Hospira Bacteriostatic water still safe to use?

[malfeasance]

Also this is a 1ML syringe. It uses a 3ml barrel with thicker walls to reduce volume to 1ml. This reduces flex, so less effort is expended pushing. You can just feel how well made this thing is.

I did not read the description. I just looked at the picture. I see now the description says 1 ml.

Is the picture remotely accurate? It is very strange looking. Like some pink plastic wavy thing sticking up off the thumb.

Is it better than using a 1 ml insulin syringe?

 

[Delmann]

Thin wall makes this needle's inner diameter equivalent to a 29g.

Also this is a 1ML syringe. It uses a 3ml barrel with thicker walls to reduce volume to 1ml. This reduces flex, so less effort is expended pushing. You can just feel how well made this thing is.

I should add I use MCT oil based compounds only.

Been using this combo for years without difficulty. The "Rolls Royce" of syringes imo. I once ran out and had to use my previous 27g, was like sticking a serrated knife into my arm. I never noticed all the pulling and grabbing of tissue until I used the smooth as silk BDs and went back.

Not just a matter of comfort either. Thousands of pins in the same very small area, no scar tissue buildup whatsoever.

I wish I could find the BD 1inch luer lock needles, using Nipro at the moment which actually is pretty smooth. I like pinning my TRT with slightly longer needles (though my delts are with the 1/2 inch). I just recently tried the Ultra fine 31G with my HCG injections and it's a world of difference. can't believe how smooth and painless it is. Those needles are sharp.

 

[Ghoul]

I did not read the description. I just looked at the picture. I see now the description says 1 ml.

Is the picture remotely accurate? It is very strange looking. Like some pink plastic wavy thing sticking up off the thumb.

Is it better than using a 1 ml insulin syringe?

It's a shield you flip with your thumb that locks over the needle after use. It looks odd, but in no way interferes with use. I like it, has saved me from inadvertent sticks putting the cap back on.

Oddly, it doesn't add to the price, occasionally it's cheaper than without, and more importantly, the non shielded version is a luer slip needle, while this is the more secure luer lock (so it doesn't come off when flipping the shield on).

Sounds a bit crazy to gush over a syringe, but it's like handling anything well made ...just adds a little satisfaction to your day.

 

[Ghoul]

Weirdly

I wish I could find the BD 1inch luer lock needles, using Nipro at the moment which actually is pretty smooth. I like pinning my TRT with slightly longer needles (though my delts are with the 1/2 inch). I just recently tried the Ultra fine 31G with my HCG injections and it's a world of difference. can't believe how smooth and painless it is. Those needles are sharp.

Odd, 27g goes from 1/2, to 5/8, then 1.25" in luer lock...

Agree totally on the "BD difference". The "VEO" line takes insulin syringes to another level.

 

[Delmann]

Weirdly

Odd, 27g goes from 1/2, to 5/8, then 1.25" in luer lock...

Agree totally on the "BD difference". The "VEO" line takes insulin syringes to another level.

Ahh maybe that's why I couldn't find 1 inch, though I never really saw the Luer lock 1.25" either, could just be poor searching on my end.

 

[Sampei]

Why buy expensive bac water shit when you can make your own bac water for pennies? Buy sterile non pyrogenic water in the pharmacy, inject filtered BA into it.

Job done, profit.
Cost pennies. Buy 1 liter of BA and you have bac water for life.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Not difficult to push oil through a 27? I use 25, and sometimes it is hard to do, depending on my position. I have used insulin syringes with small needles, but the barrel is thinner than a 3 cc barrel (changes the physics).

I prefer slower injections, but slower because I'm easily controlling the injection speed, not slower because I'm pushing as hard as I can but it's slow because I can't push any harder.

23 gauge and almost exclusively quads for oils. Never had a problem with scar tissue which I suspect is either user error or individual specific. Been doing it this way for years.

 

[james jwrvey]

Full disclosure, I've used Amazon sourced BAC from the various no-name suppliers that popped up overnight when they discovered they could sell water and alcohol for $10+ a vial.

When I had to start trading notes with others regarding which BAC was "reliable", not causing pip or reconstitution problems with the same batches of peptides we were using, I decided to dig deeper.

Here's my concern, besides the obvious like "tap water" water being used (which besides the infection threat, contains chlorine and minerals that can easily destroy peptides), or improper PH(should be 5.7) because they don't check, or the wrong amount of benzyl alcohol, all of which have been found in cheap BAC.

You have no way of knowing what kind of water is being used. From what "common knowledge" seems to be, many likely believe distilled water is acceptable, after all, it's "pure". It's not. Others with higher standards think "sterile water" is sufficient. That may help ensure you won't get infected, but that's also not good.

BAC water must be non-pyrogenic.

Pyrogens are microscopic impurities not easily removed (including pieces of bacteria cell wall called "endotoxins"). They cannot be filtered out. Bacteria are enormous by comparison and easily removed with a filter, or killed by the heat of distillation.

Non-pyrogenic water is very hard to make, and a pharma product unto itself.

Pyrogens induce the creation of peptide aggregates, which we don't wan't. Endotoxins can make you sick, albeit that's a low risk in the short term.

It's possible these fly by night companies are making BAC using proper pharma grade "water for injection" and Benzyl Alcohol, filling the vials in an FDA regulated aseptic facility to prevent any from recontaminating the product and simply failed to note that fact, but I have my doubts. I'll bet a not insignificant amount of this stuff is made in someone's garage.

