Humana life group

[Kamala]

I agree to an extent. I was called a shill by a few members for trying to review a source. I can assure you that I won't be reviewing anymore sources on this board. I'll help out as much as I can through PM but there's a few douche bags here that feel they need to be obnoxious every time someone tries to help the community. The underground section isn't really working the way it should. Everyone is at each others throats all the time. Why would anyone suggest or review sources in the open? The only people who will post sources are the sources themselves.

I measure the UG section here by how many people have lost money to a scammer that operates out of here.....If you don't like it, you have every other board out there to use as an alternative.


I have my own source, and you know what? I haven't felt the need to tell the World about it. You know why? Because it can bring up questions about why I'm endorsing someone, and it makes me look like a schill or competition if I say someone is a scammer.
If I was a new guy, like yourself, and I went to a board and started immediately talking about a lab or source I would expect to get flamed to hell....... Because that is how these guys operate. If you don't want to be labeled a schill, then don't act like one, its that simple.

 

[Kamala]

REALLY??? Ill have to completely disagree. Meso has a whopping 4? or 5? UGLs? I personally use 3 (that arent on this board) that have as good of products, for better prices with better customer service. (turn around time, communication and deals.)
Look at this way, if this is working optimally we would have a slew of options to choose from and the best product,prices and service available to the members, but let me assure you that we dont.

I personally think a group that runs off every potential new UGL does as much damage as a shill. What ends up happening is the potential customers are basically driving a monopoly under the delusion of "whats best for us".

Im sure if theres the slightest hiccup we will all be hearing about it very quickly.



humana's reaction shouldnt be a surprise...

Humana, you didnt step on anyones toes or break any laws...well you know what I mean.

Question, being new here on this board would you consider waiving your minimum order for a few of the Meso members that would be willing to try your product/service?

I think with your pricing, if your product is quality and service is top notch you would find a substantial amount of business here.

OLM has a ton of choices, ology does too, throw e-roids in the mix....... Do we really need all of those guys having a presence over here? At what point would this go from being a discussion board to an open source board?

What I'm getting from this is you think that being able to discuss them isn't enough, and you want them over here with a banner?

 

[cornedbeefhash]

I measure the UG section here by how many people have lost money to a scammer that operates out of here.....If you don't like it, you have every other board out there to use as an alternative.


I have my own source, and you know what? I haven't felt the need to tell the World about it. You know why? Because it can bring up questions about why I'm endorsing someone, and it makes me look like a schill or competition if I say someone is a scammer.
If I was a new guy, like yourself, and I went to a board and started immediately talking about a lab or source I would expect to get flamed to hell....... Because that is how these guys operate. If you don't want to be labeled a schill, then don't act like one, its that simple.

I agree 100%. That's why I won't post sources here anymore. I'll keep my sources to myself and try to help where I can elsewhere.

 

[biggerben69]

I agree 100%. That's why I won't post sources here anymore. I'll keep my sources to myself and try to help where I can elsewhere.

Like Kamala, I wouldn't post one of the few sources I use. If I did I'd be cut off from them and a part of the community it took me years to be accepted into.
These guys that have been around for years don't want or need the publicity. They've built a solid customer base and value their freedom.
Also, being a private source only makes the odds better that they'll stay safe...doesn't guarantee it. Many guys buy to resell. If they got cracked some would and do roll. The long time sources still have layers and security measures that I know most of these new domestic sources do not.

 

[cornedbeefhash]

Like Kamala, I wouldn't post one of the few sources I use. If I did I'd be cut off from them and a part of the community it took me years to be accepted into.
These guys that have been around for years don't want or need the publicity. They've built a solid customer base and value their freedom.
Also, being a private source only makes the odds better that they'll stay safe...doesn't guarantee it. Many guys buy to resell. If they got cracked some would and do roll. The long time sources still have layers and security measures that I know most of these new domestic sources do not.

Solid wisdom right there!

 

[Kamala]

Like Kamala, I wouldn't post one of the few sources I use. If I did I'd be cut off from them and a part of the community it took me years to be accepted into.
These guys that have been around for years don't want or need the publicity. They've built a solid customer base and value their freedom.
Also, being a private source only makes the odds better that they'll stay safe...doesn't guarantee it. Many guys buy to resell. If they got cracked some would and do roll. The long time sources still have layers and security measures that I know most of these new domestic sources do not.

Fucking right.......

