HGH at 23, am im stupid?

[Proud Pangolin]

So, as you guys can see am a new member. The reason why i joined is harmreduction and basiacally i should mature enough to know the answer but:

Im 23 (had two cycles, last one was 600mg test and 600mg DHB even though i started with 500mg test and 400mg DHB. At the end i threw in some tbol but only because i quit the DHB (cypionate) much earlyer but anyways thats not the topic). Right now im cutting to get ready for next cycle (600mg test and 600mg DHB as i dont see why i should change a working system and its a strong cycle anyways)

What does this have to do with HGH? I got pretty fat over Christmas. I have to lose between 5-10kg. Thats 11-22 freedom per eagel (lb).

So i ordered som HGH to help with fatloss. In the first 2-3 months (with some 2weeks break in it though) of my pcf i used GHRP-2 and that other thin "no dac" (sorry i cant access my freezer right now). You know what im talkimg about.

I had very good results on it. I bulked and even though i ate a lot, i really didnt get fat. Thats why i was so surprised how fat i got during my one moth vacation because while obviously not training and doing my cardio its not like I stuffed my self like a pig. The fact that i run my enclomiphen citrate pretty long (8weeks full dosage and then i slowly reduces the dosage the next 3 weeks) may also have played a role because it raisesed my testosteron.

But my feeling was that this came from the peptides.

So until like a couple of day my plan was to run 4IU of HGH (split into two dosages as a fat loss protocoll) for like 1-2 months.

Now i have read the horrorstory here if that guy you took HGH at the age of 19?20? Something like that for only 4months and had significant face changes.

Im a pretty guy, i really dont want to lose that.

So basiacally i want to know what your take is on this. And yes i do realise nobody can gurantee anything, everybody is different etc.
But how stupid of an idea based on risk/benefit would you rate this from 1-10?

Im like torn appart, one part of me things, thats was one single case, you are anyways playing with your natural test, hair and health/life so stop bitching
And the other part says, why would you risk getting ugly just for some fatloss.

 

[malfeasance]

I got pretty fat over Christmas. I have to lose between 5-10kg. Thats 11-22 freedom per eagel (lb).
. . .
I bulked and even though i ate a lot, i really didnt get fat. Thats why i was so surprised how fat i got during my one moth vacation because while obviously not training and doing my cardio it's not like I stuffed my self like a pig.

I have my diet and cardio dialed in, this isnt my first diet.

These statements are contradictory.

Christmas was months ago.

Get to work and stop looking for miracle cures.

Sometimes people forget how catabolic a diet as a natural is compared to an enhanced person.

You're 23. It won't be that catabolic, and your testosterone will go up (and your estrogen will go down) as you get leaner.

But please could you explain to me what my baseline igf1 will help/tell me?

Whether there is any need for hgh.

The fatburning effect of HGH doesnt coke primarl through igf1 (the musclebuilding effect is primary mediated through igf1 from what i understand).

Sounds like you already know everything and are going to do what you are going to do. Your natural growth hormone, however, does all that other stuff that you think IGF-1 does not do. It's not like you don't have growth hormone unless you inject it.

Set up your high protein diet and hit the stair master.

HGH will make practically no difference for you all by itself. I doubt you could tell the difference doing a cut with or without it. It is not like steroids where you could inject steroids, starve yourself of carbs and fats on a ridiculous calorie deficit and keep a bunch of muscle if you do resistance training (and no, I am not suggesting you do that).

Had you been cutting from Christmas to now at 2 pounds a week you would already be down 22 pounds/10 kgs. You would have already met your goal, in other words.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

These statements are contradictory.

Christmas was months ago.

Get to work and stop looking for miracle cures.



You're 23. It won't be that catabolic, and your testosterone will go up (and your estrogen will go down) as you get leaner.



Whether there is any need for hgh.


Sounds like you already know everything and are going to do what you are going to do. Your natural growth hormone, however, does all that other stuff that you think IGF-1 does not do. It's not like you don't have growth hormone unless you inject it.

Set up your high protein diet and hit the stair master.

HGH will make practically no difference for you all by itself. I doubt you could tell the difference doing a cut with or without it. It is not like steroids where you could inject steroids, starve yourself of carbs and fats on a ridiculous calorie deficit and keep a bunch of muscle if you do resistance training (and no, I am not suggesting you do that).

Had you been cutting from Christmas to now at 2 pounds a week you would already be down 22 pounds/10 kgs. You would have already met your goal, in other words.

