How to Use Clenbuterol & Ketotifen?

[personanonymous]

Products:
CLENBUTEROL (AQUEOUS SOLUTION) - 100MCG/ML - 60ML VIAL
KETOTIFEN FUMARATE (AQUEOUS SOLUTION) - 1MG/ML - 60ML VIAL

I am looking for info on how to take Clenbuterol and Ketotifen. I have a number of questions:

1) How do I "consume" the Clenbuterol/Ketotifen (AQUEOUS SOLUTION)? (injection/drink/eat)
2) How do I determine how much Clenbuterol/Ketotifen to take?
3) How often do I take it?
4) What exactly is an aqueous solution versus another form?
5) How does it effect dosing?
6) How does an aqueous solution effect it's effectiveness?
7) If I am on 400 - 600mg of DNP, does it effect dosing Clenbuterol/Ketotifen?
8) Can I take an ECA stack while on DNP & Clenbuterol/Ketotifen?

Thanks for your help.

 

[TheOnlyVenom]

1) Typically Clenbuterol/Ketotifen are taken orally, AKA pill form. Although both can be given through a shot.

2) That all depends on your body and how if handles it. You usually don't want to take over 100mcg of Clenbuterol a day. Although some people go upwards of that 100mcg. As for Ketotifen, I wouldn't recommend taking that at all, because that can possibly increase weight gain.

3) Spread the dosage through-out the day, capping it off at 5:30pm or so to make sure you get some sleep.

4) An aqueous solution is any solution in which water is the solvent.

5 & 6) Should be the same as taking a pill.

7) I would recommend taking something that doesn't mess with beta receptors like an ECA stack instead of clenbuterol, or ephedrine.

Hope my first post on this site helps!

 

[Stormbringer]

Bro, I believe clen and ephedrine/ECA stack both down regulate your Beta 2 receptors. That is what the Keto is for. Upregulates them to extend the effectiveness for a little while longer. Benadryl will work somewhat also. I have been told that Keto is not worth the sides, just to let you know, to drowsy.

 

[HDH]

Products:
CLENBUTEROL (AQUEOUS SOLUTION) - 100MCG/ML - 60ML VIAL
KETOTIFEN FUMARATE (AQUEOUS SOLUTION) - 1MG/ML - 60ML VIAL

I am looking for info on how to take Clenbuterol and Ketotifen. I have a number of questions:

1) How do I "consume" the Clenbuterol/Ketotifen (AQUEOUS SOLUTION)? (injection/drink/eat)
2) How do I determine how much Clenbuterol/Ketotifen to take?
3) How often do I take it?
4) What exactly is an aqueous solution versus another form?
5) How does it effect dosing?
6) How does an aqueous solution effect it's effectiveness?
7) If I am on 400 - 600mg of DNP, does it effect dosing Clenbuterol/Ketotifen?
8) Can I take an ECA stack while on DNP & Clenbuterol/Ketotifen?

Thanks for your help.

ECA, Clen and DNP??

Brother, you better just tighten up your diet and do some serious cardio before you hurt yourself

HDH

 

[Prsident]

Takes these drugs all at the same time for 6 to 8 months non stop[)]

 

[Conciliator]

ECA, Clen and DNP??

Brother, you better just tighten up your diet and do some serious cardio before you hurt yourself

HDH

These actually complement each other very well.

 

[personanonymous]

ECA, Clen and DNP??

Brother, you better just tighten up your diet and do some serious cardio before you hurt yourself

HDH

Thank you for your concern. However, my diet is very 'tight'. I am cycling on a PSMF and slighlty above depending on my daily activites. My minimum intake is 1050 calories all from lean protein and my highest calories are around 1500 if I have to work out for more than 3 hours that day. Those additional 450 calories all from 'good' fats.

It is my goal to be as safe as humanly possible, and that is why I am seeking the advice from others. Thanks.

 

[Porthoz]

there is no advantage as far as I am concerned in spreading out your clen dosages throughout the day...

take all of you clen first thing in the morning when you wake up and you will get the same results - the sides if any will be the same, andmost importantly it won't fuck with you sleep....

start with 60 micrograms per day for the first 2 days then go to 80 for the next two days and if the side effects are ok go to 100 and finally 120.

I personally would not exceed 120 mgs per day....


EDIT: HOLY CRAP -- 1050 CALORIES PER DAY?????

 

[HDH]

These actually complement each other very well.

Is that all 3 at one time or alternating the ECA and Clen?

HDH

 

[Prsident]

Clen and DNP at the same time???

 

[Conciliator]

there is no advantage as far as I am concerned in spreading out your clen dosages throughout the day...

take all of you clen first thing in the morning when you wake up and you will get the same results - the sides if any will be the same, andmost importantly it won't fuck with you sleep....

start with 60 micrograms per day for the first 2 days then go to 80 for the next two days and if the side effects are ok go to 100 and finally 120.

I personally would not exceed 120 mgs per day....

EDIT: HOLY CRAP -- 1050 CALORIES PER DAY?????

I agree with once a day dosing in the morning. However, I think starting out at 60 mcg per day is ridiculous. Start at 20 mcg (or 40 mcg if that's what you have) and slowly increase your dosage from there. Someone whose adrenergic receptors are not downregulated shouldn't need much to get a nice lipolytic effect.

 

[Conciliator]

Is that all 3 at one time or alternating the ECA and Clen?

HDH

Alternating. Clen+DNP or EC+DNP.

