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What do you think of this? I was basically wondering about the Quality ... Powder quality of human vs UG ...............Human Grade VS. Underground Labs
UNDERGROUND GEAR COMPANIES EXPLAINED:
An undgeround steroids manufacturer is an operation that manufactureres steroids for sale on the black market. These 'companies' are not licensed, are not regulated, and operate in a completely illegal manner. There has been an amazing explosion of underground steroid manufacturing companies in the last few years as underground gear is cheaper than human grade pharmaceuticals, and often times also comes in higher concentrations.
There are a couple of considerations that must be taken into account when thinking about buying an underground steroid product. For one, you need to remember that you never truly know what you are getting!
A classic example is a UG lab, whose name i will leave out, that claimed to sell primobolan depot (methonolon enanthate) in 100mg/10ml vials. This lab had been around for a year or so and their reputation was solid. But a few customers sent the vials for lab testing and the vials containted absolutely no primobolan. In fact, the vials contained pure sesame oil. Shortly after the word spread and the lab folded.
Another lab claimed to sell trenbolone acetate (fina) in 125mg/10ml vials. But lab tests showed the vials to contain testesterone propionate. Keep in mind that trenbolone powder is about 10 times more expensive than testesterone powder.
The labs usually start out honestly and with good intentions. Their products are usually of high quality and are accurately dosed. But after building somewhat of a solid reputation, the quality diminishes and the lab either loses reputation or simply goes out of business. Unfortunately, this type of deception is becoming common trend.
But the most disturbing factor to consider is the issue of sterility after injecting. Abcess is an isolated accumulation of pus associated with a localized infection. Abscesses may result in tissue desctruction, pain and swelling, severe abscesses may require surgical drainage. Developing an abcess from steroids was not very common until underground products appeared.
Remember that most UG operations are shady, and nobody is looking over their shoulders making sure things are up to code. Almost none of them are making their drugs in a truly sterile enviorement either. In fact, most are probably made in someone's house. You can never be sure your product is clean or accurately dosed.
Given the nature of an illegal underground operation, the sterility and quality of theose products can never be full trusted!
Ok.. point delivered i think. Now lets shed some light on what is becoming a huge problem. Humans.... the greedy domesticated animals... always out to make an extra dollar. Unfortunately, many make those extra dollars by cheating us hard working bodybuilders.
20 years ago, when scoring gear, the chances of landing on fakes werent NEARLY as high as today. demand was very high, but counterfeiters did not jump on the idea until the early 90's. Nowadays, our market is flooded with garbage and its super critical to find a solid source that personally purchases gear in pharmacies abroad.
Human grade pharmaceutical anabolics are most often counterfeited. Organon yellows tops and schering primos dominate the charts, but test and the others are faked often as well. Human grade pharmaceutical ancillaries like clomid, nolvadex, proviron, and the others arent often counterfeited as the profits on ancillaries isnt that attractive.
but dont freak out just yet!!
The ink, label and vials/ampules can be examined and cross referenced. Elitefitness.com has an awesome counterfeit discussion board, and gear pictures board where you can compare your products to legit pics posted by well known vets and sources. we are fortunate to have easy access to the many boards on the net as 10 years ago that option was non-existent. So with little research, you can easily find out if you're indeed sitting on fakes.. I pray you never have a shadow of doubt... i always tell people: "finding a solid source helps me sleep good at night".
The biggest problem, nowadays, is trying to save a few dollar by purchasing underground gear instead of human grade pharmaceutical gear. Anybody with access to powders and the necessary ingredients can make gear out of home! Yes no fuckin shit!! Out of home.. this is no news, so no shock here... at least not for anybody whose been on the boards for a while.
Now.. most underground gear is legit and sanitary. I can count a dozen underground labs who make high quality gear at very attractive prices. But personally i would only really trust 3 or 4 labs that have been consistent over the years.
The problem is that we just DONT know whats inside the vial we purchaed. A perfect and well-known example that was discussed above was an underground lab (which i will not mention for politcally correct reasons) tried to make a 100mg/10ml vial of methonolone enanthate a.k.a 'primobolan depot'.
So lets look at it again...This lab had a very solid reputation. In fact, they were one of the most reputable labs on the black market. Excitement excitement as bb'ers couldnt wait to grab this underground primo at a fraction of the human grade price. Well... it backfired! dudes bought the vials and sent them to get lab tested. tests came out bogus! ZERO METHONOLONE ENANTHATE FOUND!!