Yes i wont take the HGH, i have still time till summer and as you said, if i had done a diet already in january i would have been almost finished.

And im not saying i have figured everything out im just explaining my thoughts behind my actions to illustrate why i did thing like i did. Never claimed im right. These are two different things

 

[malfeasance]

Yes i wont take the HGH, i have still time till summer and as you said, if i had done a diet already in january i would have been almost finished.

And im not saying i have figured everything out im just explaining my thoughts behind my actions to illustrate why i did thing like i did. Never claimed im right. These are two different things

At 23, you are never again going to have this easy of a time cutting.

Do it.

Enjoy it.

Later, when you are older, it will be much more difficult. That's life.

 

[Proud Pangolin]

At 23, you are never again going to have this easy of a time cutting.

Do it.

Enjoy it.

Later, when you are older, it will be much more difficult. That's life.

Yeah you are right, if i cant cut now, what am i going to do later

 

[dvoted]

Iv seen 23 years of age and orgering HGH for fat loss...

F**K off lazy c*nt

Agreed!

 

[songsofpyramids]

At 23, you are never again going to have this easy of a time cutting.

Do it.

Enjoy it.

Later, when you are older, it will be much more difficult. That's life.

Amen brother

 

[Ateam2023]

Yeah you are right, if i cant cut now, what am i going to do later

Trust me , save the hgh for later in life "WHEN YOU ARE" gonna need it! and trust me , if you are already using PEDS at your age , its likely by the time you get in your 40-50's your gonna wish you had hgh to fall back on, js Good luck on your journey,, And im in the over 50 club ughh,,

 

[Proud Pangolin]

Trust me , save the hgh for later in life "WHEN YOU ARE" gonna need it! and trust me , if you are already using PEDS at your age , its likely by the time you get in your 40-50's your gonna wish you had hgh to fall back on, js Good luck on your journey,, And im in the over 50 club ughh,,

This may sound really weird, but if everything goes right, my next cycle will be my last cycle. The reason for this is simple. I realised that as long as im not taking PEDs continously i cant hold much more than my maximum of natural muscle mass.

However till I reached my absolut max. natural muscle mass I will probably be something like 30. A age where this probably wont be that important for me anymore and im planning to have my first child etc.

So basiacally the reason im taking PEDs to reach my natural max muscle mass now (which im able to hold without PEDs).
To be honest i probably would have reached that already last year but..... we a girl came into mylife, i went on vacation with her, we fought, alot of stress and some other tragedys.. anyways now im single and i wont take any breaks. This time I want everything to be perfect.

I know this is a different topic on this whole matter but its mine

 

[krakmonkey]

so your gona be taking roids either way

1: GH is not gona be a miracle for fat loss
2: 4iu at your age seems kinda meh but might be a small bit higher over natural production at your age
3: be prepared to take GH forever while taking roids this in my opinion is the healthier option instead of just stacking more drugs
4: I would change your choice of drugs but that's not the question
5: fat loss is eating less and adding cardio on top of lifting no miracles from any drugs or peptides will make it happen

 

[Proud Pangolin]

so your gona be taking roids either way

1: GH is not gona be a miracle for fat loss
2: 4iu at your age seems kinda meh but might be a small bit higher over natural production at your age
3: be prepared to take GH forever while taking roids this in my opinion is the healthier option instead of just stacking more drugs
4: I would change your choice of drugs but that's not the question
5: fat loss is eating less and adding cardio on top of lifting no miracles from any drugs or peptides will make it happen

What drugs would you change?

 

[malfeasance]

5: fat loss is eating less and adding cardio on top of lifting no miracles from any drugs or peptides will make it happen

Nobody wants to hear this.

Tell me what I can inject to get shredded lean!

Cardio? What is that? Spanish?

 

[malfeasance]

OP, you posted on March 4. It has already been four weeks, that is, an entire month. Two pounds a week is eight pounds, 3.6 kg.

How is your progress?

 

[Nidus]

Nobody wants to hear this.

Tell me what I can inject to get shredded lean!

Cardio? What is that? Spanish?

oh no, no otra vez!

 

[krakmonkey]

first throw all your DHB in the bin. then get a blood test with these values:

Total test
DHT
E2
IGF-1

Hbg
Hct
Ggt
Cystatin C
APOB
TSH
FREE T4
FREE T3
Reverse T3
Vitamin D
B12
HbA1C
Glucose
Fasting insulin

 

[Proud Pangolin]

OP, you posted on March 4. It has already been four weeks, that is, an entire month. Two pounds a week is eight pounds, 3.6 kg.

