How did the myth start that Primobolan was an AI?

[readalot]

Maybe we should do an evidence based sticky thread, getting bloods on cycle before and after adding primo. Would be cool to have all the data in one place.

See info on free E2 plus LCMS Total E2 assay shared above. Great tool for this activity.

 

[readalot]

The reason to not do it with winny or var is because these haven't shown potent ai effect in anyone basically, only marginal changes that can be swept under the rug in practice.

Primo is used as an anabolic AI by 90%+ of users pinning it.

All DHt derivatives have some affinity for aromatase and none of them metabolise into estrogen, so all would technically lower E2 just not to the degree primo does.

I have a feeling you are gonna do a thread with 25~ winny per day to answer whether primo is an ai or not. It's a straight up idiotic idea with literally different compounds than the question is about, but that's about the most I expect from you and I feel I'm not alone with that.

Let's keep the scope to metenolone. Stay disciplined. Agreed!!

 

[readalot]

The reason to not do it with winny or var is because these haven't shown potent ai effect in anyone basically, only marginal changes that can be swept under the rug in practice.

Primo is used as an anabolic AI by 90%+ of users pinning it.

All DHt derivatives have some affinity for aromatase and none of them metabolise into estrogen, so all would technically lower E2 just not to the degree primo does.

I have a feeling you are gonna do a thread with 25~ winny per day to answer whether primo is an ai or not. It's a straight up idiotic idea with literally different compounds than the question is about, but that's about the most I expect from you and I feel I'm not alone with that.

And I'm in once my slow ass gets around to trying this primo. Yes I move slow.

 

[eryximachus]

Frankly, reading through the past few pages of this thread, I'm not sure it's worth anyone's time trying to mend bridges with you.

You've also shown an inability to do any sort of basic research on the state of vendors, etc., over the past few years - I remember seeing you enter into some vendor threads and being highly confused and suspicious of the pricing when you could spend a few minutes reading through things to understand the current lay of the land rather than requiring others do your basic legwork for you. You said this was OK because you were here for a long time before and just came back recently. We wouldn't reward that sort of behavior from a brand new member, so why would someone who knows how this forum is supposed to work get a pass on that sort of bad behavior?

In this thread, you've plunged your head into the sand and ignored the fact that you have dozens of people telling you the measurable impact on their bloodwork, decided it is all some sort of mass delusion, and mixed in COVID related politics for good measure. Instead of sitting back and going "Man, people are basically universally telling me that this happens, maybe I should dig a bit deeper before insulting all of them," you just decided that no, it's not you, it's literally everyone else.

You've relied on AI to formulate anything resembling an argument here, rather than your own critical thinking or research abilities.

Your post history since you have returned to the forum doesn't give me any reason to believe you're worth taking seriously in any manner.

Highly confused and suspicious of pricing? What? You need to learn about this dude Socrates. I think he'll help you understand. Sometimes, things are not as they appear - especially questions.

In any event, I did "dig deeper" by extensively researching the history of this topic on this forum and verified, after multiple searches, that the claims of the gang in this forum regarding Primoblan "crashing" estrogen are not more than 3 years old. No one 10 years ago or 5 years ago was claiming this.

We also have a good scientific contribution that indicates ALL DHT derived androgens reduce estrogen, which I consider plausible, but not to the degree being claimed here.

Outside of using AI to summarize (correctly) why some random aromatase inhibitor researched by Schering in the 1990s is not a metabolite of Primoblan, I have not used it. And this should be evident by my writing style.

 

[eryximachus]

I’ve seen some report that their E2 levels in bloodwork drops significantly after introducing primobolan, with before and after bloodwork to compare.

I can find no reports on Meso-RX from before 2022 where this is true.

 

[eryximachus]

Are you intimating you have schizophrenia?

I have indicated several solutions that would satisfy my curiosity. Some are logical, some are scientific. Instead, I have received - overwhelmingly - insults and some trust me bro professions.

This is different than most of those hurling insults, who are very clearly 100% convinced without a shred of doubt. That lone should be, curious. Science should never be without doubt.

 

[malomkarom]

And I'm in once my slow ass gets around to trying this primo. Yes I move slow.

I haven't used it yet either. Prone to balding and broke as fuck. Not a great combo for the most expensive DHT derivative out there.

Before the retard gets pissy we aren't talking from personal experience, you don't need experience to aknowledge facts. They are facts for a reason.

