help me build my third cycle please

[Ninjarello1]

day 26....lovingggg the wayyy, start feeling stronger, thinking about increase 200kcal from monday or wait another 2/3 weeks when i ll jump on nSuns program

 

[Ninjarello1]

WEEK 5:
-BW 83.5KG
-4150kcal (4500 day on/3700day off)

 

[Ninjarello1]

my blood pressure was slowly going up day by day during last week 125-130-135 when i ve seen 140 i ve decided to take 12.5 aromasin 2 days ago (i haven't done bloods but during my first cycle with 400mg test bloods show e2 120pg/ml and with only 12.5 aromasin 2x week my e2 went to 22pg ml too mush low so this time i ll use less aromasin while using more testosterone), i ll take aromasin 12.5mg every 5/7 days an today i received telmisartan and i ll go for 40mg daily telmisartan, today my blood pressure is already going a little down and from this morning i ve done 3 measurements always between 125-128 i want arrive under 120 in a week... obviously ...another 2 weeks and i ll go to check e2 in order to see if my protocol whit aromasin is ok..

 

[Ninjarello1]

WEEK 6:
-BW 85.0KG
-4200 KCAL (4600 day on/3700 day off)
-COMPOUNDS: 525mg test/ 15mg mk-677
-ANCILLIARIES: 12.5 aromasin every 5/7 days + 40mg telmisartan daily

 

[Ninjarello1]

day 37...i can see putting on ton of water weight but i need to continue to eat untile the end of the cycle or the risk is to take two steps forward and then two steps back, it would not make sense...to prevent the mind from playing a bad role, I decided that for this cycle my goals are all for strenght so that if I see myself looking full and fogged up I feel good about myself because I will do incredible PR

 

[Ninjarello1]

WEEK 7
-BW 84.8KG
-KCAL 4200 ( 4600 DAY ON / 3700 DAY OFF)
-DELOAD WEEK
-COMPOUNDS: 525 TEST/ 15MG MK 677
-40MG TELMISARTAN DAILY + 12.5 AROMASIN E5D

 

[Ninjarello1]

i m feeling good but i can see my e2 still pretty high i think i ll go from 12.5 aromasin e5d to 12.5 aromasin 2x week and i ll repeat bloods after 3 weeks

 

[Daddymcd]

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i m feeling good but i can see my e2 still pretty high i think i ll go from 12.5 aromasin e5d to 12.5 aromasin 2x week and i ll repeat bloods after 3 weeks

I’d drop the mk, you’re getting a lot of fluid retention by the looks of it.

 

[Ninjarello1]

I’d drop the mk, you’re getting a lot of fluid retention by the looks of it.

it's exactly what i ve decided to do, i ll drop mk and i ll do aromasin 12.5mg 2x week.... when my bp will drop i ll raise my test from 525 to 600mg weekly... i ll keep my mk 677 for the bridge when i ll end my cycle

 

[Daddymcd]

it's exactly what i ve decided to do, i ll drop mk and i ll do aromasin 12.5mg 2x week.... when my bp will drop i ll raise my test from 525 to 600mg weekly... i ll keep my mk 677 for the bridge when i ll end my cycle

Nice. Just test? You play with deca or Npp at all?
I can only do mk677 once a week now, I used to daily but too much water retention and it fucks up my insulin sensitivity now when I stay on it longer than a week.
I have about your same exact build and definition, currently running test, deca, Proviron, and dbol.

 

[Ninjarello1]

Nice. Just test? You play with deca or Npp at all?
I can only do mk677 once a week now, I used to daily but too much water retention and it fucks up my insulin sensitivity now when I stay on it longer than a week.
I have about your same exact build and definition, currently running test, deca, Proviron, and dbol.

yes I lik just test so I can keep as many cards in the deck as possible to use when things are more difficult, as long as things work with just test I will only use that, the only thing in the next cycle I think instead of increasing the test I will go to add some primobolan to try to avoid the use of an A.I, if this cycle fulfills the set objectives I think the next will be 400 tests 300 primobolan ... do you need an A.I with those compounds?

 

[Ninjarello1]

WEEK 8
-BW 84.5KG
-4500KCAL (5000 day on / 3880 day off)
PROGRAM: nSuns 4 or 5 days
-COMPOUNDS : 600MG TEST
-ANCILLIARIES: 40mg telmisartan daily + 12.5 aromasin 2x week

My blood pressure is still going really good... first reading is always 120/130-60...second reading after 1 minute is always something between 115/120-60, so i think i can go to 600mg test.

