High test & low anabolics Vs low/moderate test & higher anabolics

[Eddie.]

Yes, during off-season, he peaked at 1700mg Test and used 700mg Primo+ 700 Mast.

As of 23/07 For his prep, he's using this:

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Exactly, there's a misconception Jewett uses moderate test/high mast and that's not the case.

 

[RzSco]

My best look was 250 test 400 tren.

But high test is more sustainable provided I used appropriate AI and 5AR. Tren gives me ED after 6-8 weeks no matter what I do.

Yet to try low tren high test.

All other compounds do literally nothing for me somehow.

 

[eery]

My best look was 250 test 400 tren.

is it the same that gives you the best look that gives you the best gains in muscle mass though?

 

[rexy]

is it the same that gives you the best look that gives you the best gains in muscle mass though?

You're correctly pointing out that people are talking through crossed wires all the time regarding this and they don't realise it. Probably because most of us are 'lifestyle ' guys, and many want the best of both worlds - ultra anabolism whilst looking stage-ripped year round. Even if it's possible to attain both, the pharma means will be too heavy (why is the last week of a show prep so intense and short duration? for a reason).

If you want the most anabolism, look will take a hit.

If you want the look, anabolism will take the hit (because you have to swap the focus to drier compounds that mostly are, by definition of being drier, providing a less anabolic environment).

I have accepted I'll get a drop in definition whilst building, then transition to what gives a 'better look' during periods of lower dosing to see what the growth phase built.

Don't somebody misinterpret that as one builds and the other doesn't - I'm saying it's a contiuum, where you choose accordingly and won't get the best of both worlds if you aim for the highest of one particular thing e.g anabolism or look.

 

[Eddie.]

You're correctly pointing out that people are talking through crossed wires all the time regarding this and they don't realise it. Probably because most of us are 'lifestyle ' guys, and many want the best of both worlds - ultra anabolism whilst looking stage-ripped year round. Even if it's possible to attain both, the pharma means will be too heavy (why is the last week of a show prep so intense and short duration? for a reason).

If you want the most anabolism, look will take a hit.

If you want the look, anabolism will take the hit (because you have to swap the focus to drier compounds that mostly are, by definition of being drier, providing a less anabolic environment).

I have accepted I'll get a drop in definition whilst building, then transition to what gives a 'better look' during periods of lower dosing to see what the growth phase built.

Exactly. Guys looking good on x compound and then say my favourite compound is x because i look the best on it.

I have not that much of experience but most of the bodybuilders i admired as i was growing up turned out to be using test/eq/nandrolone and from orals anadrol/dbol. All those drugs to build muscle, since we talk about gains and not looks.


Muscle tissue builds in the off season, you can do a cut with test and AI and still look awesome if you have all the muscle in the world on you.

As far as looks, undoubtedly tren, mast and winstrol will make you look dry and hard. But..you need the muscles in the first place.

 

[NightBeast666]

For my first few years cycling I ran low/moderate test cycles (300-600mg) and then used various anabolics to build up the cycle totals to 1.5-2gish generally. EQ, Nandralone, Tren, Mast etc

Last year I for one reason or another decided to try running test higher - 1 - 1.5g then use lower dose anabolics to polish on top.

And I've got to say from many perspectives I've found the high test/low anabolics approach to be a lot more effective for growth and performance - plataues seem far less frequent too. Just constant steady gains for months on end.

Not as great for a prep cycle, but even then it's only the last 6-8 weeks of my last prep cycle I started brining down the test and upping the anabolics.

What is everyone else's experiences?

There's a reason that Test is the best. Never seen anyone do high doses (1.5g - 2g a week) and have no way to easily control the side effects.

 

[cap’nboldenone]

Test is best. Side effects are incredibly easy to manage once you learn how to control your e2. I’m convinced the only reason low test got popular is because all of these influencers are partnered with trt clinics that are only allowed to prescribe up to 300 test.

My best look was 250 test 400 tren.

But high test is more sustainable provided I used appropriate AI and 5AR. Tren gives me ED after 6-8 weeks no matter what I do.

Yet to try low tren high test.

All other compounds do literally nothing for me somehow.

I felt more like I was “on tren” running 600 test 140 tren than I did running 120 test 350 tren

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Masteron , Primo , EQ , you won’t build shit especially as stand alones, if you use them with test to balance estrogen they’re great.

Test , Tren , Deca , great muscle builders all of them , dosage is the ceiling with those , that means you will build similar amounts of muscle either on 600mg test or 600mg deca
On 600mg Tren you will actually build a tad more due to its special characteristics and potent nature.

High test is a proven method but you will feel uncomfortable on high dosages period.

I personally prefer 1.5g Deca with 5-8iu GH to 1.5g test with 5-8iu GH.
BUT I will choose testosterone due to its safety profile.
On Deca I grow just as much I could say I grow more on Deca than test and I feel like a human and not like an animal .
Moderation is the best however 750mg test 200 tren 5-8iu GH 100-150mg drol (if you wanna go hardcore) there’s no better cycle and a splash of Masteron of course to keep things tight.

 

[RockyP]

Great topic.

For whatever reason, at least in the recent past, I’ve found that fear over 350-400 per week pushes my H/H up above normal. But I can run 700 (maybe more, haven’t tried) total mg per week with test at upper normal (for me that’s 225 mg) while adding secondary anabolic and H/H stays within normal range.

Short of any weird shit like this, I think we’d all do fine with as much test / GH / GLP-1 as we want and simply adjust dosages and food intake for desired effect.