how long do 19 nors suppress hpta tren/deca?

[haldoit2]

i had to go off cycle i got arrested and wasnt sure what was going to happen so i started pct. everythings fine all charges dropped. last injection was march 2nd, took hcg been taking clomid, tamox. I got blood work about 3 weeks ago 81 ng/dl test and things arent getting better still feel the same libido nuts are the same size. I thought I might aswell stay off until my lipids and bp and everything heals up and my balls plump back up but Im starting to lose a lot of muscle and strength. Dont feel bad or anything in fact having no sex drive is refreshing for me this must be how an old man feels ive got a lot of new hobbies doing art and reading all day in my free time very peaceful cerebral and holy feeling. I want to pct for 6 months or so but if im just going to stay suppressed and lose muscle because I was on deca/tren and it still needs time to clear should I just continue to take 150mg-200mg test?? and for how long would you think?? any advice very much appreciated

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

Why not just cruise on test

 

[haldoit2]

my cholesterol and blood pressure is not good and i wanted to heal my nuts some so i might still have them someday. I will do that soon thouh I dont think my body even has the potential to heal yet still suppressed

 

[RaddishPork]

I have seen claims that the metabolites of 19nors can stick around for up to a year or longer.

Some people recover right away, some people never recover. You can try running another PCT and see how it helps.

 

[AlistairASP]

May I break down your concerns and answer your questions?

Concerns About Long-term Recovery:

1. Continued Suppression:
   • Trenbolone: It might take up to 6 months for all trenbolone to clear from your body.
   • Deca (Nandrolone): Clearance could take even longer, potentially up to 18 months.
2. Recommendations:
   • Option 1: Continue Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) for 6 months before commencing PCT. This approach might shorten the PCT period and reduce the adverse effects of withdrawal, allowing for a smoother transition. During this period, at a lower dose of testosterone, you'll have more time to optimize your nutrition and minimize muscle loss. Supplementing with Calcium-D-glucarate might be beneficial.
   • Option 2: Proceed with PCT according to your plan. Calcium-D-glucarate could support the removal of trenbolone and nandrolone from your body, potentially shortening the PCT lead time.
   • Note: I recommend Option 1.
3. Muscle Loss:
   • Nutrition and Caloric Intake: Ensure that your nutrition and caloric intake are optimized to prevent further muscle loss. Consider consulting with a nutritionist to tailor a diet plan that supports muscle maintenance and overall health.
4. Lipids and Blood Pressure:
   • Consider integrating supplements such as fish oil and CoQ10 into your routine to support cardiovascular health. Ezetimibe or a low-risk statin may also be considered if necessary, under medical supervision. Regular monitoring of your cardiovascular profile is crucial.
5. Fertility and Testicular Health:
   • The use of hCG and, if needed, Human Menopausal Gonadotropin (HMG) protocols should be sufficient to support testicular health and fertility. It's important to follow up with regular blood tests to monitor these parameters.

 

[Gigantic]

May I break down your concerns and answer your questions?

Concerns About Long-term Recovery:

1. Continued Suppression:
   • Trenbolone: It might take up to 6 months for all trenbolone to clear from your body.
   • Deca (Nandrolone): Clearance could take even longer, potentially up to 18 months.
2. Recommendations:
   • Option 1: Continue Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) for 6 months before commencing PCT. This approach might shorten the PCT period and reduce the adverse effects of withdrawal, allowing for a smoother transition. During this period, at a lower dose of testosterone, you'll have more time to optimize your nutrition and minimize muscle loss. Supplementing with Calcium-D-glucarate might be beneficial.
   • Option 2: Proceed with PCT according to your plan. Calcium-D-glucarate could support the removal of trenbolone and nandrolone from your body, potentially shortening the PCT lead time.
   • Note: I recommend Option 1.
3. Muscle Loss:
   • Nutrition and Caloric Intake: Ensure that your nutrition and caloric intake are optimized to prevent further muscle loss. Consider consulting with a nutritionist to tailor a diet plan that supports muscle maintenance and overall health.
4. Lipids and Blood Pressure:
   • Consider integrating supplements such as fish oil and CoQ10 into your routine to support cardiovascular health. Ezetimibe or a low-risk statin may also be considered if necessary, under medical supervision. Regular monitoring of your cardiovascular profile is crucial.
5. Fertility and Testicular Health:
   • The use of hCG and, if needed, Human Menopausal Gonadotropin (HMG) protocols should be sufficient to support testicular health and fertility. It's important to follow up with regular blood tests to monitor these parameters.

