Help- when do I take my anti-e?

jockulike

New Member
I am an intermediate AS user, and have taken 6 months off from juice and have stuck to injectables only.

Now on my fifth cycle, I am introducting oral dianabol for first 6 weeks, with sust and winny. Got HCG and Clenbuterol to help combat any losses at the end but I know I need Nolvadex and/ or Proviron too somewhere.

Question is, do I take my ani-estrogens while I am on the dianabol to prevent water retention and aromatization, or do I just take it when I start my HCG at the end? Since this is my first oral steroid, I am a little cautious about sides as Dianabol is so potent.

Please help me out bros! I would really appreciate it!

J, London.
 
i would keep the nolva on hand in case you start getting sore nips and such. or, if you chose, you can take it at a low dose, say 10mg ed, for the whole cycle just to be on the safe side. taking it this way will help combat the bloat caused by the aas, especially the dbol.

it's a good plan to use hcg to keep those balls pumping and keep your gains post-cycle. the reason guys lose their gains is because it takes so fucking long for your natural test levels to come back up after a cycle. hcg will remedy this. it's a widely misunderstood topic so i'll tell you what i've learned from personal experience and talking with some other bros.

first of all i like to use it subq as im hurts like a mofo. use a 28g or 29g slin pin and shoot just to the side of your belly button. just pinch a bit of skin and put the pin in and shoot.

when you got the hcg, you should have gotten bacteriostatic water with it. you get the powder in one amp and 1cc of bac water in another amp. i think that 1cc of bac water is not good in that to get a 500iu dose you would need to shoot 1/10th of a cc and that's tough to measure out accurately. here's what i recommend. go to the getpinz.com website and order 1 sterile, sealed 10cc vial and 1 vial of bac water. mix the hcg powder in the amp it's in already with the 1cc of bac water that you got in the hcg kit. then pull that mixture out with a 3cc 1" pin and inject it into the sterile vial you bought. then inject 1 more cc of bac water into the hcg vial you just emptied just to get any remaining hcg you may have missed, swirl it gently (do not shake) redraw it with the needle and inject it into the 10cc vial. now you will have 2cc in the vial. now just add 3 more cc's into the vial for a total of 5cc's. since the hcg is 5000iu strength and you diluted it with 5cc's of bac water, your concentration is now 1000iu's/cc. cool.

now for the use part. some will disagree, but i think hcg is best used during a cycle and not for pct. swale confirms this and he's an endocrinologist. anyway if your cycle is 10 weeks long, use hcg at 500iu ed (that's 1/2 cc) for 10 days starting on week 4 and another 500iu ed for 10 days starting on week 8. if you do a longer cycle like 12-14 weeks, use it on weeks 4, 8 and 11. 10 days at 500iu ed is good and you will notice your balls drop and start to fill out nicely in this time frame. since your test levels will be boosted by the hcg, definitely take some nolva during this time. 20mg ed would do the trick.

remember, regardless how long your cycle will be, just try to time it so you're done using the hcg about a week or so before the cycle is over. what this will accomplish is to get your nuts up and running without further suppressing you (because hcg is suppressive if natural lh since it mimicks its action and your body will not produce it since it thinks it already has enough) at the conclusion of your cycle. then continue with your pct using clomid, nolva and phosphatidylserine as you normally would.

hcg is a very mystified drug but it doesn't have to be. the above protocol works very well and has been successfully used by many. i know it will work for you too and you will be fine. let me know how it goes.

at the conclusion of the cycle you can used clomid, nolva and phosphatidylserine for pct. wait 2 weeks or thereabouts, depending on the aas used, for the aas to be out of your system and start the clomid and ps. you will be using the nolva already but at this point you will want to bump the dose to 20mg ed perhaps even 40mg if you feel gyno symptoms. take 1g of ps ed for 1 month to control the cortisol buildup. there are many ways to take the clomid but i think taking 100mg ed for the 1st week and then 50mg ed for another month will do the trick.
 
Thanks Chip for the advice.

I have never been prone to gyno, and even when my training partner got bloated on deca, I didn't- even on a moderately high dose. The Nolva is just a responsible precaution and goes hand in hand with the HCG treatment, but I will have it on hand during the cycle just in case I see any significant sides with dianabol.

Thanks!

J, London
 
Ya keep the Nolva on hand. You might get some moon face from the sust and dbal so you can try some A-dex which I think is the best of the anti-e's.
 
Back
Top