Hospira Bacteriostatic water still safe to use?

BJJisLIFE

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I have a bottle that has already been opened and has and expiration date of Nov 1 2023.

I know it says it's expired but I know most drugs are still good WAY past their marked expiration date.

I can run it through a .22um syringe filter if need be. I even have a vile of Benzyl Alcohol I can add. a drop to it also.
 
It's fine. BAC doesn't really go bad. The only issue is "leachables" from the container, and Pfizer's standards are so high I'd use that Hospira BAC over a brand new UGL vial of it.

Don't add any more BA. Bad for you, and for your peptides.

That said, time for some fresh BAC, the peptides you'll reconstitute with it cost far more.
 
To be honest bro I would just pin it. But you could absolutely just re-filter and add a drop of BA if you’d like to be on the cautious side. May have lost a bit of potency by now but it shouldn’t be an issue.
 
Ohhh it’s BAC water, my bad. I thought you meant an oil. Your good bro use it. Me and many others get a gallon of distilled water and add BA to it. That’s a gallon of BAC water for dirt cheap.. You’re technically supposed to use sterile water, but it makes no difference.
 
That said, time for some fresh BAC, the peptides you'll reconstitute with it cost far more.
Thanks brother.

Yeah, I’m looking for a new supplier to get some new water but I want to start right now lol. There must have been some new law passed because every medical supply company only sells to medical professionals or people with a script.
 
Thanks brother.

Yeah, I’m looking for a new supplier to get some new water but I want to start right now lol. There must have been some new law passed because every medical supply company only sells to medical professionals or people with a script.

The absolute best per vial price is the 25.pack at Medex for $85. Throw in some BD 6mm syringes to get over $100 for free shipping. No prescrip required.

 
The absolute best per vial price is the 25.pack at Medex for $85. Throw in some BD 6mm syringes to get over $100 for free shipping. No prescrip required.

I just did this last week, thank you, I also read the how to properly store recommended by Pfizer thanks to you. I will no longer be refrigerating it.
 
It's fine. BAC doesn't really go bad. The only issue is "leachables" from the container, and Pfizer's standards are so high I'd use that Hospira BAC over a brand new UGL vial of it.

Don't add any more BA. Bad for you, and for your peptides.

That said, time for some fresh BAC, the peptides you'll reconstitute with it cost far more.
Is there any compelling rationale to preferring pharma-grade bacteriostatic water versus the various options available on Amazon? I've been using [this](https://a.co/d/cJAMPEY) product to reconstitute peptides, for example. Just curious if you believe there is a meaningful difference in quality (i.e., am I sacrificing any meaningful amount of peptide degradation by choosing the non-pharma BAC?).

EDIT: apparently my attempt at creating a hyperlink failed. This is the product I've been using:
BACTERIOSTATIC Reconstitution Solution Pharma Grade 30 ml in Glass Vial, 2 Pack Sterile Injection Port Amazon.com
 
Is there any compelling rationale to preferring pharma-grade bacteriostatic water versus the various options available on Amazon? I've been using [this](https://a.co/d/cJAMPEY) product to reconstitute peptides, for example. Just curious if you believe there is a meaningful difference in quality (i.e., am I sacrificing any meaningful amount of peptide degradation by choosing the non-pharma BAC?).

EDIT: apparently my attempt at creating a hyperlink failed. This is the product I've been using:
BACTERIOSTATIC Reconstitution Solution Pharma Grade 30 ml in Glass Vial, 2 Pack Sterile Injection Port Amazon.com
I have not used that, but it ought to work well enough.
 
Is there any compelling rationale to preferring pharma-grade bacteriostatic water versus the various options available on Amazon? I've been using [this](https://a.co/d/cJAMPEY) product to reconstitute peptides, for example. Just curious if you believe there is a meaningful difference in quality (i.e., am I sacrificing any meaningful amount of peptide degradation by choosing the non-pharma BAC?).

Full disclosure, I've used Amazon sourced BAC from the various no-name suppliers that popped up overnight when they discovered they could sell water and alcohol for $10+ a vial.

When I had to start trading notes with others regarding which BAC was "reliable", not causing pip or reconstitution problems with the same batches of peptides we were using, I decided to dig deeper.

Here's my concern, besides the obvious like "tap water" water being used (which besides the infection threat, contains chlorine and minerals that can easily destroy peptides), or improper PH(should be 5.7) because they don't check, or the wrong amount of benzyl alcohol, all of which have been found in cheap BAC.

You have no way of knowing what kind of water is being used. From what "common knowledge" seems to be, many likely believe distilled water is acceptable, after all, it's "pure". It's not. Others with higher standards think "sterile water" is sufficient. That may help ensure you won't get infected, but that's also not good.

BAC water must be non-pyrogenic.

