Helping a 350lb friend

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

I would completely forget about drugs and focus on diet, training and a lot of cardio.. Take your time to learn..
Once these are nailed in he will have lost 80-100lbs anyway, then can start finer tweaking to get down even further, again by this time he will have built a solid base of muscle underneath and good ideology of training and what works best for him..

I would take this opportunity to get down to at least 12%-15% before even worrying about what the muscles are looking like.. Once at this Body fat he can either employ a mass routine or start a lean bulk.. This will be a long process but you will see the package start coming together within 6 months if done correctly..

Seriously my friend.. Your friend does not need any type of performance enhancing drug.. I'm going to guess that he come from a pretty unhealthy background so think about state of internal organs already.. These need a big break while he loses weight and takes even more stress off them..

 

[Liter O' Test]

Love how you avoid the fact that you also recommended a TRT for an obese..

men that are fat don't deserve healthy testosterone levels?

 

[krvuxn]

If he’s set on starting to use drugs, then I don’t see any reason to gate keep. True TRT test based on blood tests, a GLP, and progress pictures. He may also need help to learn how to eat well, eg a coach or a nutritionist. What’s common sense to some of us in regards to diet is not necessarily obvious to others.

Also another thought, injecting drugs won’t give him “motivation” if he doesn’t have it already.

 

[malfeasance]

I am not a coach or a trainer so I come to Meso for some advice for a friend of mine.

He is approximately 350 lbs and has never touched a needle (as he shouldn't) but just started working out with me as he has decided to change his life. He asked me a question i wasn't to sure how to answer.

He has been lifting weights with me and getting stronger as his lifts are going up but he is wondering if it is even worth it for him to preserve muscle at this weight. For me the easy answer is yes but he made a good point in saying, no matter how strong he gets right now. He is still unhealthy and wont be able to see the muscle he is putting on which is making him lose weight lifting motivation. He asked if it is better for him to just focus on diet and cardio to get as much weight off as possible. When he is at a healthy bf% get on a cycle or TRT and theoretically as a somewhat new lifter, he will be able to put most of the muscle he lost back on in a cycle or two. I don't know what his bf% is but he can't even lift two plates right now so I am assuming his lean body mass is pretty low.

Also I want to add that I have explained to him losing fat and weight on the scale can be different. But once again I couldn't fight back at him saying yes but at 350 it doesn't really matter and that is a better argument at 250.

The first thing to realize is that working out and weightlifting is not going to do the job.

He needs to change his nutrition.

Yes, resistance training is "worth it."

If he is "losing motivation" already, well . . .

Help him with his nutrition, but do not expect miracles. He has to want it more than you do.

He should be lifting, cardio, and nutrition, not one or two, but all three.

Plenty of obese folks have transformed before there ever were GLP-1 drugs and without steroids.

 

[Demondosage]

He has to want it more than you, talk is cheap and until he starts dropping major weight he’s just another fat guy talking out the side of his neck