 

[Jin23]

yes I lik just test so I can keep as many cards in the deck as possible to use when things are more difficult, as long as things work with just test I will only use that, the only thing in the next cycle I think instead of increasing the test I will go to add some primobolan to try to avoid the use of an A.I, if this cycle fulfills the set objectives I think the next will be 400 tests 300 primobolan ... do you need an A.I with those compounds?

It's refreshing to see a moderate approach to cycling. It isn't necessary at all to up the dosages. If something works, then you can just keep using it, until progress comes down to a halt. Then you can up the total androgen load in what ever way suits you best.

However, you aren't gaining all that much tbh. I realize that you're going for strength on this cycle, but once you get off, strength will go down, due to less androgens stimulating the cns. So most of the strength gained will be corelated to increases in muscle tissue and if those will be minimal, you haven't done much. Idk, what are your thoughts on this?

Regarding bloods, you are in a perfect place to get gyno with elevated estrogen and prolactin. Also, Mk is such dirty drug that it shouldn't really exist imo. If you want more GH and igf1 use either CJC1295 or GH.

 

[Ninjarello1]

It's refreshing to see a moderate approach to cycling. It isn't necessary at all to up the dosages. If something works, then you can just keep using it, until progress comes down to a halt. Then you can up the total androgen load in what ever way suits you best.

However, you aren't gaining all that much tbh. I realize that you're going for strength on this cycle, but once you get off, strength will go down, due to less androgens stimulating the cns. So most of the strength gained will be corelated to increases in muscle tissue and if those will be minimal, you haven't done much. Idk, what are your thoughts on this?

Regarding bloods, you are in a perfect place to get gyno with elevated estrogen and prolactin. Also, Mk is such dirty drug that it shouldn't really exist imo. If you want more GH and igf1 use either CJC1295 or GH.

I will try to answer all your post comprehensively, for the first comment I consider it a compliment so thanks

the second comment, I can say that people around the last few weeks are noticing a lot of my change in reality even if it is not something I rely on much as often people in this world are rightfully ignorant (in a good way) and simply they see an enlarged neck or a swollen face and think you are getting bigger when in reality it is simply water and swelling, to answer instead in my personal opinion certainly a workout that focuses more on strength could produce less results than a workout that aims at hypertrophy, however, fun along the way is also important and at this moment I really want to reach important strenght level (important for me ), however I decided to divide the cycle into 2 parts, the first is precisely the phase in which I am right now trying to gain as much strength as possible and it will last as long as I can move forward through a linear progression when this it will interrupt and switch to a more hypertrophic program (PHAT) taking advantage of the good strength gains obtained, according to my calculations hoping they are right I will do another 6/8 weeks of nSuns and then I will switch to PHAT for a period more dedicated to hypertrophy.

For the last part of your post I decided to remove the mk but I will not replace it with other expensive hormones, I have always thought that expensive molecules like HGH are for real professionals or people who have already achieved very high bodyweights and really need of an extra push because continuing to force on the androgenic side is no longer enough, and i think i m really far from this.

Last but most important of all, I don't know why but usually my prolactin is always around 20 which is not very high but still above the range, I don't know if this is simply due to some pre-withdrawal anxiety or there is something below, for e2 i went from 12.5 aromasin e5d to 12.5 aromasin 2x week, it's a small jump but last year on 400mg testosterone 12.5 aromasin 2x week they sent my e2 at 22pg / ml which i consider a bit low , in 3 weeks I will do new analyzes to see the situation with 12.5 aromasin 2x week and decide how to act, the nipples do not show any discomfort at the moment and also my mood is wonderful in any case I have nolvadex on hand for any problem could come.

 

[Jin23]

I will try to answer all your post comprehensively, for the first comment I consider it a compliment so thanks

the second comment, I can say that people around the last few weeks are noticing a lot of my change in reality even if it is not something I rely on much as often people in this world are rightfully ignorant (in a good way) and simply they see an enlarged neck or a swollen face and think you are getting bigger when in reality it is simply water and swelling, to answer instead in my personal opinion certainly a workout that focuses more on strength could produce less results than a workout that aims at hypertrophy, however, fun along the way is also important and at this moment I really want to reach important strenght level (important for me ), however I decided to divide the cycle into 2 parts, the first is precisely the phase in which I am right now trying to gain as much strength as possible and it will last as long as I can move forward through a linear progression when this it will interrupt and switch to a more hypertrophic program (PHAT) taking advantage of the good strength gains obtained, according to my calculations hoping they are right I will do another 6/8 weeks of nSuns and then I will switch to PHAT for a period more dedicated to hypertrophy.