How is your progress?

Based soly on the weight? Not as good as i wanted it to be, i lost around +2kg, however based on sheer apperiance pretty good.

Im actually impressed how much theye +2kg made a difference in my phsique. I mean since i started i lost about 3kg in total, however the loss at the beginning is much water weight.

But im really impressive this time how fast im getting in shape compared to how slow im losung actuall weight. I really dont know whats going on...
Maybe my scale is broken, or im really losing a lot of fat and almost no muscle I dont know

 

[Proud Pangolin]

first throw all your DHB in the bin. then get a blood test with these values:

Total test
DHT
E2
IGF-1

Hbg
Hct
Ggt
Cystatin C
APOB
TSH
FREE T4
FREE T3
Reverse T3
Vitamin D
B12
HbA1C
Glucose
Fasting insulin

• Total Testosterone: 285 ng/dL (Normal: 240–870 ng/dL)



• Free Testosterone: 15.4 pg/mL (Normal: 7–22.7 pg/mL)



• SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin): 1.43 mg/L (Normal: 1.62–7.37 mg/L





• LH (Luteinizing Hormone): 2.4 mIU/mL (Normal: 0.6–12.1 mIU/mL)



• FSH (Follicle-Stimulating Hormone): 1.94 mIU/mL (Normal: 0.95–11.95 mIU/mL)


Just did like 4 weeks ago. Im probably goijg to do another pct because i havent Recoverer yet as you can see by my values


I user 25mg ENclomiphen, goung to try 60mg Torem +50mg Enclomiphene (as long as i dont get sides, but as i has zero sides from the 25mg Enclomiphene im more comcerned about the 60mg Torem than about the 50mg Enclomiphene. Novaldex isnt really an option as it interactions with other medicantion of mine)

 

[Proud Pangolin]

first throw all your DHB in the bin. then get a blood test with these values:

Total test
DHT
E2
IGF-1

Hbg
Hct
Ggt
Cystatin C
APOB
TSH
FREE T4
FREE T3
Reverse T3
Vitamin D
B12
HbA1C
Glucose
Fasting insulin

And i really loved DHB, it would be almost the perfect ASS for me, wouldnt there be the IMFLAMMATION!!!!

Thats not such a big problem though if its good brewed (i had 4different batches and there is a HUGE difference. Every hobby chemist camn brew good test E but good DHB without using carciogenic compiunds that will give you trencought.... not so many. But as i learned the hard way... its worth the money to get a good product...)

 

[Ateam2023]

first throw all your DHB in the bin. then get a blood test with these values:

Total test
DHT
E2
IGF-1

Hbg
Hct
Ggt
Cystatin C
APOB
TSH
FREE T4
FREE T3
Reverse T3
Vitamin D
B12
HbA1C
Glucose
Fasting insulin

i would be more concerned with "free testosterone " thats flowing , imho, but those are good tests ,,

 

[malfeasance]

The first 3-4 kg are typically water weight. Just my experience. Then you get into fat.

Yes, your appearance changes with the water weight change.

BUT

This is why guys fail to make progress for years. They do not get serious about cutting or adding lean tissue, and for years they drop water and add water and wonder why, 5 years later, they do not look so different from the five years prior. It is because they are just shifting water out and then back in.

 

[malfeasance]

Based soly on the weight? Not as good as i wanted it to be, i lost around +2kg, however based on sheer apperiance pretty good.

Im actually impressed how much theye +2kg made a difference in my phsique. I mean since i started i lost about 3kg in total, however the loss at the beginning is much water weight.

But im really impressive this time how fast im getting in shape compared to how slow im losung actuall weight. I really dont know whats going on...
Maybe my scale is broken, or im really losing a lot of fat and almost no muscle I dont know

2kg is progress, and it is in the correct direction.

If you are eating enough protein and weight training, then you will not lose a lot of muscle. You may not lose any until you get very lean.

So congratulations on your progress. Keep it going and adjust what you need to adjust a little at a time to keep things going in the right direction. If you are not tracking your meals and cardio, then it is difficult to make small changes. How do you pull out 50 grams of carbohydrates a day unless you are tracking carbohydrates? How do you pull out 22 grams of fats unless you are tracking fats? In both cases, that is pulling out 200 calories a day. How do you know if you hit 250 grams of protein unless you are weighing your food and tracking? When you plug in your food, and myfitnesspal says you are at 220 grams of protein for the day following dinner, well, guess who needs to eat another 100 grams of grilled skinless chicken breast before going to sleep at night?