6 months to get tren out? 18 for deca? Need more details… do you have any sources for your info? I took tren weeks before a drug test and nothing showed up. This is not legal advice lol

 

[haldoit2]

thanks alistair ill do that. there is some sins of life down there and ive already been taking clomid and tomox for over a month its built up in my system so if i can do it i want to try but its not worth losing years worth of gains. although im sure it will all come back quick

 

[AlistairASP]

6 months to get tren out? 18 for deca? Need more details… do you have any sources for your info? I took tren weeks before a drug test and nothing showed up. This is not legal advice lol

Oh Thank you for your comment based on your experience. Honestly, I dont have any direct experience but just hearing from some source.
Sorry that I cannot provide concrete evidence but I am quite sure that I heard it from reddit or my local community chat
Unfortunately, the comment did not provide reason why it should be that so long.

Perspective of reason:
On that time, I guess his comment might be based on "Detection time" of that AAS might be detectable. In case of Deca, it might be 18 months. For tren, it would be shorter. I think the 6 months is his maximum lead time based on his perspective, not scientific base.
When conducting the drug abuse in athlete, I think the device might be very sensitive for very small quantity so it can detect in very long lead time. In case of PCT, that very low quatity of deca/tren might be not impact PCT. However, for risk concern, I think the worst case scenario might need to be considered.
I believe in the most user the lead time might be a lot shorter especially with Calcium-D-glucarate support.

If you have any comment please let me know. I am glad that your comment is constructive and I will use it for reference in later case.

 

[AlistairASP]

thanks alistair ill do that. there is some sins of life down there and ive already been taking clomid and tomox for over a month its built up in my system so if i can do it i want to try but its not worth losing years worth of gains. although im sure it will all come back quick

thanks alistair ill do that. there is some sins of life down there and ive already been taking clomid and tomox for over a month its built up in my system so if i can do it i want to try but its not worth losing years worth of gains. although im sure it will all come back quick

Oh, I definitely don’t want to upset you. As I mentioned earlier, the long lead times I referred to are often based on extreme scenarios like detection times for drug testing, which might not directly apply to your situation. Generally, recovery could be much quicker.

With the help of supplements like calcium-d-glucarate, your body might be able to metabolize and clear trenbolone and nandrolone more quickly, aiding your recovery.

My main concern is helping you maintain as much of your hard-earned muscle mass as possible during this period. If it’s within your budget, using HGH could be beneficial. Alternatively, MK677/ibutamoren might be a more affordable option that can also support muscle maintenance.

I’m not a professional athlete, but I’m doing my best to offer helpful advice based on what I know. If there's anything else you need, just let me know!

 

[DecaPrimoVar]

There are some metabolites of deca that can remain for very long periods of time, however the quantity and potency of these metabolites is not high enough to cause shutdown on their own.

Deca has a long half life of up to 2 weeks and will take approximately 8-10 weeks to clear (more for high doses).

 

[AlistairASP]

There are some metabolites of deca that can remain for very long periods of time, however the quantity and potency of these metabolites is not high enough to cause shutdown on their own.

Deca has a long half life of up to 2 weeks and will take approximately 8-10 weeks to clear (more for high doses).

Thank you so much. I am updating based on your info.

 

[OmL]

This was popularised by the ass hats that run the r/steroids page on Reddit, and unfortunately it’s where a lot of people get their “beginner” information about the juice.

