Have to ask about race...

[Weatherlite]

Ok, I understand that we want to have a relatively calm and hate free board so I understand the desire to keep topics calm and rational and to not allow people to continually make extreme racist comments. That all makes sense.

What I want to know is how most people here feel about race issues. As an example...I consider a person who regards all people of a particular race as inferior or who belittles them solely for thier race, etc as a racist. Would everyone agree on that? Now I'm sure there are KKK members or Nazi's etc etc who have made the exception and slept with or commingled with a member of the inferior race.

So then, what is someone considered if they think only certain members of a race are inferior and give the rest a bad name? As an example....that KKK member (doesn't have to be KKK though...could just be some dumbass, overall wearin, hayseed -- I might consider him to be some piece of white trash, honkey, reneck, ignorant hick and he is inferior to me and gives the majority of my race (yes, I'm white) a bad image. I might also consider a black man who acts the same was as the KKK member or that hayseed and think of him as...*gasp* yes a nigger. People don't like that work but it has the same connotation as callin a white guy a cracker...and I'm just using it as an example here so keep yer panties on people. Anyway, if I consider some whites as crackers and white trash, but regard whites in general as decent people, am I a racist? On that same note, just because I consider certain blacks to be niggers am I racist? What about some of the hispanic gang members...if they're spics am I a racist?

I just want to know at what point do you guys consider a person to become racist. Just making racist style remarks...does that make them racist? Not coming to anyone's defense...just curious cause I see a LOT of double standards from some people on here and wanted to know how they really felt.

Me....if you're a dumbass then you're a dumbass and I may call you anything regardless of your race....yep, even called white people the n word because they were ignorant which is the origin of that word anyway.

 

[Grizzly]

Very generalized description of Chicago:

North side: Hoity-toity, rich, gay, liberal haven.

South side: Blue collar, conservative and home of most of the black folkseses.

My g/f is born and bred far NW Suburbs. (It should be noted that said Chicago description is even more pronounced in the burbs) The other week I was working at a black nightclub. She came to pick me up. I was fucking off outside doing work crap and she went in to use the bathroom about half an hour after closing.

She was totally scandalized that all of the dudes who worked there were like, "what you doing, white girl? You lost white girl? What you doing here, white girl?"

It came as a total shock to her that black folks don't like white folks. Really?

In their defense, it was a perfectly acceptable question to pose. When white people come up to the door, we ask them if they want the club down the street. 99.9% of the time, that's where they're trying to go. So, at 2:30am, ANYONE walking in the door of the club(since it was closed) is suspicious. Especially a white person, who 99.9% of the time IS lost. LOL

What's the point? I don't know. That story cracks me up. She was soooooo offended.

 

[taser]

we can never paint a particular race with such a large brush..i think the question should be directed towards cultures.how certain cultutes accept certain ways of life ect...that has always been my topic of choice..i think all people are born equal but it is their culture that dictates the way they live(for the most part)

 

[van-man]

we can never paint a particular race with such a large brush..i think the question should be directed towards cultures.how certain cultutes accept certain ways of life ect...that has always been my topic of choice..i think all people are born equal but it is their culture that dictates the way they live(for the most part)

this is sooooo true, even though I've never seen you make such a distinction in ANY of your posts! The last university I attended had a lot of Jamacian exchange students, and let me tell you, aside from skin color, these fellas had nothing in common with American black folk. I really enjoyed my classes with a couple of Jamacian guys... some good guys there.
Wish I could say the same for all the sean john wearin', gold teeth havin', black n' mild smokin, loud music playin', social deviants I see around campus these days. Also, I should add that most of these characters don't attend the university, they just cruise the lots between classes hoping to score some digits

 

[The Animal]

this is sooooo true, even though I've never seen you make such a distinction in ANY of your posts! The last university I attended had a lot of Jamacian exchange students, and let me tell you, aside from skin color, these fellas had nothing in common with American black folk. I really enjoyed my classes with a couple of Jamacian guys... some good guys there.
Wish I could say the same for all the sean john wearin', gold teeth havin', black n' mild smokin, loud music playin', social deviants I see around campus these days. Also, I should add that most of these characters don't attend the university, they just cruise the lots between classes hoping to score some digits

Sounds like an oppresive statement to me. This post is racist against black americans because of the comparison made. It's obvious you have a personal problem against blacks I'm guessing because their presence intimidates or even makes you feel unconfortable. Would it be more appropriate if they dressed like you, share the same taste in music, then would you consider them as rightful citizens. I won't even address the stuporous remark about gold teeth. It's evident you justify your beliefs on fictional videos that are designed to attracted buyers much like the movies marketed today.

