HCG as my test base

[baked_cake]

Yeah I tried it. Here are my results.

Superdrol - 10mg once daily
HCG - 150 units daily (Kimera Chems)
mk-667 - 15mg once daily
telmisartan - 40mg once daily

I did do some TUDCA but don't remember the dose. Last time I did a cycle like this my liver enzymes didnt even budge.

The first week or two was constant gains, then the 3rd week I started to slow down, 4th week was a stall. So I got my blood work.

Day 30 - Total testosterone was 20.

I made 2 changes

doubled HCG to 300 units daily
5mg dbol twice daily
doubled telmisartan to 80mg daily

More gains.

I am now done with my cycle, so I got my blood work.

Day 50 - Total testosterone was 110.

Is this a typical result for how much HCG I was dosing? I'm not sure Ive seen a post of anyone doing this. The HCG clearly wasnt fake, but underdosed? I know Dbol acts well as androgen replacement but wont affect testosterone levels on a standard blood test.

Clearly HCG at this dosing is not restoring my nuts to full functionality, I would need to dose much higher it seems. For reference my baseline testosterone is about 550-600, so if responce is linear to dosing, I would need 5x more HCG at about 1500 units daily to have full androgen replacement?

The atvantage I think to taking this path with HCG is to have a full pair of working testicles when it's time to PCT. But if its barely working, is there much point? Maybe its better to use Testosterone, and then in the final week before PCT blast the HCG at a very high dose. but I feel like its better to keep them going than it is to bring them back from the dead.

I am now out of Superdrol, I really love the stuff, but I probably won't be buying more.

Anyways, here are my results for the stuff I tracked.

Deadlift went from 280 x 3 reps to 335 x 3 reps

Dips from 9 reps at 183lb body weight to 7 reps at 210lb bodyweight plus a 25lb weight on my dip belt

My leg press machine has been maxed out at 400lb, but my reps went from 6 to 15.

Chest press also maxed out at ???lb, but reps went up.

Wish I had a bench for bench press, but I don't even have a spotter.

Pull ups - reps stayed the same but im doing more sets with variation on overhand and neutral grip, plus my bodyweight going up.

Body weight from 183 to 210, expecting a 10-15lb loss from water.

I had visible abs, right now they are less visible.

Feel free to laugh at my face for not using test as a test base.

 

[baked_cake]

After looking at my numbers, HCG dosing probably isnt linear.

going from 150 to 300 units was a 2x in dosing.

but my levels went from 20 to 110, about a 5x increase.

I may try this again in the summer.

 

[JG91]

It’s cool to see people experiment. HCG as a test base + oral steroids has become popular with kids that are scared to pin. So it’s good someone tried it and did blood work. But I think members on this forum already knew better.

For all of that reinventing the wheel you could have more sustainable gains with test and way less organ risk.

When you do decide to run a proper cycle I hope you make a comparison post on how you feel on test vs 3 orals and hcg.

 

[DugPrime]

HCG as a test base + oral steroids has become popular with kids that are scared to pin.

How? HCG is an injectable.

 

[JG91]

How? HCG is an injectable.

I mean more scared to pin test. Pinning subcutaneous peptides seems to get a pass. Look at all the gh secretagogues.

 

[Nidus]

I mean more scared to pin test. Pinning subcutaneous peptides seems to get a pass. Look at all the gh secretagogues.

Could also pin daily small subq doses as trt

 

[AlexDavis43]

Pinning hCG or test for TRT has different outcomes. hCG boosts testosterone while also preserving fertility. Younger guys vs older guys. Everyone is pinning either way.