 

[readalot]

I haven't used it yet either. Prone to balding and broke as fuck. Not a great combo for the most expensive DHT derivative out there.

Before the retard gets pissy we aren't talking from personal experience, you don't need experience to aknowledge facts. They are facts for a reason.

I am still recovering from a Mast adventure myself. I hear you Brother. FAFO lol.

 

[eryximachus]

@Type-IIx has spoken. I dont know what else there is to say at this point.

I'm willing to concede this is the best I will get, and appears reasonably plausible that it answers my question.

 

[malomkarom]

I can find no reports on Meso-RX from before 2022 where this is true.

But you can find it elswhere, though you've said it yourself you haven't bothered to check, you would rather spend your time telling everyone with any experience and/or knowledge on primo they are wrong cause you haven't read that about it yet.

There's also a lot on here on meso, you just actually have to search for it. If you start searching trying not to find something, it's kinda hard to get enlightened.
You haven't even done your own bloodtests to see if you E2 is affected by Primo, how on earth are you still pressing your opinnion against people with their own bloodwork posted publicly?

You read 1 guys opinnion and decided that's somehow worth more than the rest of the entire community and you're so confident you are not even testing it yourself. FFS you are injecting shit into your body, how do you care so little and fight so much? Reverse the ratios bro... holly fuck

 

[readalot]

I can find no reports on Meso-RX from before 2022 where this is true.

It takes a village Brother. Check out TNation which was very active for a bit. ExcelMale has some really good content on TRT or did. I see some threads got deleted which is a shame.

Just because it wasn't explicitly posted on MESO doesnt mean people weren't seeing it or talking about it.

 

[eryximachus]

Agreed. No matter how much I write the guy cant comprehend or combine information.

He doesn't even have blood work of his own and gets it from a TRT clinic. He can't post anything but he wants to talk about "feels"

I may be a stocker at the grocery store but atleast I can afford my own fucking blood work

This is your longest response.

 

[eryximachus]

You haven't even done your own bloodtests to see if you E2 is affected by Primo, how on earth are you still pressing your opinnion against people with their own bloodwork posted publicly?

I never have said this.

I have had bloodwork done dozens of times in the 11 years I have been using Primobolan almost exclusively. My E2 has always been within range.

 

[readalot]

This is your longest response.

This is a no win approach. Believe me I have been there. Let's all just constructively plot a path forward.

Respectfully,
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[eryximachus]

It takes a village Brother. Check out TNation which was very active for a bit. ExcelMale has some really good content on TRT or did. I see some threads got deleted which is a shame.

Just because it wasn't explicitly posted on MESO doesnt mean people weren't seeing it or talking about it.

I did see your posts, and I appreciate it. Those are forums on which I was never active.

Still nothing quite as severe as "crashing" e2, but it's at least proof this isn't an entirely novel concept from 2022.

 

[readalot]

I never have said this.

I have had bloodwork done dozens of times in the 11 years I have been using Primobolan almost exclusively. My E2 has always been within range.

What was it +/- primo on same dose of test after waiting appropriate transition time (say 4 weeks to account for ester)? Sensitive (LCMS) or IA assay for E2?

When doing these experiments best to pin ED to remove the need to apply PK corrections to the blood work (proximity of blood draw to last shot, infrequent injections, etc).

 

[malomkarom]

I never have said this.

I have had bloodwork done dozens of times in the 11 years I have been using Primobolan almost exclusively. My E2 has always been within range.

"within the range" means it is unaffected. Why noone knew before 2025/08/31 we don't know, but eryximachus clearly states your E2 going from 35 on 250 test to 5 on 1000 test and 800 primo indicates no changes in serum E2 despite the serum E2 changes seemingly visible on the bloodwork.

It's all just hoax.

If it's within the range with no bottom value, it is the same.

 

[IndividualMan]

Thank you.

It turns out the Artificial Intelligence model of Grok was correct after all.

@grok is this true?

 

[BamaCrazy]

I am still recovering from a Mast adventure myself. I hear you Brother. FAFO lol.

I say we use Readalot as the test subject. I’ll send you a vial of Stan’s primo Primo. And I’ll pay for before and after labs E2 sensitive/ultrasensitive after 6 weeks of 150-200mg a week.

It’s for science bro! lol

 

[readalot]

Still nothing quite as severe as "crashing" e2

The title of the thread brings up concept of AI. I have used an AI many times. They never "crashed" my E2. They did lower it significantly compared to baseline. Let's be clear on the goalposts.