Humana life group

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[stomps]

their prices look to good to be true

 

[Kamala]

Couldn't agree more. As I said earlier.

Why is me saying that IMO things could improve even more here...Being heard by you guys as:: "Things suck here, and I want eroids"

I just dont get it. I am not disagreeing with how things were handled in this case specifically. But the general attitude here, is overly cynical IMO. Which I already have said is better than the alternative, but it is a system which I believe could be improved, by becoming SLIGHTLY more moderate. Thats all. Apparently I am not conveying myself clearly, because everyone is misinterpreting me, the problem isnt with everyone else, apologies for that.

Ya'll are Ralph Nader right now, I want us to be Clinton.

I'd listen to any ideas you have with an open mind...... I have thought about it myself, and I don't know how..... In the end it comes down to who can we trust?

 

[Stretch]

I'd listen to any ideas you have with an open mind...... I have thought about it myself, and I don't know how..... In the end it comes down to who can we trust?

Well, I feel like it has changed slightly for the better recently, which is the only reason there are a few sources operating here now, and the members here are better for it. I have never seen 3 solid sources on meso before, so something has certainly changed.

But to your original point, forums are always a world of extremes. So no matter what, we will always be hot or cold never lukewarm, you guys have made me realize that. So, really I just think if we can keep treating sources with a; "prove it" attitude that would be what is best for everyone. But, I also think we should take some time to consider the fact that any source can make WAY more money being a legit source than by scamming.

 

[biggerben69]

I'd listen to any ideas you have with an open mind...... I have thought about it myself, and I don't know how..... In the end it comes down to who can we trust?

You're gonna have guys like me. You're gonna have guys like Stretch to bring a little bit of "Let's take a look here." which is great. There are a couple of sources here that are busy busy busy. I think things are going pretty well.

 

[nattydread]

Kcsman I joined a while back when I was soaking up all the info I could. Loved the picture forum where one could check their stuff to see if you got burned or not.
Well like I said before Humana is good guy. People should give him a try. You won't regret it.

 

[biggerben69]

Kcsman I joined a while back when I was soaking up all the info I could. Loved the picture forum where one could check their stuff to see if you got burned or not.
Well like I said before Humana is good guy. People should give him a try. You won't regret it.

He may be....humana just ventured over to my home board today. I just let him know we have paid sponsors there. He posted up like he did here like he was so happy to be there. Asked him not to hook there.

 

[humana]

Wow guys I didn't know a couple of posts would cause so much trouble. I'm truly sorry. You all take care and again...sorry if I stepped on any toes...I did say in my first or second post that if this was the wrong place to please delete.

I know of a ton of boards and I venture out...I didn't know it was against the law. Sorry.

 

[ChaseQ]

What you're saying makes sense except the number of sources that have a presence on Meso continues to grow.
So far, Meso is working exactly like it should, IMO.

There are a couple of sources here that are busy busy busy. I think things are going pretty well.

REALLY??? Ill have to completely disagree. Meso has a whopping 4? or 5? UGLs? I personally use 3 (that arent on this board) that have as good of products, for better prices with better customer service. (turn around time, communication and deals.)
Look at this way, if this is working optimally we would have a slew of options to choose from and the best product,prices and service available to the members, but let me assure you that we dont.

I personally think a group that runs off every potential new UGL does as much damage as a shill. What ends up happening is the potential customers are basically driving a monopoly under the delusion of "whats best for us".

Im sure if theres the slightest hiccup we will all be hearing about it very quickly.

Wow guys I didn't know a couple of posts would cause so much trouble. I'm truly sorry. You all take care and again...sorry if I stepped on any toes...I did say in my first or second post that if this was the wrong place to please delete.

I know of a ton of boards and I venture out...I didn't know it was against the law. Sorry.

humana's reaction shouldnt be a surprise...

Humana, you didnt step on anyones toes or break any laws...well you know what I mean.

Question, being new here on this board would you consider waiving your minimum order for a few of the Meso members that would be willing to try your product/service?