For the last part of your post I decided to remove the mk but I will not replace it with other expensive hormones, I have always thought that expensive molecules like HGH are for real professionals or people who have already achieved very high bodyweights and really need of an extra push because continuing to force on the androgenic side is no longer enough, and i think i m really far from this.

Last but most important of all, I don't know why but usually my prolactin is always around 20 which is not very high but still above the range, I don't know if this is simply due to some pre-withdrawal anxiety or there is something below, for e2 i went from 12.5 aromasin e5d to 12.5 aromasin 2x week, it's a small jump but last year on 400mg testosterone 12.5 aromasin 2x week they sent my e2 at 22pg / ml which i consider a bit low , in 3 weeks I will do new analyzes to see the situation with 12.5 aromasin 2x week and decide how to act, the nipples do not show any discomfort at the moment and also my mood is wonderful in any case I have nolvadex on hand for any problem could come.

It was a compliment. Usually people tend to add compounds and dosages solely because it's their second or third cycle. Granted, it's also fun to experience new compounds, but the dosage increase, that's not necessary. I however, don't like high test, it's too androgenic, and prefer to keep it low and add something that will make me feel less like I'm on cycle. The other thing is also body weight. If you are still light weight, chances are you don't need a lot of gear unless you respond really poorly to androgens and need larger dosages.

It's not such a bad idea to add GH, honestly, it will lower the amount of AAS you need by a huge margin. It does depend on how old you are though. Under 25yo I'd say no to GH, above 25 I'd let IGF1 bloods determine if GH is warranted or not. Believe me, at the age where I'm at, where my baseline IGF1 is 100, adding 2.5 units of GH makes a world of a difference in regards to regeneration and energy levels, that androgens just can't match. And the sides at such a dose are really low and mostly resolve around insulin sensitivity, which can be taken care off. So, tldr, you can use 4iu's of GH with 400mg's of test and have a substantially better cycle with seemingly little side effects. * also, GH is not that expensive any more. It's around the 1 €/IU price ...

Regarding the strength cycle followed by hypertrophy ... You're kinda going at it backwards. A hypertrophy mesocycle should be first, followed by a CNS optimization cycle; putting the new muscle to work. It's fine if you want to do it this way, if fun is the main goal, but it's far from optimal. And IMO, strength cycles are a bit pointless on aas, unless you're ON all the time. If you ask me, it makes more sense to gain as much muscle as possible on cycle and then train for strength when off cycle. As again, a lot of the gained strength will be due to added androgen signaling from high androgens, which will go away once off the cycle. Preparing for a comp and goin to comp while on aas, is the only reason that makes sense to me, to train for strength while on cycle.

Yeah, if you want exact prolactin values you should pull bloods multiple times. Let them insert a canula in your arm and pull blood 3 times in the time span of 30 - 45m. But if prolactin is at 40, I think it's safe to say that it's elevated ...

 

[Ninjarello1]

It was a compliment. Usually people tend to add compounds and dosages solely because it's their second or third cycle. Granted, it's also fun to experience new compounds, but the dosage increase, that's not necessary. I however, don't like high test, it's too androgenic, and prefer to keep it low and add something that will make me feel less like I'm on cycle. The other thing is also body weight. If you are still light weight, chances are you don't need a lot of gear unless you respond really poorly to androgens and need larger dosages.

It's not such a bad idea to add GH, honestly, it will lower the amount of AAS you need by a huge margin. It does depend on how old you are though. Under 25yo I'd say no to GH, above 25 I'd let IGF1 bloods determine if GH is warranted or not. Believe me, at the age where I'm at, where my baseline IGF1 is 100, adding 2.5 units of GH makes a world of a difference in regards to regeneration and energy levels, that androgens just can't match. And the sides at such a dose are really low and mostly resolve around insulin sensitivity, which can be taken care off. So, tldr, you can use 4iu's of GH with 400mg's of test and have a substantially better cycle with seemingly little side effects. * also, GH is not that expensive any more. It's around the 1 €/IU price ...