 

[Grizzly]

Sounds like an oppresive statement to me. This post is racist against black americans because of the comparison made. It's obvious you have a personal problem against blacks I'm guessing because their presence intimidates or even makes you feel unconfortable. Would it be more appropriate if they dressed like you, share the same taste in music, then would you consider them as rightful citizens. I won't even address the stuporous remark about gold teeth. It's evident you justify your beliefs on fictional videos that are designed to attracted buyers much like the movies marketed today.

That's it! If you're going to be the defender of the coloreds, then PLEASE fucking make your posts grammatically correct. 'kay? OK.

It's great that you think you're some fucking crusader for civil rights. Wonderful. Yeah, it really is. :rolleys: Of course, if I were you, I'd get a better job so I didn't have to live in a 95% black town....dick

 

[van-man]

Sounds like an oppresive statement to me. This post is racist against black americans because of the comparison made. It's obvious you have a personal problem against blacks I'm guessing because their presence intimidates or even makes you feel unconfortable. Would it be more appropriate if they dressed like you, share the same taste in music, then would you consider them as rightful citizens. I won't even address the stuporous remark about gold teeth. It's evident you justify your beliefs on fictional videos that are designed to attracted buyers much like the movies marketed today.

Ha! I don't know what world you live in that you've never seen these sorts of occurences in real life, but I wish I lived there too. Must be nice havin' them rose colored glasses on all the time

But hey, you got my number. I am very intimidated by a man who didn't finish high school; spends his weed money on big wheels, subs, and shiny glitter paint for his delta 88 instead of the head gaskets and muffler that it desperately needs; and still thinks he's gonna get drafted by the NBA![)]

I don't care what color you are, that's stupid. If you are black, Animal, then you need to take a look at your peers and see what's really going on with them. And if you're white and you feel this way, then you need to take a look at your peers and see what's going on with them. This is a problem with America, manifest in the lives of lower class urban African-Americans.

And now this part I'm not going to be civil about so, brace yourself:

It's evident you justify your beliefs on fictional videos that are designed to attracted buyers much like the movies marketed today.

I have worked security at night clubs frequented by urban blacks. Oddly enough, those clubs are the only ones who need armed security. Anyway, I see these stupid fucks lining up all night at the door dressed up like their favorite "wrapper". No social regard for one another when they are sober, and when the drinking starts... watch out. There's not a saturday night that goes by that these stupid social degenerates don't shed one anothers blood. I've never seen anything like it! Women, men it doesn't matter! They WANT to kill each other! And here comes the shocking part.... I let 'em! When the gunfire erupts, we let 'em shoot it out, and then we put down whoever is left standing. The sooner this mentality kills it self off the better for all of society.

 

[Dionysus]

If anybody should be angry at those degnerate assholes its the decent black folk who work hard and try to live right.
The "gangsta" homeboy blacks make it difficult for the entire black race to achieve by casting the whole race in a bad light.

If I were black, i know i'd be pissed.

 

[The Animal]

Ha! I don't know what world you live in that you've never seen these sorts of occurences in real life, but I wish I lived there too. Must be nice havin' them rose colored glasses on all the time

But hey, you got my number. I am very intimidated by a man who didn't finish high school; spends his weed money on big wheels, subs, and shiny glitter paint for his delta 88 instead of the head gaskets and muffler that it desperately needs; and still thinks he's gonna get drafted by the NBA![)]

I don't care what color you are, that's stupid. If you are black, Animal, then you need to take a look at your peers and see what's really going on with them. And if you're white and you feel this way, then you need to take a look at your peers and see what's going on with them. This is a problem with America, manifest in the lives of lower class urban African-Americans.

And now this part I'm not going to be civil about so, brace yourself:



I have worked security at night clubs frequented by urban blacks. Oddly enough, those clubs are the only ones who need armed security. Anyway, I see these stupid fucks lining up all night at the door dressed up like their favorite "wrapper". No social regard for one another when they are sober, and when the drinking starts... watch out. There's not a saturday night that goes by that these stupid social degenerates don't shed one anothers blood. I've never seen anything like it! Women, men it doesn't matter! They WANT to kill each other! And here comes the shocking part.... I let 'em! When the gunfire erupts, we let 'em shoot it out, and then we put down whoever is left standing. The sooner this mentality kills it self off the better for all of society.

I must say I agree with the majority of this post especailly the part about the delta. That was funny. I do see this quite often. Head Gasket? That was funny man. I also see guys in Caddy's,
brand new vehicles sitting on nice rims and I commend them. That is the difference between one who takes care of his shit, and one who doesn't. This is also true. Blacks killing each other over nothing and it's duscusting. It's nothing new to me living in a city that is announced the murder capital of the world five months into the year. Van no disrespect but I can tell by the way you talk you have never felt any real pressure in your life. The events that occured
you speak about would be all of the news so at least be honest with yourself. I haven't heard about anyone putting anything down in a while inless you're a part of the NYPD.