I think with your pricing, if your product is quality and service is top notch you would find a substantial amount of business here.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

I agree with waiving the minimum until some reviews start coming in. Are you willing to do this? You're prices are great but I want to see how the service is without spending $150 plus shipping. Also, how does the product look? I've seen places that write on vials with markers and it looks like shit from a resale point of view. I'd be embarrassed to give that to someone I know.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

REALLY??? Ill have to completely disagree. Meso has a whopping 4? or 5? UGLs? I personally use 3 (that arent on this board) that have as good of products, for better prices with better customer service. (turn around time, communication and deals.)
Look at this way, if this is working optimally we would have a slew of options to choose from and the best product,prices and service available to the members, but let me assure you that we dont.

I personally think a group that runs off every potential new UGL does as much damage as a shill. What ends up happening is the potential customers are basically driving a monopoly under the delusion of "whats best for us".

You make a good point but Meso members aren't obligated to ONLY use the sources that are here AND there's nothing stopping them from discussing and rating and using sources that aren't here.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, does it even matter if sources have a "physical" presence on Meso in order to judge them? I don't think it does. The more experienced guys get source recommendations from their board friends. Many boards don't even allow open discussion of sources - it's done through PM. My $0.02 so TIFWIW.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

After taking my own advice and re-reading the thread, youre right; thumbs' posts coincided with BBs, which started the firestorm.

Stretch, is that your girlfriend in your avatar? It has to be, I'd know that ass anywhere.

Take that picture again in direct sunlight against a neutral background, but with her square to the camera. It'll give a better result. Or you could get her to assume the position of your last avatar - that would be even better! :drooling:

 

[biggerben69]

I went back and read it again. Nobody flamed Humana. BB said he didn't know anyone that used Humana and that them dropping the name of a mod from pm, a scammer board, wasn't going to carry any weight here. He was just putting up the caution flag on a unknown source. Surely you don't have a problem with that!

The only flaming I've seen in this thread was on Thumbs The Shill.

I will say I have a personal issue with rajjin. He's well known and a mod at PM. I was banned there for calling out Pacman before he ran off with THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS from members there. My friend ItalianMuscle and others were also banned for the same shit. Pacman's gh was shown to be bunk. He had sent gh to "kilo club" members and mods to try for free...and to lab test. As Kamala has stated...of course that shit was good. Then the crap went to regular members. They were fucked. Then pacman came back as Horizon and fucked a bunch more people. It goes on over and over again. Same guys coming back to scam.
We called it before it happened. I had words with rajjin. Then he hurt my feelings when he called me fat and old. He was the catalyst to my regaining my serostim connect from yrs ago.

And you dont feel the attitude of the thread changed after BB posted?


And of course I dont have a problem with BBs post.

I don't want it to sound like I believe I am that important. But I realize that since I've started hanging around here again the last couple of years I've changed the tone here. It can get tough on some. But as Stretch said, it's still evolving here.

No, the attitude changed after Thumbs the Shill posted - especially because he was so belligerent. I can't believe we're even discussing this - you're too smart for this bullshit, Stretch.

Go look at the getm thread. When shills posted he got called for it and they stopped. That ended the hostility. It's not rocket science.

The problem with getting the vets to test products is you can be damn sure that what is sent to a vet will be top shelf gear that will get to its destination in record time. That's how it works on open source boards, the new sources target people with status IE Mods and Admins to give away freebies too.
I have had shitty sources on this board offer me free gear, I guess they figure that if what they send me is OK then I'll turn into a mouthpiece for their lab/source...... That shit doesn't go anywhere with me.

All the labs/sources that come here know the deal, this isn't a place where money and free shit buys them free reign to say whatever they want and censor what they don't like.
If they want a free pass where everybody clings to their balls, there's a million other places where a few bucks will achieve that. I mean do we want a board where everybody goes through the toughest questioning going, thus reducing the risk of members being scammed, or are we going to just assume that all these new labs/sources that keep popping up have good intentions? I see this for what I think it is, an illegal industry full of people that have no conscience, guys like Cote that have been around for years scamming and poisoning with zero regrets about it, guys like Z that have an army of internet bots paid to convince people black is white.

Truth.

I know I sound like a broken record....but..... What happens on the other boards when a vet does the opposite, and endorses a lab/source? IMHO usually a great big source loving circle jerk.