 

[Stormbringer]

Thank you for your concern. However, my diet is very 'tight'. I am cycling on a PSMF and slighlty above depending on my daily activites. My minimum intake is 1050 calories all from lean protein and my highest calories are around 1500 if I have to work out for more than 3 hours that day. Those additional 450 calories all from 'good' fats.

It is my goal to be as safe as humanly possible, and that is why I am seeking the advice from others. Thanks.

What the Heck kind of diet is that! Training three hours a day? My girlfriend is 5 weeks out from a BB show and is at 7% BF weighing 136lbs at 5'4" and she consumes more calories than this! If your diet is that tight, I do not see the need for all this unless you are competeing in a feather wieght class for a BB show. I think you are going to shrivel up and blow away using the DNP. This does not match your with your "goal of being as safe as humanly possible."

 

[personanonymous]

What the Heck kind of diet is that! Training three hours a day? My girlfriend is 5 weeks out from a BB show and is at 7% BF weighing 136lbs at 5'4" and she consumes more calories than this! If your diet is that tight, I do not see the need for all this unless you are competeing in a feather wieght class for a BB show. I think you are going to shrivel up and blow away using the DNP. This does not match your with your "goal of being as safe as humanly possible."

Thanks again for the concern, I do really appreicate it.

My reasoning on the diet:
I generated the diet and calories from Lyle McDonald's research. In short, fatter people can intake LESS calories and maintain a HIGHER deficit of calories (without losing Lean Body Mass) than someone who is leaner, like your girlfriend.

For example, while I am still fat, I can take in 1050 calories versus when I lean and will have to take in closer to 2000 calories. Same with your girlfriend, when she is at her 'fattest' she can take in fewer calories, than when she is leaner. For a PMSF, 1050 calories is actually high, the normal ranges are 600-900 calories, but I am a large person.

 

[iluvdeadlifts]

I'm sorry but I think 1050 calories is FAR too little. When you lower your calories that much you're going to slow down your metabolism no matter what. What is your height, weight, bf% etc. A strict diet, morning cardio on empty stomach (some may have different views on this) and workouts of less than 60 mins will all help to lower bodyfat. 3 hour workouts?! Waste of time. If going on a low carb diet, shouldn't you take in good fats as well?? Otherwise all you're providing your body with is protein, ergo, that is what it will burn for fuel (muscle)!

 

[Conciliator]

I'm sorry but I think 1050 calories is FAR too little. When you lower your calories that much you're going to slow down your metabolism no matter what. What is your height, weight, bf% etc. A strict diet, morning cardio on empty stomach (some may have different views on this) and workouts of less than 60 mins will all help to lower bodyfat. 3 hour workouts?! Waste of time. If going on a low carb diet, shouldn't you take in good fats as well?? Otherwise all you're providing your body with is protein, ergo, that is what it will burn for fuel (muscle)!

The drop in metabolic rate from dieting is not going to be that great. We're talking 5-15%. Morning cardio on an empty stomach is bad idea, as Alan Aragon has adeptly explained. There's also no pressing reason to keep workouts to under 60 min. A shorter workout doesn't mean more fat loss. If he's worried about catabolism, he can take a pre-workout shake or sip on a carb/protein drink during training. I do agree though that 3 hours is excessive though. He should be able to do everything he needs to do in under 2 hours. If not, he probably needs to increase his intensity.

As for energy substrate, he's doing a protein sparing modified fast. Almost all of his energy demands will be met by body fat. Some glucose will be needed for the brain and other tissues and protein will be broken down for this purpose. But that's why you maintain a really high protein intake, so dietary protein rather than body protein is used. Protein is the most protein-sparing macronutrient.

 

[HDH]

Alternating. Clen+DNP or EC+DNP.

Why is the asprin dropped while taking the DNP?

HDH

 

[personanonymous]

The drop in metabolic rate from dieting is not going to be that great. We're talking 5-15%. Morning cardio on an empty stomach is bad idea, as Alan Aragon has adeptly explained. There's also no pressing reason to keep workouts to under 60 min. A shorter workout doesn't mean more fat loss. If he's worried about catabolism, he can take a pre-workout shake or sip on a carb/protein drink during training. I do agree though that 3 hours is excessive though. He should be able to do everything he needs to do in under 2 hours. If not, he probably needs to increase his intensity.

As for energy substrate, he's doing a protein sparing modified fast. Almost all of his energy demands will be met by body fat. Some glucose will be needed for the brain and other tissues and protein will be broken down for this purpose. But that's why you maintain a really high protein intake, so dietary protein rather than body protein is used. Protein is the most protein-sparing macronutrient.

Of course, I could not have said it any better. For anyone wondering about my workouts, I should have said they include other activities besides lifting and cardio on a machine. So 1 hour might be for lifting, etc. but the other 1-2 hours might be a recreational sport(s).

Conciliator is right, that almost all of my energy demands are being met by body fat.

 

[personanonymous]

1) How do I "consume" the Clenbuterol/Ketotifen (AQUEOUS SOLUTION)? (injection/drink/eat)
CLENBUTEROL (AQUEOUS SOLUTION) - 100MCG/ML - 60ML VIAL
KETOTIFEN FUMARATE (AQUEOUS SOLUTION) - 1MG/ML - 60ML VIAL

2) They both come with a dropper, so I assume I just "drink" them?

3) If so, should I mix with water or just put on tongue?

4) Let's see if I understand how dosing works. If 1 ML gives me 100 MCG of Clen, then if I want to take a dose of 20 MCG, I would fill the dropper to .20 ML to take it?

 

[syntheticmuscle]

good luck bro