Elektrobot
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Maybe because 51-60 year olds run more gear than everyone else
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Ghoul
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Maybe because 51-60 year olds run more gear than everyone else
Since these are taken from people coming in to test, maybe guys trying to turn back the clock in that group running rHGH, unbeknownst to the scientists.
I mean look at the low end, holy shit. Off a cliff. Looks like the age range you feel OLD, and either roll with the decline, or punch it in the throat and fight for every inch.
adrenalytic
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das what im talm bout
crispybacon!
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Thanks for the additional insights. I’m definitely trying to be in the throat punch category!
Fellow throat punch thrower just checking in 
Ateam2023
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i thought it was us vertically challenged individuals that went for the throat, lol, very effective, if you cant breath its hard to fight, those and taking out the knee,
There are different IGF-1 ranges and age ranges broken out at the link below for the Labcorp test. I think this web page is more recent than the document Ghoul posted (copyright 2021, thank you for that) so it might reflect new information or an evolution of testing methodology.
www.labcorp.com
010363: Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1)
Labcorp test details for Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1)
Ateam2023
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Well at least you came with some facts, BUT , As per the RULES, proper forum etiquette is to "introduce yourself in the NEW MEMBER THREAD" Have a Grateful Day.There are different IGF-1 ranges and age ranges broken out at the link below for the Labcorp test. I think this web page is more recent than the document Ghoul posted (copyright 2021, thank you for that) so it might reflect new information or an evolution of testing methodology.
010363: Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1)
Labcorp test details for Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1)
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deuces_00
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man you really are one of the most helpful guys on this platform. thank you for your high quality/effort posts.
malfeasance
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Damn, my upper level is going to drop again in a couple years . . .
Ghoul
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Updating the “Upper Limit of Normal” advice with a simpler method:
“Z score” is provided with IGF-1 results.
It’s calculated based on the test method the lab uses, sex, and age to a decimal point instead of a “range”, IE 48.6 yrs.
It’s very precise and saves the trouble of looking up test methods and charts, figuring out where you are in term of risk.
Keeping Z score below 3 will mitigate acromegaly risk (but above 2 is supra-physiological. A Z score of 2 is equivalent to the 1.3x ULN I mentioned and what doctors use as the cutoff before taking action to bring it down).
Z-score is the modern method vs ULN and most endocrinologists use it, despite not being in the guidelines yet.
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malfeasance
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My natty Z score is -1.0. Yes, negative. 
DeodatoFulci
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Dont feel bad, my natty z score is -0.9. So we’re like negative z score brothers or something.My natty Z score is -1.0. Yes, negative.
BendigoShafter
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After 7 weeks of 4iu/day my Z Score was 1.8 and IGF-1 was 303. I'm 45yo. I've got follow-up labs on Friday and that will be about 15 weeks so I'm curious what I'll find.
BigDadd7
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What were your starting values?
Ghoul
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My natty Z score is -1.0. Yes, negative.
Z -2 or below is a sign of Adult GH Deficiency and treated with rHGH as hormone replacement. (Has to be confirmed with a GH stimulation test).
But Z scores -1 to -2 can be Adult Growth Hormone partial deficiency and qualify you for a rHGH prescription, if you complain of lack of “vigor” and have a flexible endocrinologist.
They’re only supposed to give you enough rHGH to get you to Z +1 max.
A lot easier to just follow the MESO self treatment protocol lol
I’ve attached a study about this “partial” GH deficiency, but the most interesting part to me is this chart showing average kilograms of truncal fat mass on a DEXA scan going up as IGF-1 goes down. Basically the lower your IGF-1 drops, the closer you get to the “Ron Jeremy” physique
BendigoShafter
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Why you gotta make me admit I didn't get adequate baseline labs?
I’ve been using 2iu a day m-f for four years with occasional (twice a week ) second dose of 2iu without any issues.
Occasionally, I’ve pushed it a little bit more than that but did start to feel it in my joints and wrists in particular.
As far as my face is concerned, I can confirm. I’m just as ugly now as it was five years ago, but my face is exactly the same size.
Occasionally, I’ve pushed it a little bit more than that but did start to feel it in my joints and wrists in particular.
As far as my face is concerned, I can confirm. I’m just as ugly now as it was five years ago, but my face is exactly the same size.