Did that lab intentionally scam? I honestly dont think so. More likely, their powder source sold them bunk powder.
The lab had good intentions and got burnt! The result was dudes assed out of money!
Another example....
Underground lab makes test enanthate 250mg/10ml vial for a 1/4th of the cost of human grade enanthate. Dudes injects and develops an abscess... a nasty condition requiring surgery. not very cool!
Did the lab intentionally make the gear dirty? I honestly do not believe so.
But again, these are dudes working out of their homes, and while they try their best to keep a sanitary enviorement, that enviorement will never ever ever come nearly as sanitary as the pharmaceutical companies like schering, organon and the other big ones.
Another incosistency with underground gear is that a lab builds a solid rep, and then scams. I've witnesses 4 or 5 in the last few years that have scored huge scamming us hard working bb'ers.
If after digesting the above you arent 100% convinced that human grade gear is the only gear you should inject, please continue reading:
HUMAN GRADE PHARMACEUTICALS EXPLAINED:
Human grade pharmaceuticals are made my multi million dollar companies like organon, bayer, schering, and others. These are the same companies that produce the aspirin and tylenol that you buy in local pharmacies. The quality of human grade gear is tightly controlled by the FDA and DEA. With human grade gear, you can sleep good at night knowing you own the highest quality products made in a super sterile enviorement by professional chemists.
Trust your source.. trust your source... trust your source!! The following human grade steroids are most commonly used in bodybuilding today:
INJECTABLES:
sustanon 250 made by organon (turkey, pakistan, egypt, holland)
deca durabolin made by organon *also known as 'yellow tops'* (greece, holland)
primobolan depot made by schering (turkey)
winstrol depot *also known as zambons* (spain)
testoviron depot (pakistan)
ORALS:
anadrol *also known as anapolan* (turkey)
dianabol 5mg tabs (bulgaria, romania, thailand, russia)
winstrol tabs (china)
anavar 5mg tabs (china)
Your body is is YOUR body! Be smart and ONLY use human grade steroids!
UNDERGROUND GEAR COMPANIES EXPLAINED:
An undgeround steroids manufacturer is an operation that manufactureres steroids for sale on the black market. These 'companies' are not licensed, are not regulated, and operate in a completely illegal manner. There has been an amazing explosion of underground steroid manufacturing companies in the last few years as underground gear is cheaper than human grade pharmaceuticals, and often times also comes in higher concentrations.
There are a couple of considerations that must be taken into account when thinking about buying an underground steroid product. For one, you need to remember that you never truly know what you are getting!
A classic example is a UG lab, whose name i will leave out, that claimed to sell primobolan depot (methonolon enanthate) in 100mg/10ml vials. This lab had been around for a year or so and their reputation was solid. But a few customers sent the vials for lab testing and the vials containted absolutely no primobolan. In fact, the vials contained pure sesame oil. Shortly after the word spread and the lab folded.
Another lab claimed to sell trenbolone acetate (fina) in 125mg/10ml vials. But lab tests showed the vials to contain testesterone propionate. Keep in mind that trenbolone powder is about 10 times more expensive than testesterone powder.
The labs usually start out honestly and with good intentions. Their products are usually of high quality and are accurately dosed. But after building somewhat of a solid reputation, the quality diminishes and the lab either loses reputation or simply goes out of business. Unfortunately, this type of deception is becoming common trend.
But the most disturbing factor to consider is the issue of sterility after injecting. Abcess is an isolated accumulation of pus associated with a localized infection. Abscesses may result in tissue desctruction, pain and swelling, severe abscesses may require surgical drainage. Developing an abcess from steroids was not very common until underground products appeared.
Remember that most UG operations are shady, and nobody is looking over their shoulders making sure things are up to code. Almost none of them are making their drugs in a truly sterile enviorement either. In fact, most are probably made in someone's house. You can never be sure your product is clean or accurately dosed.
Given the nature of an illegal underground operation, the sterility and quality of theose products can never be full trusted!
Ok.. point delivered i think. Now lets shed some light on what is becoming a huge problem. Humans.... the greedy domesticated animals... always out to make an extra dollar. Unfortunately, many make those extra dollars by cheating us hard working bodybuilders.
