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achilles87 said:
She's only 130 if she cuts she will just be skinny again. She will drop down to 120 115.

If this was a guy posting pictures he would get bashed and we all know it. I'm just being honest with the guy so he can help his girl. 2 cycles gh and 2 years of lifting I don't see it.


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She actually only been on GH once. Working up from .5 iu To 1.3 iu should really only be helping with fat loss and she's just getting to the three month mark now which is when she should really start noticing it.

I honestly am at the point I think she's almost too muscular, but that's just my opinion and I know she will look a lot smaller when lean.
 
And she's actually 146 in this photo but it's the morning after a maintenance day for her calories so could be 147.

Sorry 130 was for lean body mass according to seven site calipers. Which I do think gave way to low of a body fat, but it's what we have stuck to for measuring.
 
Gigem46 said:
She actually only been on GH once. Working up from .5 iu To 1.3 iu should really only be helping with fat loss and she's just getting to the three month mark now which is when she should really start noticing it.

I honestly am at the point I think she's almost too muscular, but that's just my opinion and I know she will look a lot smaller when lean.
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And those are small doses of GH . Shes obviously a good responder....
 
Gigem46 said:
And she's actually 146 in this photo but it's the morning after a maintenance day for her calories so could be 147.

Sorry 130 was for lean body mass according to seven site calipers. Which I do think gave way to low of a body fat, but it's what we have stuck to for measuring.
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I was going to say , she looks bigger than 130lbs...
 
Oh and I'm not saying she looks like shit. Just saying her training should change before she goes to t3.


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Screen Shot 2016-12-04 at 10.35.38 AM.png Here is all the measurements I've taken this year. She started Her first cycle on 2/16 which lasted 10 weeks. Cut some weight after that. Started again on 8/16 for 8 weeks. Both cycles were 10mg a day the whole way. Again, I realize these body fat % are really low but calipers are the easiest thing for us to use regularly. These are more for watching trends than complete accuracy.
 
Anyone know if she does decide to run t3 at some point is hgh enough to help prevent muscle loss or would something like anavar be much better?
 
Sorry, I don't hang out with you guys on weekends...

OK so here are my thoughts, in a way, I agree with Achilles. Running GH and 2 var cycles, her progress should be much further along with the 18 weeks combined and training hard with diet 100%.

For starters, how old is she and how tall? And she's currently 146lbs? Just by looking at the pics without having any measurements as those above don't seem to make sense to me as some seem odd. She's probably around the 22-24% mark (which isn't bad).

Also her diet you said it's 1300 cals... which looks like a 1000 deficit from what you say is her maintenance. Well this is a big issue. I bet her diet isn't as clean as it should be with that big of a defecit. I would recalculate her numbers for sure. And someone her size, my guess without doing any numbers should be closer to 1700. Also what are her macros? And what food choices does she make and when?

Now training, I definitely agree with someone saying that PL training isn't going to get her to her goals. She needs a variety of low reps/high weight and high reps/lower reps training and cardio is very important. HITT is definitely most efficient for women.

let's start with these questions before we add any supplementation...
 
OH and for those who think that if she reduces weight and loses fat she will be back to a skinny girl? You're absolutely wrong because if she does things right and incorporates var or any other supplements, she will stay or increase a little on the scale but look much smaller and tighter. Her body composition will change completely as she is currently bottom heavy.
 
GearGodess said:
Sorry, I don't hang out with you guys on weekends...

OK so here are my thoughts, in a way, I agree with Achilles. Running GH and 2 var cycles, her progress should be much further along with the 18 weeks combined and training hard with diet 100%.

For starters, how old is she and how tall? And she's currently 146lbs? Just by looking at the pics without having any measurements as those above don't seem to make sense to me as some seem odd. She's probably around the 22-24% mark (which isn't bad).

Also her diet you said it's 1300 cals... which looks like a 1000 deficit from what you say is her maintenance. Well this is a big issue. I bet her diet isn't as clean as it should be with that big of a defecit. I would recalculate her numbers for sure. And someone her size, my guess without doing any numbers should be closer to 1700. Also what are her macros? And what food choices does she make and when?

Now training, I definitely agree with someone saying that PL training isn't going to get her to her goals. She needs a variety of low reps/high weight and high reps/lower reps training and cardio is very important. HITT is definitely most efficient for women.

let's start with these questions before we add any supplementation...
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Thanks for your help.

She's 26 and 5'6.5". I agree the body fat is much higher than I've calculated. I'm not sure why its coming in so off. I've studied how to measure quite a bit and used multiple calculators which all come in the same. Thanks for you BF estimation that is helpful because I'm not real experienced with women BF%

Diet: She eats this every day measured except Fri/Sat

1egg three egg whites with 1 scoop of protein and light almond milk

45 cal whole grain bread with 4 oz turkey breast and 45 calorie cheese with mustard sandwich with 1/2 cup of low fat cottage cheese

Chicken breast with steamed broccoli or on a bed of spinach (sometimes with 2tbsp of light vinagareitte dressing.

Protein waffle (Kodiak Cakes) with 33g Peanut Butter and 1 scoop protein with light almond Milk (she has to eat 350 calories around bed time for medication she takes)

1300 calories 168 protein/68 Carbs/44 Fat

On friday and saturday she's eats 2200-2300 calories. No huge cheat meals just going up closer to maintenance. We go out to eat and she may have a small amount of ice cream. Everything weighed to make sure she's not over eating. So she is eating more than 1300 per day over the course of a week.
 
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She trains throughout the 5-20 rep range. She has only actually maxed squat one time which was at the end of her last var cycle. If she is training in the 5 rep range we always equate volume so that she is doing enough reps for growth. Even then we usually train squat/deadlift/hip thrust in that rep range to increase strength so that she can do higher weight in the 8-12 range. I hope that makes sense. She may do squats for 5x5 reps but then the rest of her training that day will be 8-12 reps and some up to 20 reps.