 

[Kamala]

I agree 100%. That's why I won't post sources here anymore. I'll keep my sources to myself and try to help where I can elsewhere.

I think you've gained acceptance, it was just that you came across bad initially. You just set some alarms off, that's all.

 

[ChaseQ]

OLM has a ton of choices, ology does too, throw e-roids in the mix....... Do we really need all of those guys having a presence over here? At what point would this go from being a discussion board to an open source board?

What I'm getting from this is you think that being able to discuss them isn't enough, and you want them over here with a banner?

Yes thats what Im saying...

For you. Strategies for critical thinking in learning, Part I

 

[Kamala]

Yes thats what Im saying...

For you. Strategies for critical thinking in learning, Part I

You're on here whining that there isn't enough to pick from, so you tell me- What is it that you want, if it isn't an open board?
Doesn't OLM have enough for you to pick from?
How do we invite a bunch of sources in, give them the benefit of the doubt, and not turn into ology or OLM? I'm just asking, and I'm more than willing to listen to your response with an open mind.

 

[ChaseQ]

I measure the UG section here by how many people have lost money to a scammer that operates out of here.....If you don't like it, you have every other board out there to use as an alternative.

You speaking in probabilities as if they can be absolutes. You cant have it both ways. Because the only way to reduce "how many people have lost money to a scammer that operates out of here" is to have zero UGLs mentioned in any way.

So when it does happen, and trust me it will, what then? Close this portion of the site all together?

You're on here whining that there isn't enough to pick from, so you tell me- What is it that you want, if it isn't an open board?
Doesn't OLM have enough for you to pick from?
How do we invite a bunch of sources in, give them the benefit of the doubt, and not turn into ology or OLM? I'm just asking, and I'm more than willing to listen to your response with an open mind.

I really think the issue is the perceived definition of, 'discussion board', 'source board', 'open board' or whatever we want to call it. I would argue they are all one in the same.

I would ask you how are we different from those boards you mentioned. (excluding the fact Meso doesnt censor, and thats not a future concern)

I would say the only major difference I see is we run most everyone off and a very small group stay around through some bizarre form of hazing/attrition.

And to someones point about having a few more UGLs represented here and not being able to poice it...do you realize at this moment there are over 7500 people viewing this site?!?!? I dont think a scammer will hide for long.

I say why not be up for the challenge? The best site for AAS knowledge, support and source? If I know one thing from being around here for years, is that this group is capable and up for the challenge.

 

[ChaseQ]

I measure the UG section here by how many people have lost money to a scammer that operates out of here.....If you don't like it, you have every other board out there to use as an alternative.

You speaking in probabilities as if they can be absolutes. You cant have it both ways. Because the only way to reduce "how many people have lost money to a scammer that operates out of here" is to have zero UGLs mentioned in any way.

So when it does happen, and trust me it will, what then? Close this portion of the site all together?

You're on here whining that there isn't enough to pick from, so you tell me- What is it that you want, if it isn't an open board?
Doesn't OLM have enough for you to pick from?
How do we invite a bunch of sources in, give them the benefit of the doubt, and not turn into ology or OLM? I'm just asking, and I'm more than willing to listen to your response with an open mind.

I really think the issue is the perceived definition of, 'discussion board', 'source board', 'open board' or whatever we want to call it. I would argue they are all one in the same.

I would ask you how are we different from those boards you mentioned. (excluding the fact Meso doesnt censor, and thats not a future concern)

I would say the only major difference I see is we run most everyone off and a very small group stay around through some bizarre form of hazing/attrition.

And to someones point about having a few more UGLs represented here and not being able to police it...do you realize at this moment there are over 7500 people viewing this site?!?!? I dont think a scammer will hide for long.

I say why not be up for the challenge? The best site for AAS knowledge, support and source? If I know one thing from being around here for years, is that this group is capable and up for the challenge.

 

[Millard]

We can't just go with the assumption that a new source that hardly anyone has heard of is trustworthy or reliable, they need to prove it......... The alternative is a board where that approval is bought & paid for, and that always leads to trouble for the customer.

Millard has a unique experiment going that is unlike other forums...time will tell.

So far, Meso is working exactly like it should, IMO.

All the labs/sources that come here know the deal, this isn't a place where money and free shit buys them free reign to say whatever they want and censor what they don't like.

If they want a free pass where everybody clings to their balls, there's a million other places where a few bucks will achieve that. I mean do we want a board where everybody goes through the toughest questioning going, thus reducing the risk of members being scammed, or are we going to just assume that all these new labs/sources that keep popping up have good intentions?