 

[Vanargandar]

6 months to get tren out? 18 for deca? Need more details… do you have any sources for your info? I took tren weeks before a drug test and nothing showed up. This is not legal advice lol

I believe this is the study most people are referring to; Significance of 19‐norandrosterone in athletes' urine samples

"The metabolites are easily detected in human urine samples following isolation through solid‐phase extraction, enzymatic hydrolysis, liquid‐liquid extraction, chemical formation of derivatives, usually per‐trimethylsilylation, and gas chromatographic‐mass spectrometric (GC‐MS) analysis. Parenteral administration of the long‐chain esters of 19‐nortestosterone may be detected for months, with anecdotal evidence pointing to more than 18 months past the last injection. Metabolites formed after oral administration of norsteroids remain detectable for only a few days. Since strong interindividual variability exists in the excretion of metabolites linked to different rates of absorption and rapid elimination of metabolites following oral ingestion, it seems almost impossible to determine from the results of a single test what exact preparation was used, let alone the time, dosage,or mode of administration. It appears that high‐intensity exercises do not influence the excretion of 19‐norsteroids administered to trained athletes."

 

[DecaPrimoVar]

This was popularised by the ass hats that run the r/steroids page on Reddit, and unfortunately it’s where a lot of people get their “beginner” information about the juice.

The worst forum ever created. There couldn't be a worse place to learn about gear.

 

[Gigantic]

The worst forum ever created. There couldn't be a worse place to learn about gear.

Redditors are some of the dumbest most far-left people on the internet. Very censorship-driven via downvotes if you disagree with them. Not a great place to discuss anything in all seriousness.

I say this despite being somewhat left-wing, and a little right.

 

[AlistairASP]

I believe this is the study most people are referring to; Significance of 19‐norandrosterone in athletes' urine samples

"The metabolites are easily detected in human urine samples following isolation through solid‐phase extraction, enzymatic hydrolysis, liquid‐liquid extraction, chemical formation of derivatives, usually per‐trimethylsilylation, and gas chromatographic‐mass spectrometric (GC‐MS) analysis. Parenteral administration of the long‐chain esters of 19‐nortestosterone may be detected for months, with anecdotal evidence pointing to more than 18 months past the last injection. Metabolites formed after oral administration of norsteroids remain detectable for only a few days. Since strong interindividual variability exists in the excretion of metabolites linked to different rates of absorption and rapid elimination of metabolites following oral ingestion, it seems almost impossible to determine from the results of a single test what exact preparation was used, let alone the time, dosage,or mode of administration. It appears that high‐intensity exercises do not influence the excretion of 19‐norsteroids administered to trained athletes."

Thank you for your info. Please me take note for my recalling.

 

[DecaPrimoVar]

Redditors are some of the dumbest most far-left people on the internet. Very censorship-driven via downvotes if you disagree with them. Not a great place to discuss anything in all seriousness.

I say this despite being somewhat left-wing, and a little right.

Yeah, I used to think I was on the "good" subreddits like r/steroids but they literally would recommend 500 mg test for 16 weeks and 50 mg of Dbol kickstart for 6 weeks as a first cycle. I almost couldn't think of a worse cycle to run.

You can't even make new topics, everything goes on the off-topic or ask anything threads. So there's no meaningful discussion whatsoever.

The mods are just bullies and every question is answered with "read the wiki" which has tons of misinformation.

 

[Venus33]

6 months to get tren out? 18 for deca? Need more details… do you have any sources for your info? I took tren weeks before a drug test and nothing showed up. This is not legal advice lol

Your Tren wasnt legal! LoL

 

[Venus33]

There are some metabolites of deca that can remain for very long periods of time, however the quantity and potency of these metabolites is not high enough to cause shutdown on their own.

Deca has a long half life of up to 2 weeks and will take approximately 8-10 weeks to clear (more for high doses).

Gigantic wants sources of your info

 

[Venus33]

Yeah, I used to think I was on the "good" subreddits like r/steroids but they literally would recommend 500 mg test for 16 weeks and 50 mg of Dbol kickstart for 6 weeks as a first cycle. I almost couldn't think of a worse cycle to run.

You can't even make new topics, everything goes on the off-topic or ask anything threads. So there's no meaningful discussion whatsoever.

The mods are just bullies and every question is answered with "read the wiki" which has tons of misinformation.

Lets then make a topic. Why do you consider 600mg test a week with dBol 50mg day is a bad cycle? I just wonder how much you learnt so far and see if i can learn from you.