Regarding the strength cycle followed by hypertrophy ... You're kinda going at it backwards. A hypertrophy mesocycle should be first, followed by a CNS optimization cycle; putting the new muscle to work. It's fine if you want to do it this way, if fun is the main goal, but it's far from optimal. And IMO, strength cycles are a bit pointless on aas, unless you're ON all the time. If you ask me, it makes more sense to gain as much muscle as possible on cycle and then train for strength when off cycle. As again, a lot of the gained strength will be due to added androgen signaling from high androgens, which will go away once off the cycle. Preparing for a comp and goin to comp while on aas, is the only reason that makes sense to me, to train for strength while on cycle.

Yeah, if you want exact prolactin values you should pull bloods multiple times. Let them insert a canula in your arm and pull blood 3 times in the time span of 30 - 45m. But if prolactin is at 40, I think it's safe to say that it's elevated ...

understood everything you said, I am 24 years old to be precise, next year I could try first hypertrophy phase then strength phase with the new muscles gained, while for prolactin I think you looked bad my bloods is only at 21(4-15) not 40, only 5 points over the upper range, had it been 40 I would have already gone for a more in-depth check

 

[Wunderpus]

MK is not a SARM or AAS, but a growth hormone secretagogue. Basically, it's going to cause your body to create more HGH and IGF-1. The big concern with MK is the change to insulin sensitivity from the constant state of elevated blood sugar. You'll need to use berberine or metformin while you take it, no question.

Further, in my experience, it isn't all that effective for fibrillar hypertrophy, which is essentially what we're all after. Granted, you'll end up gaining a ton of "water weight" in the form of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. Basically, the muscles will swell and fill with fluid, and expand quite substantially. In the first 2-3 weeks, you'll probably gain 15 lbs from this process alone. Make no mistake, it looks just like "real" muscle, because muscular sarcoplasm is still muscle, it just isn't muscle that will actually last once you cycle off.

I've never had an issue with blood pressure, basically no matter what I do, but MK caused my BP to rise and my heart rate to increase, after 4-5 weeks. And once I cycled off, I lost all the "muscle" I had built on the MK.

I definitely think MK has its place, like a nice addition during PCT. In fact, some guys claim to keep quite a bit of the hypertrophy from it, but that definitely wasn't my experience.

Test, primo, and anavar are going to be the best compounds you've listed. I'd personally just go with option one, get rid of the MK, and add some anavar as you outlined in option 2.

20 week cycle length? Are you truly cycling, going through PCT, etc? Or are you blasting and cruising? Why is the cycle/blast 20 weeks long? That's a substantial length. Are you just basing this on the idea that your blood work should be fine for 20 weeks straight?

The only notable effect I had from MK-677 was EXTREME hunger pains and overall discomfort stemming from the extreme hunger. The hunger stimulating effects were somewhat comparable to GHRP-6, yet less predictable in terms of the onset time. I cannot comment on whether or not it was effective in the way/s in which the OP is interested. Either way, I would personally avoid it.

 

[Ninjarello1]

The only notable effect I had from MK-677 was EXTREME hunger pains and overall discomfort stemming from the extreme hunger. The hunger stimulating effects were somewhat comparable to GHRP-6, yet less predictable in terms of the onset time. I cannot comment on whether or not it was effective in the way/s in which the OP is interested. Either way, I would personally avoid it.

I wonted a Better recovery thanks to improve sleep so indirectly Better performance and a joint protection for High volume wo

 

[Jin23]

I wonted a Better recovery thanks to improve sleep so indirectly Better performance and a joint protection for High volume wo

Fyi, GHRH is what you want for sleep not GHRP. GHRH is what promotes deep sleep, while GHRP's promote Nrem2 sleep. CJC1295 or Mod Grf 1 - 29 is what you want. CJC being more preferable because it has a long half life.

 

[Daddymcd]

Fyi, GHRH is what you want for sleep not GHRP. GHRH is what promotes deep sleep, while GHRP's promote Nrem2 sleep. CJC1295 or Mod Grf 1 - 29 is what you want. CJC being more preferable because it has a long half life.

Hey. What are your thoughts on ghrp-6 vs. mk677 for the sole benefit of increased hunger? Have you tried both to compare?