How to "cheat" my bloodwork to test lower for total testosterone?

[Dinkleberry]

I'm a new patient in my hospital's urology clinic for potential testosterone therapy.

In other words, I'm pretty close to getting my insurance to pay for me to inject Test-Cyp.

I'm right near the threshold.

One lab test for total testosterone came in around 320 ng/dL while two other tests for total test both came back at 177 ng/dL.

The doctor wants me to take a fourth test, but he wants me to come in to the lab earlier in the morning this time.

I normally wake up around 11 AM, so previously I just did these last three tests around 11:30 AM but the doctor says that in order for my insurance to accept the results I need to finish the lab tests before 10 AM.

So, I'm a little concerned that if I repeat the test a fourth time, this time waking up an hour earlier, I will have high enough testosterone scores that my insurance won't pay for it... If this is the case, I will need to pay out of pocket .. I would still want to do TRT at low normal levels, probably.

So is there a way I can "cheat" the test for total testosterone just to nudge the score a little bit lower? It's already really f--in low, I just want to "help" it go a little bit lower.

I figure one way I can do this is to just stay up all night before the test, lol... Any other ideas?

 

[Leg_locker]

Stay up las long as possible
Workout as hard as possible/kill yourself with cardio
Eat terriblely and drink alcohol
Jerk off non stop (do it while doing cardio 2 birds one stone)

 

[DECLAN]

I actually tried getting no sleep for 32 hrs and drinking 2 cans of beer 12 hrs prior and my results weren't that much lower. Total test came low but free test was low normal. So, I don't know about surefire way to skew results.

 

[Night_Owl]

Lots of spearmint and licorice root

 

[RunTrenFcukTens]

Use other steroids besides test to shut yourself down.

 

[DECLAN]

Problem is fsh and lh will show low values then doc will order brain scans and other tests.

 

[RunTrenFcukTens]

Problem is fsh and lh will show low values then doc will order brain scans and other tests.

I think if he uses some anavar for a few weeks it would be enough to keep his numbers down, but not being totally suppressed. Also maybe the dr thought he was waking up earlier and not doing the blood work until 1130. When in reality he was waking up and doing the blood work right away.

 

[Dinkleberry]

I think if he uses some anavar for a few weeks it would be enough to keep his numbers down, but not being totally suppressed. Also maybe the dr thought he was waking up earlier and not doing the blood work until 1130. When in reality he was waking up and doing the blood work right away.

I explained to the urology clinic that I wake up at 11 AM each day, but they still want me to take it as close as possible to 8 AM. It seems pretty illogical for them to say that.

The doctor's office said that even if I wake up at 11 AM the insurance company wants the blood drawn near 8 AM or else insurance will deny an authorization to fill a testosterone prescription.

So I called the insurance company and the insurance company said that they don't have any kind of a "rule" about what time of day the test is taken like the clinic is claiming.

The urologist seems to be almost anti-TRT, overall.

He was exaggerating how much impact this will have on fertility. He was basically saying that I probably won't be able to have kids if I go on TRT. A local TRT clinic told me differently, though, and said fertilty is partially preserved through HMG or hCG while on cycle and then once I want to have kids I can go off cycle and full fertility would probably return.

All of this is making me feel liike the urologist is just looking for any excuse to keep me off of TRT, so I want to try to rig the lab results in my favor a little bit, I guess.

 

[RunTrenFcukTens]

I explained to the urology clinic that I wake up at 11 AM each day, but they still want me to take it as close as possible to 8 AM. It seems pretty illogical for them to say that.

The doctor's office said that even if I wake up at 11 AM the insurance company wants the blood drawn near 8 AM or else insurance will deny an authorization to fill a testosterone prescription.

So I called the insurance company and the insurance company said that they don't have any kind of a "rule" about what time of day the test is taken like the clinic is claiming.

The urologist seems to be almost anti-TRT, overall.

He was exaggerating how much impact this will have on fertility. He was basically saying that I probably won't be able to have kids if I go on TRT. A local TRT clinic told me differently, though, and said fertilty is partially preserved through HMG or hCG while on cycle and then once I want to have kids I can go off cycle and full fertility would probably return.

All of this is making me feel liike the urologist is just looking for any excuse to keep me off of TRT, so I want to try to rig the lab results in my favor a little bit, I guess.

I think the result would be the same if the doctor wants you to di blood work earlier in the morning as you have essentially been doing that, your morning is just later than others.

I don’t know anything about how insurance works in the USA so I can’t help you there.