More truth.

Kcsman I joined a while back when I was soaking up all the info I could. Loved the picture forum where one could check their stuff to see if you got burned or not.
Well like I said before Humana is good guy. People should give him a try. You won't regret it.

Guys may not believe me, but I don't have a problem with these sources so much. My big problem is when it's obvious they bring shills/plants to push their shit. I don't believe them to be legitimate customers. Its a shitty shady business practice.
These UGL's popping up may have the best of intentions so they see nothing wrong with planting people to give them a jump start. Fuck that. That's dishonest and shady no matter what they or anyone says.

REALLY??? Ill have to completely disagree. Meso has a whopping 4? or 5? UGLs? I personally use 3 (that arent on this board) that have as good of products, for better prices with better customer service. (turn around time, communication and deals.)
Look at this way, if this is working optimally we would have a slew of options to choose from and the best product,prices and service available to the members, but let me assure you that we dont.

I personally think a group that runs off every potential new UGL does as much damage as a shill. What ends up happening is the potential customers are basically driving a monopoly under the delusion of "whats best for us".

Im sure if theres the slightest hiccup we will all be hearing about it very quickly.



humana's reaction shouldnt be a surprise...

Humana, you didnt step on anyones toes or break any laws...well you know what I mean.

Question, being new here on this board would you consider waiving your minimum order for a few of the Meso members that would be willing to try your product/service?

I think with your pricing, if your product is quality and service is top notch you would find a substantial amount of business here.

This isn't a source board. Anyone can say they are a lab and try selling whatever it is they claim. There is nobody checking their refs or past history. Why should they not be poked and prodded and thoroughly dissected? They want your money.
My thing is I don't want meso to turn into a merry go round of the same scammers building trust by filling a few orders and then taking a large number of members money. Pro Muscle is a money making merry go round for the same group of mods and vet members. It's the noobs and regular guys that get fucked. And it's big money.

 

[ChaseQ]

This isn't a source board. Anyone can say they are a lab and try selling whatever it is they claim. There is nobody checking their refs or past history. Why should they not be poked and prodded and thoroughly dissected? They want your money.
My thing is I don't want meso to turn into a merry go round of the same scammers building trust by filling a few orders and then taking a large number of members money. Pro Muscle is a money making merry go round for the same group of mods and vet members. It's the noobs and regular guys that get fucked. And it's big money.

Not a "source board" by the general interpretation its certainly a community that can NOW discuss sources openly. And if youve been in this game long you know the nature of the beast.

I say hell, poke and prod my friend! I just feel there could be some more leeway when a "new" UGL shows up...

Heres my take, and Im sure some will disagree with it...
1. We do our due diligence, ask questions and research. (This is different than them having to survive a full frontal assault![)])
2. We give them a solid chance to prove themselves.
3. When issues arise we get to the bottom of it.

Will some get burnt? YES! Fuck obviously, this can happen with any UGL. (Again, nature of the beast!) And if you dont think even the best can spoil youre a fool.

BUT, it will bring the best to the top, we will have the best selection and best prices and best service. These are just proven principles of a free market.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

Not a "source board" by the general interpretation its certainly a community that can NOW discuss sources openly. And if youve been in this game long you know the nature of the beast.

I say hell, poke and prod my friend! I just feel there could be some more leeway when a "new" UGL shows up...

Heres my take, and Im sure some will disagree with it...
1. We do our due diligence, ask questions and research. (This is different than them having to survive a full frontal assault![)])
2. We give them a solid chance to prove themselves.
3. When issues arise we get to the bottom of it.

Will some get burnt? YES! Fuck obviously, this can happen with any UGL. (Again, nature of the beast!) And if you dont think even the best can spoil youre a fool.

BUT, it will bring the best to the top, we will have the best selection and best prices and best service. These are just proven principles of a free market.

I agree to an extent. I was called a shill by a few members for trying to review a source. I can assure you that I won't be reviewing anymore sources on this board. I'll help out as much as I can through PM but there's a few douche bags here that feel they need to be obnoxious every time someone tries to help the community. The underground section isn't really working the way it should. Everyone is at each others throats all the time. Why would anyone suggest or review sources in the open? The only people who will post sources are the sources themselves.