Pyrogens are microscopic impurities not easily removed (including pieces of bacteria cell wall called "endotoxins"). They cannot be filtered out. Bacteria are enormous by comparison and easily removed with a filter, or killed by the heat of distillation.

Non-pyrogenic water is very hard to make, and a pharma product unto itself.

Pyrogens induce the creation of peptide aggregates, which we don't wan't. Endotoxins can make you sick, albeit that's a low risk in the short term.

It's possible these fly by night companies are making BAC using proper pharma grade "water for injection" and Benzyl Alcohol, filling the vials in an FDA regulated aseptic facility to prevent any from recontaminating the product and simply failed to note that fact, but I have my doubts. I'll bet a not insignificant amount of this stuff is made in someone's garage.

Meanwhile, for $4 a vial US, I can reconstitute $300-$2000 worth of peptides using what I can be certain of is non-pyrogenic, proper PH, proper alcohol content BAC that's been properly made under the oversight of Pfizer and the FDA.

99% of the drug you're injecting is the BAC.
 
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Full disclosure, I've used Amazon sourced BAC from the various no-name suppliers that popped up overnight when they discovered they could sell water and alcohol for $10+ a vial.

When I had to start trading notes with others regarding which BAC was "reliable", not causing pip or reconstitution problems with the same batches of peptides we were using, I decided to dig deeper.

Here's my concern, besides the obvious like "tap water" water being used (which besides the infection threat, contains chlorine and minerals that can easily destroy peptides), or improper PH(should be 5.7) because they don't check, or the wrong amount of benzyl alcohol, all of which have been found in cheap BAC.

You have no way of knowing what kind of water is being used. From what "common knowledge" seems to be, many likely believe distilled water is acceptable, after all, it's "pure". It's not. Others with higher standards think "sterile water" is sufficient. That may help ensure you won't get infected, but that's also not good.

BAC water must be non-pyrogenic.

Pyrogens are microscopic impurities not easily removed (including pieces of bacteria cell wall called "endotoxins"). They cannot be filtered out. Bacteria are enormous by comparison and easily removed with a filter, or killed by the heat of distillation.

Non-pyrogenic water is very hard to make, and a pharma product unto itself.

Pyrogens induce the creation of peptide aggregates, which we don't wan't. Endotoxins can make you sick, albeit that's a low risk in the short term.

It's possible these fly by night companies are making BAC using proper pharma grade "water for injection" and Benzyl Alcohol, filling the vials in an FDA regulated aseptic facility to prevent any from recontaminating the product and simply failed to note that fact, but I have my doubts. I'll bet a not insignificant amount of this stuff is made in someone's garage.

Meanwhile, for $4 a vial US, I can reconstitute $300-$2000 worth of peptides using what I can be certain of is non-pyrogenic, proper PH, proper alcohol content BAC that's been properly made under the oversight of Pfizer and the FDA.

I have always used Hospira, but your post made me embarrassed that I have read that word for so many years and never bothered to look up what it means.

On the other hand, pyrogens are not bacteria, but they are bacterial cell wall fragments. Typically, if bacteria mainly referring to gram-negative bacteria are destroyed during the sterilization process, endotoxin will be released and will remain undetected unless endotoxin testing is done. Endotoxins cannot be accurately detected through sterility testing. Being chemically stable, pyrogens are not necessarily destroyed by conditions that kill bacteria. For this purpose, depyrogenation is necessary to make a product pyrogen-free.

So, you may have products that may be sterile or sterile and pyrogen-free or pyrogen-free but non-sterile.



So thanks for taking the time to post. I learned something interesting today.
 
Full disclosure, I've used Amazon sourced BAC from the various no-name suppliers that popped up overnight when they discovered they could sell water and alcohol for $10+ a vial.

When I had to start trading notes with others regarding which BAC was "reliable", not causing pip or reconstitution problems with the same batches of peptides we were using, I decided to dig deeper.

Here's my concern, besides the obvious like "tap water" water being used (which besides the infection threat, contains chlorine and minerals that can easily destroy peptides), or improper PH(should be 5.7) because they don't check, or the wrong amount of benzyl alcohol, all of which have been found in cheap BAC.

You have no way of knowing what kind of water is being used. From what "common knowledge" seems to be, many likely believe distilled water is acceptable, after all, it's "pure". It's not. Others with higher standards think "sterile water" is sufficient. That may help ensure you won't get infected, but that's also not good.

BAC water must be non-pyrogenic.

Pyrogens are microscopic impurities not easily removed (including pieces of bacteria cell wall called "endotoxins"). They cannot be filtered out. Bacteria are enormous by comparison and easily removed with a filter, or killed by the heat of distillation.

Non-pyrogenic water is very hard to make, and a pharma product unto itself.

Pyrogens induce the creation of peptide aggregates, which we don't wan't. Endotoxins can make you sick, albeit that's a low risk in the short term.