Guys may not believe me, but I don't have a problem with these sources so much. My big problem is when it's obvious they bring shills/plants to push their shit. I don't believe them to be legitimate customers. Its a shitty shady business practice.

These UGL's popping up may have the best of intentions so they see nothing wrong with planting people to give them a jump start. Fuck that. That's dishonest and shady no matter what they or anyone says.

This isn't a source board. Anyone can say they are a lab and try selling whatever it is they claim. There is nobody checking their refs or past history. Why should they not be poked and prodded and thoroughly dissected? They want your money.

My thing is I don't want meso to turn into a merry go round of the same scammers building trust by filling a few orders and then taking a large number of members money. Pro Muscle is a money making merry go round for the same group of mods and vet members. It's the noobs and regular guys that get fucked. And it's big money.

The questions, the criticisms, the skepticism, the cynicism, the discussion and the tireless efforts by you guys at keeping it real and honest have made this section something special. Thank you :tiphat

 

[ChaseQ]

The questions, the criticisms, the skepticism, the cynicism, the discussion and the tireless efforts by you guys at keeping it real and honest have made this section something special. Thank you :tiphat

I was looking forward to you jumping in.

I think I can speak for everyone when I say you deserve the 'thanks' for providing the forum to do this.

 

[Kamala]

The questions, the criticisms, the skepticism, the cynicism, the discussion and the tireless efforts by you guys at keeping it real and honest have made this section something special. Thank you :tiphat

Its your board dude, your one of the few that would allow it.

 

[Kamala]

I really think the issue is the perceived definition of, 'discussion board', 'source board', 'open board' or whatever we want to call it. I would argue they are all one in the same.

I would ask you how are we different from those boards you mentioned. (excluding the fact Meso doesnt censor, and thats not a future concern)

I would say the only major difference I see is we run most everyone off and a very small group stay around through some bizarre form of hazing/attrition.

And to someones point about having a few more UGLs represented here and not being able to poice it...do you realize at this moment there are over 7500 people viewing this site?!?!? I dont think a scammer will hide for long.

I say why not be up for the challenge? The best site for AAS knowledge, support and source? If I know one thing from being around here for years, is that this group is capable and up for the challenge.

Honestly I'm kind of confused at how you can't see the difference between this board and one where an lab pays 3k a month for a banner, or pays off all the mods & admins for endorsements.

An open source board gets money to advertise labs and sponsors, that's my definition of it. Far as I know, that doesn't happen here.
When "sponsor" money comes into the picture, it completely changes things..... I mean if I was taking free gear from a lab and praising them daily, would that opinion be objective or paid for?

 

[nattydread]

Bigben69
I am in no way a fraud or in biz with Humana. He is one of the sources I use. I saw him on this board and thought I would let anyone interested know that he is a solid guy with good product. I use other sources as well and I am in no way being compensated for giving my opinion of Humana.

 

[nattydread]

Bigben69
If you like look me up on other boards. I give props where props are due. And that's it. You make it seem like this is a conspiracy theory out to get you.

 

[Mr. Joe]

I think of Meso Rx as a shining example of the power of a moderately regulated free market. Fierce competition + uncensored customer feedback = self regulating quality control + healthier market for industry and consumer alike. :tiphat to you Millard.

 

[Superman4hire]

Bigben69
If you like look me up on other boards. I give props where props are due. And that's it. You make it seem like this is a conspiracy theory out to get you.

Nat, you been around since '07 with little to no activity. In fact most of your 7 posts have been on this source humana. Where did you hear about this source? You mention other boards. What boards are you on where you actually contributed to meaningful posts (I don't mean a couple of short meaningless posts either)? Its a little bit suspect to me, i.e, a red flag. Take offense if you want, but I don't know you, or this source? This means that I have no reason to believe a dam thing you say. It takes virtually no effort at all to create an account, and hang on to it for a bit. I'm not calling you a liar, but there are a lot of shills, plants, and folks that can be bought, dishonest, etc.

I have not seen any action that leads me to believe you are trustworthy. I'm not saying you are not. I suppose I could be the optimist and believe the best in everyone... are you fucking kidding NO.

Tell you what... give me $1,000 and I'll turn it into $100,000 in 6 mo, sound good? You can trust me. - See my point.

 

[Superman4hire]

I should also let you know that my comments are not about you personally. I am simply referring to giving credibility to just anybody.