Meanwhile, for $4 a vial US, I can reconstitute $300-$2000 worth of peptides using what I can be certain of is non-pyrogenic, proper PH, proper alcohol content BAC that's been properly made under the oversight of Pfizer and the FDA.

99% of the drug you're injecting is the BAC.

do you have any bac water that is below the price range of 40 usd. Lost my other bsf water and not paid atm

 

[Ghoul]

do you have any bac water that is below the price range of 40 usd. Lost my other bsf water and not paid atm

I said $4 each not $40, because a case of 25 vials is $100 at medex.

If you only need one, the cheapest I've seen is this, for $24 shipped:

30ml Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP | Westend Medical

Purchase this individual 30ml vial of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP. This nonpyrogenic diluent contains multiple doses for your convenience.

westendmedicalsupply.com

 

[james jwrvey]

I said $4 each not $40, because a case of 25 vials is $100 at medex.

If you only need one, the cheapest I've seen is this, for $24 shipped:

30ml Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP | Westend Medical

Purchase this individual 30ml vial of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP. This nonpyrogenic diluent contains multiple doses for your convenience.

westendmedicalsupply.com

do people sell fakes? i originally bought mine from qsc like a dumbass. this source seems good enough is it reliable?

 

[james jwrvey]

I said $4 each not $40, because a case of 25 vials is $100 at medex.

If you only need one, the cheapest I've seen is this, for $24 shipped:

30ml Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP | Westend Medical

Purchase this individual 30ml vial of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP. This nonpyrogenic diluent contains multiple doses for your convenience.

westendmedicalsupply.com

And this says sterile water is that good?

 

[Ghoul]

And this says sterile water is that good?

First link was wrong, I fixed it so it goes to Bacteriostatic water now. This is a legit medical supply place, for diabetics and home health care aids. Totally solid.

 

[james jwrvey]

First link was wrong, I fixed it so it goes to Bacteriostatic water now. This is a legit medical supply place, for diabetics and home health care aids. Totally solid.

thank you very much

 

[james jwrvey]

First link was wrong, I fixed it so it goes to Bacteriostatic water now. This is a legit medical supply place, for diabetics and home health care aids. Totally solid.

also sorry can i ask one more question. I bought test, mast and arimidex from generic asian i have to keep my estrogen below 30pg. I’m on 500 test 200 mast is 2.5mg arimidex from ga good every other day to get around that number? since i tried every day 2.5mg and i felt extremely tired and essentially suicidal. As of rn i’m on 500 test intraq pinning every other day .5cc and .25cc of mast every other day and i feel pretty good. But i’m getting slightly puffy nipples but no other side effects, should i up my dosage of arimidex to 2.5 every other day instead of 1.25/half pill.

 

[Ghoul]

also sorry can i ask one more question. I bought test, mast and arimidex from generic asian i have to keep my estrogen below 30pg. I’m on 500 test 200 mast is 2.5mg arimidex from ga good every other day to get around that number? since i tried every day 2.5mg and i felt extremely tired and essentially suicidal. As of rn i’m on 500 test intraq pinning every other day .5cc and .25cc of mast every other day and i feel pretty good. But i’m getting slightly puffy nipples but no other side effects, should i up my dosage of arimidex to 2.5 every other day instead of 1.25/half pill.

I'm gonna punt on this to the true experts. Start a new thread in the main Steroid forum with your question. I'm certain you'll get the answer you need.

I use a microdose of aromasin and it's knocked out my gyno, without leaving me depressed, but that's a more risky route, since it takes a while to recover if you overdo it.

 

[tirzeris]

This is a really good topic! Been reading all the replies. I have a Hospira BAC bottle that I've punctured over 30 days ago and still using it. Maybe given the cost isn't too high anyway I should just start a new one. Great to read all the insights people have shared!

 

[Ghoul]

This is a really good topic! Been reading all the replies. I have a Hospira BAC bottle that I've punctured over 30 days ago and still using it. Maybe given the cost isn't too high anyway I should just start a new one. Great to read all the insights people have shared!

The "30 day from first puncture" rule is based on worst case scenario. IE, a hospital, sloppy handling, etc. I always sanitize the top, and my vial's not in an environment with ill patients, so I give myself the leeway to use it until it's gone.

That said, since I started using "correct" dilution rates for each compound, they don't last nearly as long as when everything was 1ml/vial.

 

[Dirthand]

I know

I said $4 each not $40, because a case of 25 vials is $100 at medex.

If you only need one, the cheapest I've seen is this, for $24 shipped:

30ml Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP | Westend Medical

Purchase this individual 30ml vial of Bacteriostatic Water for Injection, USP. This nonpyrogenic diluent contains multiple doses for your convenience.

westendmedicalsupply.com

Where there is a discord server that sells them for 5$ a peice. I just noticed 32 for 5 but 7$ is for the shipping i believe

Discord - Group Chat That’s All Fun & Games

Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out.

discord.gg

 

[Ghoul]

I know

Where there is a discord server that sells them for 5$ a peice. I just noticed 32 for 5 but 7$ is for the shipping i believe

Discord - Group Chat That’s All Fun & Games

Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out.

discord.gg

$6.40 a piece, but a good deal if you don't want to commit to 25.

Medex is really $3.40 a piece as long as you buy a box of syringes or something to get over the $100 hump for free shipping.

 

[Ryu82]

You DO NOT want sodium chloride in your reconstitution water.

Hey boss, curious to ask why? A lot of pharmacies over here give you 10ml amps of sodium chloride to recon GH with as BAC water is not really a thing here.

You suddenly made me want to grab a case of BAC water on my next trip to NA lol.