone. On one of these medications, a moderate test only cycle should be hair safe.

I encourage you to look into other products to assist in maintaining and regrowing your hair.

Look into RU 58841 which is an anti androgen. It will block androgens from binding to your hair follicles which would otherwise cause recession/hairloss.

Minoxidil can restore growth by increasing the blood flow to the scalp.

And the Nizoral your mention has the active ingredient of Ketoconazole at 1%. You can find ketoconazole shampoo at 2%. It’s suppose to act as a mild anti androgen.

You can also try microneedling, but I just started this last week so I have no personal experience to relay to you.

I buy RU 58841 5% solution and ketocinazole 2% shampoo from minoxidilmax. Costco carries a 6 month supply of 5% minoxidil foam for like $50 in the medication/supplement section.

If you use other products with finasteride/dusteride, you may be able to use more than testosterone without hair loss. You may see hair growth and gain density on cycle.

Dutasteride is tricky - I have 90 tablets of Avodart I've never tried - the half life being 4-6 weeks, I worry negatives will take 4 or 5 months to go away
EG imagine if it crushed my mental health and that was awful for 4 or 5 months. That is full on

Derek from MPMD uses RU doesn't he? I will start his minoxidil soon, the Intelligent brand as it says its none greasy.

The great thing about the UK is Nizoral is 2% keto !
 
Thanks mate, I hear that nandrolone can be particularly bad for the heart, But is this just from those who don't use enough testosterone to give them enough estradiol on the cycle?

What doses of test do you use?

As said 400-500mg test would get me plenty of results if I ran it for longer periods. Although I'd say nandrolone is at least 3 times as powerful for strength and size in me
I used trt test at 100 mg, deca at 3-400 mg
 
Do test and deca stay away from dht based gear.

Start at 500/300 and work your way up until you find sides that you can't handle. Dial back 2 steps and stay there
 
I used trt test at 100 mg, deca at 3-400 mg
What level of blood pressure increase did you get from this? And no side effects mentally like sluggishness from the nandrolone? Because you use test only now, what doses do you use on blasts, assuming you do trt levels and cruise?
 
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