If you want to maintain fertility I would use hCG during your TRT, but I think it’s no longer available in compounding pharmacies in the USA. I’ve heard of Drs putting people on clomid now instead of hCG, but that makes zero sense to me. Some guys have success coming off TRT and using hMG and hCG in a fertility protocol and some don’t. It seems like a very uncomfortable/unpredictable process. You could use clomid alone for fertility and TRT depending if you have primary or secondary hypogonadism.

Like others have said I think not sleeping the night before will be enough since you have pretty low levels to begin with. If you use an oral for a week before the blood work that will suppress you a bit too.

 

[infinitezero]

I'm a new patient in my hospital's urology clinic for potential testosterone therapy.

In other words, I'm pretty close to getting my insurance to pay for me to inject Test-Cyp.

I'm right near the threshold.

One lab test for total testosterone came in around 320 ng/dL while two other tests for total test both came back at 177 ng/dL.

The doctor wants me to take a fourth test, but he wants me to come in to the lab earlier in the morning this time.

I normally wake up around 11 AM, so previously I just did these last three tests around 11:30 AM but the doctor says that in order for my insurance to accept the results I need to finish the lab tests before 10 AM.

So, I'm a little concerned that if I repeat the test a fourth time, this time waking up an hour earlier, I will have high enough testosterone scores that my insurance won't pay for it... If this is the case, I will need to pay out of pocket .. I would still want to do TRT at low normal levels, probably.

So is there a way I can "cheat" the test for total testosterone just to nudge the score a little bit lower? It's already really f--in low, I just want to "help" it go a little bit lower.

I figure one way I can do this is to just stay up all night before the test, lol... Any other ideas?

Your body makes T in the last few hours of your sleep cycle, and is highest within the first few hours after you wake. For example you could have a Total T of 500 at 08:00 in the morning, but have a Total T of 350 at 16:00 in the afternoon. The only real way to cheat it is to deprive yourself of your sleep cycle.

 

[DECLAN]

Your body makes T in the last few hours of your sleep cycle, and is highest within the first few hours after you wake. For example you could have a Total T of 500 at 08:00 in the morning, but have a Total T of 350 at 16:00 in the afternoon. The only real way to cheat it is to deprive yourself of your sleep cycle.

This is anecdotal but I just want to reiterate that sleep deprivation is not a sure fire way of lowering test. I already did it twice and my numbers we're comparably the same.

However, maybe you can try to workout hard like full body depletion then no sleep. I was in the same boat as the OP, low total test but free test was just points above low value cut off.

If you really want trt you have to convince them of the symptoms, that's what I did and got prescribed test.

 

[infinitezero]

want to reiterate that sleep deprivation is not a sure fire way of lowering test

Agreed.

 

[finroid]

While this is not medical advice, but some people in my country do opioids to achieve this.
There is literature on this, like

https://wchh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/tre.846

 

[DECLAN]

While this is not medical advice, but some people in my country do opioids to achieve this.
There is literature on this, like

https://wchh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/tre.846

OP please don't do this lol. Just find a trt clinic if you can afford it.

 

[qadsan]

75g of glucose about an hour before your blood work may drop your t levels by up to 25%

Abrupt decrease in serum testosterone levels after an oral glucose load in men: implications for screening for hypogonadism - PubMed

Glucose ingestion induces a significant reduction in total and free T levels in men, which is similar across the spectrum of glucose tolerance. This decrease in T appears to be because of a direct testicular defect, but the absence of compensatory changes in LH suggests an additional central...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Dinkleberry]

While this is not medical advice, but some people in my country do opioids to achieve this.
There is literature on this, like

https://wchh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/tre.846

Interesting. I could try this after surgery since I'm going to be on opiates anyways.

 

[hyooge]

I would drink a lot vodka at night for the 3-4 leading up - dont overdo it
add a beer too, don't blackout or shit, just have 3-4 shots and a beer.

 

[MixModz]

Cut off your balls you will see it works

 

[Juicy AF]

I ran Rad 140 for a few weeks. Came in at 140

 

[milkbone]

Try high doses of Melatonin (the sleep aid) for a week or 2 prior. Melatonin is a hormone, and is a high on the flowchart hormone also, meaning that use and especially overuse will disrupt the other hormones in your body. This is anecdotal, no science studies, I found out that when I took Melatonin to regulate my sleep way back when it was a new product it lowered my test.


Whoops, Seems there have been some studies since the last I had looked, Melatonin inhibits testosterone secretion by acting at hypothalamo-pituitary-gonadal axis in the rat - PubMed
and there are more of course.