20 years ago, when scoring gear, the chances of landing on fakes werent NEARLY as high as today. demand was very high, but counterfeiters did not jump on the idea until the early 90's. Nowadays, our market is flooded with garbage and its super critical to find a solid source that personally purchases gear in pharmacies abroad.
Human grade pharmaceutical anabolics are most often counterfeited. Organon yellows tops and schering primos dominate the charts, but test and the others are faked often as well. Human grade pharmaceutical ancillaries like clomid, nolvadex, proviron, and the others arent often counterfeited as the profits on ancillaries isnt that attractive.
but dont freak out just yet!!
The ink, label and vials/ampules can be examined and cross referenced. Elitefitness.com has an awesome counterfeit discussion board, and gear pictures board where you can compare your products to legit pics posted by well known vets and sources. we are fortunate to have easy access to the many boards on the net as 10 years ago that option was non-existent. So with little research, you can easily find out if you're indeed sitting on fakes.. I pray you never have a shadow of doubt... i always tell people: "finding a solid source helps me sleep good at night".
The biggest problem, nowadays, is trying to save a few dollar by purchasing underground gear instead of human grade pharmaceutical gear. Anybody with access to powders and the necessary ingredients can make gear out of home! Yes no fuckin shit!! Out of home.. this is no news, so no shock here... at least not for anybody whose been on the boards for a while.
Now.. most underground gear is legit and sanitary. I can count a dozen underground labs who make high quality gear at very attractive prices. But personally i would only really trust 3 or 4 labs that have been consistent over the years.
The problem is that we just DONT know whats inside the vial we purchaed. A perfect and well-known example that was discussed above was an underground lab (which i will not mention for politcally correct reasons) tried to make a 100mg/10ml vial of methonolone enanthate a.k.a 'primobolan depot'.
So lets look at it again...This lab had a very solid reputation. In fact, they were one of the most reputable labs on the black market. Excitement excitement as bb'ers couldnt wait to grab this underground primo at a fraction of the human grade price. Well... it backfired! dudes bought the vials and sent them to get lab tested. tests came out bogus! ZERO METHONOLONE ENANTHATE FOUND!!
Did that lab intentionally scam? I honestly dont think so. More likely, their powder source sold them bunk powder.
The lab had good intentions and got burnt! The result was dudes assed out of money!
Another example....
Underground lab makes test enanthate 250mg/10ml vial for a 1/4th of the cost of human grade enanthate. Dudes injects and develops an abscess... a nasty condition requiring surgery. not very cool!
Did the lab intentionally make the gear dirty? I honestly do not believe so.
But again, these are dudes working out of their homes, and while they try their best to keep a sanitary enviorement, that enviorement will never ever ever come nearly as sanitary as the pharmaceutical companies like schering, organon and the other big ones.
Another incosistency with underground gear is that a lab builds a solid rep, and then scams. I've witnesses 4 or 5 in the last few years that have scored huge scamming us hard working bb'ers.
If after digesting the above you arent 100% convinced that human grade gear is the only gear you should inject, please continue reading:
HUMAN GRADE PHARMACEUTICALS EXPLAINED:
Human grade pharmaceuticals are made my multi million dollar companies like organon, bayer, schering, and others. These are the same companies that produce the aspirin and tylenol that you buy in local pharmacies. The quality of human grade gear is tightly controlled by the FDA and DEA. With human grade gear, you can sleep good at night knowing you own the highest quality products made in a super sterile enviorement by professional chemists.
Trust your source.. trust your source... trust your source!! The following human grade steroids are most commonly used in bodybuilding today:
INJECTABLES:
sustanon 250 made by organon (turkey, pakistan, egypt, holland)
deca durabolin made by organon *also known as 'yellow tops'* (greece, holland)
primobolan depot made by schering (turkey)
winstrol depot *also known as zambons* (spain)
testoviron depot (pakistan)
ORALS:
anadrol *also known as anapolan* (turkey)
dianabol 5mg tabs (bulgaria, romania, thailand, russia)
winstrol tabs (china)
anavar 5mg tabs (china)
Your body is is YOUR body! Be smart and ONLY use human grade steroids!
I use only UG gear,which is why i'm asking. .. I always get good results,too