 

[The Animal]

That's it! If you're going to be the defender of the coloreds, then PLEASE fucking make your posts grammatically correct. 'kay? OK.

It's great that you think you're some fucking crusader for civil rights. Wonderful. Yeah, it really is. :rolleys: Of course, if I were you, I'd get a better job so I didn't have to live in a 95% black town....dick

I'll admit I live where all the cops, doctors, lawyers, mothers a judge who left me the house across the street from Emanuel Stewart's Manchant in Palmer Park if you knew anything about Detroit but it's obvious you don't because your a moron. Is my grammer getting better? Colored? How old are you 60? Man... that's messed up because at this point I actaully feel sorry for you. Civil Rights? O.K I'm sorry but you're just a fucking idiot. The Mayor's down the street next door to John Sally that has a house with 62 rooms now who's the dick now? Money's not a issue, woman won't leave me alone, and life couldn't be any better.

 

[van-man]

I must say I agree with the majority of this post especailly the part about the delta. That was funny. I do see this quite often. Head Gasket? That was funny man. I also see guys in Caddy's,
brand new vehicles sitting on nice rims and I commend them. That is the difference between one who takes care of his shit, and one who doesn't. This is also true. Blacks killing each other over nothing and it's duscusting. It's nothing new to me living in a city that is announced the murder capital of the world five months into the year. Van no disrespect but I can tell by the way you talk you have never felt any real pressure in your life. The events that occured
you speak about would be all of the news so at least be honest with yourself. I haven't heard about anyone putting anything down in a while inless you're a part of the NYPD.

Buddy, I'll talk with you all day long about anything under the sun, but don't for one second assume you know a thing about me and what I've dealt with in life. That kind of hasty generalization is the trademark of racists. As many people that die every day, you would have to be a whole new level of naive to think that some small time crack dealer getting shot by security in the back parking lot of a small time Oklahoma City night club is worthy of a Detroit news brief.
Its true that most times we are able to either subdue them physically or with non-lethal weapons, but every so often (last saturday) it seems that shit just erupts. I can usually feel it coming on when its gonna happen. About 20 some odd thugs getting in each others faces and then before you know it, bullets are flying. I've seen it get so bad that OCPD has pepper sprayed the club at full capacity, which is nearly 850 people, just to get everyone outside to handle the fight.
I've pushed my way through people in that club to get to a young girl unconsious on the floor, in seizures, and vomiting with every breath; all while people stepped right over her without any regard! That was perhaps one of the hardest to deal with for me, I lost my voice screaming at everyone to get the fuck out of my way while I carried that poor girl outside to the paramedics. Some worthless fuck wanted to slip her a mickey so he could go have his way with her, but he was so stupid that he gave her too much and she fell ill. Ironically, that probably saved her from a worse fate.
I'll be honest, I used to be a very open minded person. But the longer I live and the more I see, the more tempted I become to bang the gavel of judgement on whole classes of people. I wasn't born a racist, but I'll most likely die one.

 

[Preacher]

I wasn't born a racist, but I'll most likely die one.

Thats the trues statement I have ever heard....

 

[Grizzly]

I'll admit I live where all the cops, doctors, lawyers, mothers a judge who left me the house across the street from Emanuel Stewart's Manchant in Palmer Park if you knew anything about Detroit but it's obvious you don't because your a moron. Is my grammer getting better? Colored? How old are you 60? Man... that's messed up because at this point I actaully feel sorry for you. Civil Rights? O.K I'm sorry but you're just a fucking idiot. The Mayor's down the street next door to John Sally that has a house with 62 rooms now who's the dick now? Money's not a issue, woman won't leave me alone, and life couldn't be any better.

Is your "grammer" getting any better? Not at all. Still reads as though you were educated in the Detroit public school system.

FYI- unless the demographics have changed drastically in 2 years, the 2004 census has Detroit at 80% black. Furthermore, so you own a house in Detroit? That's nice. A job at Burger King pays for a 63k house, which, before you get smart, is the average home price as of 2004. See city-data.com for statistics.

And why are you so proud of Detroit? We're talking about a city that, 20 years ago, was one of the top 5 most thriving metropolises in the US....until the demographics changed. What is it now? A fucking armpit! It's 40% vacant lots. It's a crime ridden shithole. It's fucking disgusting! Yes, I've been there.

 

[Grizzly]

Its true that most times we are able to either subdue them physically or with non-lethal weapons, but every so often (last saturday) it seems that shit just erupts. .