The HITT is something she is just really starting to be consistent with. I think it will be a huge help. She has some breathing problems and when she took albuterol in the past it really helped.

Again, Thank you for your help. I've tried to learn as much as I can reading your posts etc. but wanted to get some personal advice this time.
 
Gigem46 said:
Thanks for your help.

She's 26 and 5'6.5". I agree the body fat is much higher than I've calculated. I'm not sure why its coming in so off. I've studied how to measure quite a bit and used multiple calculators which all come in the same. Thanks for you BF estimation that is helpful because I'm not real experienced with women BF%

Diet: She eats this every day measured except Fri/Sat

1egg three egg whites with 1 scoop of protein and light almond milk

45 cal whole grain bread with 4 oz turkey breast and 45 calorie cheese with mustard sandwich with 1/2 cup of low fat cottage cheese

Chicken breast with steamed broccoli or on a bed of spinach (sometimes with 2tbsp of light vinagareitte dressing.

Protein waffle (Kodiak Cakes) with 33g Peanut Butter and 1 scoop protein with light almond Milk (she has to eat 350 calories around bed time for medication she takes)

1300 calories 168 protein/68 Carbs/44 Fat

On friday and saturday she's eats 2200-2300 calories. No huge cheat meals just going up closer to maintenance. We go out to eat and she may have a small amount of ice cream. Everything weighed to make sure she's not over eating. So she is eating more than 1300 per day over the course of a week.
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OK... so with those stats, just quick numbers... to pretty much keep her body functioning normally and not including her exercise, she needs 1,593 cals... as you can see, she isn't consuming enough and probably stalled her progress and the main reason she isn't seeing changes. For someone who works out roughly 3-5 times a week, just to maintain the weight is 2,469 which she is well over 1,100 cals short!! She's in starvation mode for sure and no drug will help her at this point.

What she needs to do is increase her calories to 1,969 which is still 500 under her maintenance and will put her in a deficit. Even if she wants to start at 1,769 and work her way up to it. 1,300 cals isn't doing her any good.

Also, what I would do is change her set up and this seems to work for a lot of people including myself, at least until you can get her on the right track. Have her calories broken down to 40% protein/40% fats/20% carbs for at least the next 8 weeks and keeping it consistent even through weekends. (if you need help with the exact numbers, let me know) Get her to download My Fitness Pal and track her food and ensure she meets the numbers daily. Also, her water intake should be at least a gallon of water.

As for training.... let me read your other response then I will add...
 
Gigem46 said:
She trains throughout the 5-20 rep range. She has only actually maxed squat one time which was at the end of her last var cycle. If she is training in the 5 rep range we always equate volume so that she is doing enough reps for growth. Even then we usually train squat/deadlift/hip thrust in that rep range to increase strength so that she can do higher weight in the 8-12 range. I hope that makes sense. She may do squats for 5x5 reps but then the rest of her training that day will be 8-12 reps and some up to 20 reps.

The HITT is something she is just really starting to be consistent with. I think it will be a huge help. She has some breathing problems and when she took albuterol in the past it really helped.

Again, Thank you for your help. I've tried to learn as much as I can reading your posts etc. but wanted to get some personal advice this time.
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Definitely get her to continue with the HIIT. she will get results with it and keep it consistant. Once her food is adjusted, she can easily incorporate 3-4 HIIT sessions a week. I also recommend fasted cardio at a lower intensity if she doesn't want to do hiit first thing in the morning. Do this at least 5 times a week for 20-30 minutes.

Her actual training, keep the high and low reps. Focus on form instead of trying to pull or push as much weight as possible. The strength will come and less chances of getting injured.

As for supplements, for the next 8-12 weeks I would focus on DIET, TRAINING AND CARDIO only. Come back and check in then maybe we can talk about incorporating an ECA stack to the mix. But first things first. I wouldn't touch another supplement just yet.

Does that make sense?
 
Everything makes perfect sense. The starvation mode aspect is exactly what I explained to her when she started to train more seriously and ask for advice. I don't think she has eaten over 2,000 cals regularly for many years. I think showing her that I'm not the only one saying it will go a long way in getting her to comply and eat more to get out of the hole she is in metabolically.

She is really good at logging on my fitness pal so that will be no problem. Thanks for your help. I really appreciate all your contributions here.
 
Could be to much insulin in the blood inhibiting those last layers of fat to come off , too much cardio can cause too much stress and cortisol which burns muscle and stores fat , fat burning is a hormonal issue get those in line and you will be successful , no steroid or drug can replace proper training and clean diet , a person can get shredded without gear on a keto style diet and restore blood insulin sensitivity in weeks , people that also stress and worry about nothing all the time and do not sleep well are prone to keeping on fat , not sure if this help's you but this was my experience
 
Munky said:
Could be to much insulin in the blood inhibiting those last layers of fat to come off , too much cardio can cause too much stress and cortisol which burns muscle and stores fat , fat burning is a hormonal issue get those in line and you will be successful , no steroid or drug can replace proper training and clean diet , a person can get shredded without gear on a keto style diet and restore blood insulin sensitivity in weeks , people that also stress and worry about nothing all the time and do not sleep well are prone to keeping on fat , not sure if this help's you but this was my experience
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Thanks. She is a very high stress person at times and I try to remind her that it can have an impact on fat loss. She has stuck to her diet around 7-8 weeks now and is leaning out very well. I think her main issue is just staying very strict and not cheating on her diet. She has somewhat "confessed" that even when she's been "dieting" in the past she wasn't counting everything. She's going to see how lean she can get natural for 4-5 more weeks, then take a diet break and decide to get leaner or add muscle,
 
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