It's possible these fly by night companies are making BAC using proper pharma grade "water for injection" and Benzyl Alcohol, filling the vials in an FDA regulated aseptic facility to prevent any from recontaminating the product and simply failed to note that fact, but I have my doubts. I'll bet a not insignificant amount of this stuff is made in someone's garage.

Meanwhile, for $4 a vial US, I can reconstitute $300-$2000 worth of peptides using what I can be certain of is non-pyrogenic, proper PH, proper alcohol content BAC that's been properly made under the oversight of Pfizer and the FDA.

99% of the drug you're injecting is the BAC.
Thank you for the very thorough and informative reply. That pricing is actually better than most of the Amazon ones, so I'm sold.

If you'll allow me to pick your brain once more, is there any difference between these three products on that medex website you linked in another post?
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BAC water must be non-pyrogenic.

Like yourself, I've used Amazon "reconstitution solution" in a pinch. For whatever it's worth, the stuff I've used claimed to be non-pyrogenic.

Not that I necessarily believe that claim nor do I have the means to test it. I did test the pH of the brand that I was using and it tested correctly.
 
Thank you for the very thorough and informative reply. That pricing is actually better than most of the Amazon ones, so I'm sold.

If you'll allow me to pick your brain once more, is there any difference between these three products on that medex website you linked in another post?
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You DO NOT want sodium chloride in your reconstitution water. TLDR the sodium chloride stuff has specific clinical purposes but reconstituting drugs isn't one of them.
 
You DO NOT want sodium chloride in your reconstitution water. TLDR the sodium chloride stuff has specific clinical purposes but reconstituting drugs isn't one of them.
Ah, thank you. I'll go with the first picture then, the one you linked in the other post. Thanks again for all the information and providing the source website to purchase from.
 
Ah, thank you. I'll go with the first picture then, the one you linked in the other post. Thanks again for all the information and providing the source website to purchase from.

For anyone in the US that wants to get over the $100 threshold for free Medex shipping, saving ~$20, consider these:


BD Eclipse. Fantastic luer lock syringe/needle kit for shallow IM injection, the absolute best imo. 27g but like using 30g. No need to switch needles to fill and pin. If you use a vial spike instead of the needle to fill, the needle stays so sharp I'm pretty sure this is the most comfortable IM injection possible.



BD Veo, Again, the BEST syringes, this time for peptides. Only downside is its max .30ml (30 units), only, The upside is double precision markings for very easy exact dosing, They do have a 1ml (100 unit) version for more. Designed in conjunction with the Mayo clinic, that determined sub-Q injections at 6mm were ideal for various reasons, Literally painless. The most non-threatening syringe on the market, and more comfortable than any pharma "pen" auto injector I've used.
 
You DO NOT want sodium chloride in your reconstitution water. TLDR the sodium chloride stuff has specific clinical purposes but reconstituting drugs isn't one of them.
I do, however, want it on my eggs. Pepper, too. Don't want pepper in my water, either.
 
For anyone in the US that wants to get over the $100 threshold for free Medex shipping, saving ~$20, consider these:


BD Eclipse. Fantastic luer lock syringe/needle kit for shallow IM injection, the absolute best imo. 27g but like using 30g. No need to switch needles to fill and pin. If you use a vial spike instead of the needle to fill, the needle stays so sharp I'm pretty sure this is the most comfortable IM injection possible.



BD Veo, Again, the BEST syringes, this time for peptides. Only downside is its max .30ml (30 units), only, The upside is double precision markings for very easy exact dosing, They do have a 1ml (100 unit) version for more. Designed in conjunction with the Mayo clinic, that determined sub-Q injections at 6mm were ideal for various reasons, Literally painless. The most non-threatening syringe on the market, and more comfortable than any pharma "pen" auto injector I've used.

Not difficult to push oil through a 27? I use 25, and sometimes it is hard to do, depending on my position. I have used insulin syringes with small needles, but the barrel is thinner than a 3 cc barrel (changes the physics).
 
Not difficult to push oil through a 27? I use 25, and sometimes it is hard to do, depending on my position. I have used insulin syringes with small needles, but the barrel is thinner than a 3 cc barrel (changes the physics).

Thin wall makes this needle's inner diameter equivalent to a 29g.

Also this is a 1ML syringe. It uses a 3ml barrel with thicker walls to reduce volume to 1ml. This reduces flex, so less effort is expended pushing. You can just feel how well made this thing is.

I should add I use MCT oil based compounds only.

Been using this combo for years without difficulty. The "Rolls Royce" of syringes imo. I once ran out and had to use my previous 27g, was like sticking a serrated knife into my arm. I never noticed all the pulling and grabbing of tissue until I used the smooth as silk BDs and went back.

Not just a matter of comfort either. Thousands of pins in the same very small area, no scar tissue buildup whatsoever.
 
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