More fun than I'm having. I've been, and will be working for a few weeks, this fancy-pants place that hosts private parties for the uber-rich. FYI- get a job with Dyson vacuum cleaners. Those people party like motherfuckers! Anyway, the most "action" I get is chasing the homeless people away from the rich people. Good times, I tell you!

The sick part is that I make more money sitting on my ass for 8 hours doing that than I can find a "real job" to pay me. That's fucked up!

 

[van-man]

More fun than I'm having. I've been, and will be working for a few weeks, this fancy-pants place that hosts private parties for the uber-rich. FYI- get a job with Dyson vacuum cleaners. Those people party like motherfuckers! Anyway, the most "action" I get is chasing the homeless people away from the rich people. Good times, I tell you!

The sick part is that I make more money sitting on my ass for 8 hours doing that than I can find a "real job" to pay me. That's fucked up!

Sometimes its fun when its just your average idiots fighting over some fat girl
But when the club closes its just nerve racking and flat out scary.

The only reason I do it is to help out some friends of mine, they do that shit every night of the week while they're getting their CJ degree. My day job pays me enough, but can get a bit stale I guess.
I tell ya though... I couldn't fight clean for a million dollars, I don't know how!

 

[oldtimer]

Sometimes its fun when its just your average idiots fighting over some fat girl
But when the club closes its just nerve racking and flat out scary.

The only reason I do it is to help out some friends of mine, they do that shit every night of the week while they're getting their CJ degree. My day job pays me enough, but can get a bit stale I guess.
I tell ya though... I couldn't fight clean for a million dollars, I don't know how!

I honestly don't know how you can stand it, if you have to do it and you got no other source of income then I understand, but some people do have other jobs and still do it. I think it's one of the shittiest jobs ever. When two punks come and start fighting and ruin everyone's night although people are there to have a good time, I get to be the one who clean the shit .

 

[van-man]

I honestly don't know how you can stand it, if you have to do it and you got no other source of income then I understand, but some people do have other jobs and still do it. I think it's one of the shittiest jobs ever. When two punks come and start fighting and ruin everyone's night although people are there to have a good time, I get to be the one who clean the shit .

weeeell for me, like I was sayin', I got asked by a buddy of mine who does it as a regular job. He works at a bunch of different places, but as you can tell this one was bad. He'd lost a bunch of security guys because they kinda wigged out and couldn't take it anymore so, he asked me if I would come out and watch his back until the manager hired more regular guys. Its been a few months now, and I don't think I'll have to help out much longer, but it has definitely been an eye opening experience for sure.

 

[The Animal]

Is your "grammer" getting any better? Not at all. Still reads as though you were educated in the Detroit public school system.

FYI- unless the demographics have changed drastically in 2 years, the 2004 census has Detroit at 80% black. Furthermore, so you own a house in Detroit? That's nice. A job at Burger King pays for a 63k house, which, before you get smart, is the average home price as of 2004. See city-data.com for statistics.

And why are you so proud of Detroit? We're talking about a city that, 20 years ago, was one of the top 5 most thriving metropolises in the US....until the demographics changed. What is it now? A fucking armpit! It's 40% vacant lots. It's a crime ridden shithole. It's fucking disgusting! Yes, I've been there.

I never said Detroit was a town of luxury but the part I live is where all rich white families live. You like to degragate blacks on the a the board like a coward, refer to them uneducated...You're a racist period. I would like to thank you for you supplying me with entertainment. I get so bored at work sometimes. Since you want to do some research about this town, look up Palmer Woods in Detroit. Don't get me wrong, the majority of the town is a real shithole. I guess the parts where my friends live. Black on black is a problem around here. They should at least focas their aggression against Racist people like you in stead of killing their own.

 

[The Animal]

I never said Detroit was a town of luxury but the part I live is where all rich white families live. You like to degragate blacks on the the board like a coward, refer to them as uneducated...You're a racist. I would like to thank you for supplying me with the entertainment. I get so bored at work sometimes. Since you want to do some research about this town, look up Palmer Woods in Detroit. In reality, when I'm banging the white girl of your dreams or the black girl you couldn't get because your probably too self concious you might come up a little short, you are going rounds with little willie or working on your 6000th post. Don't get me wrong, the majority of the town is a real shithole..... I guess the parts where my friends live. Black on black is a problem around here. They should at least focas their aggression against Racist people like you that hate them instead of killing their own.

 

[Grizzly]

You like to degragate blacks on the a the board like a coward, refer to them uneducated.

Actually, I called YOU uneducated. Not black people. So, unless you are all black people rolled into one, then I said nothing about blacks being uneducated.