HCG Only Protocol and Secondary Hypogonadism

[Soochers88]

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[HeadDoc]

Really? I was hoping that they did work? Some of the guys that posted earlier in this forum indicated that they had benefits from it...if you do an internet search you will find a lot of testimonials.

Anyway I am a 23 yr old male with all of the symptoms of low T, I suspect that I have secondary hypogonadsim brought on by excessive levels of cortisol (due to excessive sexual activity). Do you guys think HCG will benefit me? My Total T level hovers around 400 (range is 300-1200) and my free T hovers around 12 (range is 9-26). I have had my cortisol tested and it is above the normal range by a few points.

I believe that my pituitary has been suppressed by excessive sexual activity, and HCG seems like the logical step to get my pituitary back to functioning normally. What do you guys think?

You risk a suppressive effect from the hcg. It would be more direct to curtail some of your sexual behavior to test your own hypothesis.

 

[Soochers88]

You risk a suppressive effect from the hcg. It would be more direct to curtail some of your sexual behavior to test your own hypothesis.

I have been abstinent for over a year and I have seen no benefits.

 

[HeadDoc]

I have been abstinent for over a year and I have seen no benefits.

so if the hormones are in check, then it would still point to a look at lifestyle. Are you getting any help in how to re-integrate your sexuality with relationships? I am assuming that your former practices were hypersexual and hence eventually stressful.

 

[Soochers88]

so if the hormones are in check, then it would still point to a look at lifestyle. Are you getting any help in how to re-integrate your sexuality with relationships? I am assuming that your former practices were hypersexual and hence eventually stressful.

The problem is that my hormones aren't in check. My Total Testosterone hovers at around 400 ng/dl where the range is 300-1200 ng/dl. My Free Testosterone hovers around 12 ng/dl where the range is 9-26. For a 23 year old male these numbers are very low and are borderline "low" according to my endo. Also my DHT was flagged as low in a blood test, I really believe that low T is the culprit.

 

[Soochers88]

Anyone with HCG therapy experience...how long did it take for you too see noticeable changes? I just started on 250 IU three times per week, subcutaneous shots. I am just wondering when I will start to notice results?

Thanks,

Chris

 

[James23]

I have been abstinent for over a year and I have seen no benefits.

hCG won't help your pituitary. It'll just leave it off the look from producing LH. That is not a good idea.

Your testosterone isn't very low.

 

[davesavvy]

I believe that my pituitary has been suppressed by excessive sexual activity, and HCG seems like the logical step to get my pituitary back to functioning normally. What do you guys think?

Have you ever been on Accutane or Propecia? I'm no expert but I highly doubt high sexual activity could mess your hpt axis up.

 

[Jq88]

"The best use of HCG in TRT, IMPO, is adjunctive to either test cyp or test transdermal--used to stabilize serum androgen levels, stave off testicular atrophy (the best it can), stimulate the P450scc enzyme, and lend the increased sense of well-being and libido HCG is so well known for. I know that the establishment (if there is one in this new field) largely disagrees with me on this, but let them prove me wrong, both in the science, and the excellent results I achieve in my patients withmy protocols."

YES BUT THEN HOW CAN WE FIGHT OFF E2 WITHOUT USING ARIMIDEX.

HCG AND TCYP TOGETHER WILL ALWAYS LEAD TO ELEVATED ESTROGEN.

ARIMIDEX CAN CAUSE OTHER ISSUES. IT IS NOT A GOOD DRUG FOR MEN.

T + HCG must include AI...

 

[Jq88]

You are entirely welcome.

It loks as though your protocol is where you need it to be. I would go to daily doses of HCG, at the same total weekly dosage, though. I would also make sure to drop your E into midrange.

It doesn't look as though you had very far to go with respect to your T range when you started.

True enough, sneaking in a little HCG every third day while on a transdermal will cause fluctuations in serum andorgen levels. I have experimented with a protocol where the patient uses a transdermal for two days, then HCG the third day (no T gel then), as well as variations of this basic theme. I'm just not sure yet how best to work it.

The protocol I mentioned has small doses of T gel every day, along with small doses of HCG QD. That is a different regimen entirely. Some guys just do not want to inject every day, even SC.

I will inject everyday sc.

I will do whatever it takes.

What specific doses would you recommend for tcyp and HCG daily???

Is an AI included? Should it be needed?

10mg tcyp and 100iu daily?

Does that sound right?

Should an AI be needed on those doses?