 

[biggerben69]

Not a "source board" by the general interpretation its certainly a community that can NOW discuss sources openly. And if youve been in this game long you know the nature of the beast.

I say hell, poke and prod my friend! I just feel there could be some more leeway when a "new" UGL shows up...

Heres my take, and Im sure some will disagree with it...
1. We do our due diligence, ask questions and research. (This is different than them having to survive a full frontal assault![)])
2. We give them a solid chance to prove themselves.
3. When issues arise we get to the bottom of it.

Will some get burnt? YES! Fuck obviously, this can happen with any UGL. (Again, nature of the beast!) And if you dont think even the best can spoil youre a fool.

BUT, it will bring the best to the top, we will have the best selection and best prices and best service. These are just proven principles of a free market.

I think we all need to remember that what we're all openly discussing and some of you are doing buy making a purchase is a crime. This is a huge board. Make no mistake about it, LE is here.
That guy Robbie who was going on and on and sending pm's to myself and Kamala think this is a game. After all the shit I hit that guy with he thanked me knowing that if my guy can pull up all his personal shit that LE can do it.
These fly by night sources even if they deliver have all your personal info. One of these guys gets to big for their britches or they mess up an order and a pissed off member dimes on them then the feds will have your personal info. I'm telling you by them being in the wide open here it shows they don't know what in the fuck they are doing.
Now int is a different story...but these domestic guys it's just a matter of time before someone is cracked.
Also, many sources that were somewhat private have gone completely private. The feeling around the community is that another ORD is imminent.

I agree to an extent. I was called a shill by a few members for trying to review a source. I can assure you that I won't be reviewing anymore sources on this board. I'll help out as much as I can through PM but there's a few douche bags here that feel they need to be obnoxious every time someone tries to help the community. The underground section isn't really working the way it should. Everyone is at each others throats all the time. Why would anyone suggest or review sources in the open? The only people who will post sources are the sources themselves.

Hey, look at it as hazing...your initiation. You're one of us now. Even if you hate me I have to consider you one of us. You're an asset.
I'm also not quite certain how Millard wanted this section to work? I don't think he wanted it to be a craigslist for new UGL's? I could be wrong.

 

[Superman4hire]

IMO, its is better to have 2-3 sources with a long running history (preferably with a 1yr+) that have been vetted and proven trustworthy to consistently deliver solid product to guys we know and interact with daily, then 10-20 sources with one or two buys from board members. A couple of buys from Member X, and Member Y, what does that tell you? Not much.

Selective scammers generally do not fuck people over in the first months of going public, moving to a new board, etc. Its usually later, maybe due to supply vs. demand issues, to cut costs, i.e. business is good but profits could be better if…

Often the red flags were present but ignored. For instance Xandoz offered me free gear same as HERC. I didn’t take it, because I didn’t trust him, too many red flags… not worth the gear.

The problem is that there are a lot, I do mean A LOT, of selective scammers that only give a shit about one thing…. Themselves. They’ll happily rob you with a smile.

Do I think HERC is a good guy? I have no fucking idea if he is, or isn’t. Time will tell. He has made good so far. If he starts sending out crap gear next year, well, then I will gladly blast him.

Why do some UGLs make it, and some don’t? Good question. Everyone is free to make a decision. Personally, there are certain guys on this board whose opinion I trust. Likewise, I try to be open and honest, and if someone values my opinion because of this, then so be it. – They can also disagree.

As far as calling out “Shill” excessively. Are people getting screwed on this board? Answer: NO. Members are doing something right.

 

[Superman4hire]

I didn’t take it, because I didn’t trust him, too many red flags… not worth the gear.

A decision I stand by as the right decision.

 

[Superman4hire]

BB you make a good point.

 

[biggerben69]

And even if the source isn't cracked and you're having things delivered to your home, are you comfortable with whomever it is having your info?
The best thing to do is have yourself a box at a mail box etc or ups store. This won't protect you from LE but it will put somewhat of a layer between you and whomever these people are.
Some guys use a remailer. Things will take a few extra days as your stuff is criss crossing the country, but it's prudent.