Husband on Androgel, worried about the rest of the family

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I am seeking help here because I am not finding it anywhere else. My husband is 45, showed low test. for his age, 45. Went on Androgel 5mg the same time he went on Zoloft 50mg. I tried to tell him not to start both the same day because you would not be able to figure out side effects if you had to but he did not listen. First 6 weeks were great. Saw dip mid December but not sure if it was due to seasonal affective disorder problem he has (we live in New England). Dr. doubled his Zoloft to 100 mg. and saw libido disappear. At the same time he had test. level done and saw that his number had gone from 390 (pre-Androgel) to 300 (post Androgel 5mg usage). Endo told him to go from 5mg to 7.5 mg for a few days and then go to 10mg. Did not listen to her, went straight to 10mg. He was very argumentative and yelling yesterday. Saying mean things to me. ETC. Annoying to kids/teasing them. I cannot deal with this part of him because he went off Paxil one year ago cold turkey (see a pattern with him not listening to dr's re: meds?) and he deteriorated into a violent jerk with extreme mood swings and got in trouble with cops. He left for a month and decided we should make it work...went though anger mgmt and counseling requirements from court. Once he went on Zoloft and 5mg Androgel, he improved. However his behavior for just the past 2 days on the 10 mg Andro. is scaring me. I think I remember that he was like this for a little while when he started on 5mg. but then calmed down. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME? Can this happen when someone doubles a dose? Can a guy calm down once your system gets used to the increased dosage? I desperately need someone to answer me because if he gets worse, like last year, I will need to leave him. This behavior is not ok, especially with children around. PLEASE HELP/ANSWER

BBC3 is quote obviously insane. I came here for help. You do not know us. You do not know that if he was like this to begin with, I would never have married him. I am the one chasing him. I have never lost my sexual appetite for him. I am the one requesting movies, dinners, buying lingerie. HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS CHANGED. I have supported him by going to doctors and trying to help research things for him. I gave us a chance even after he raised his hand to me, had my young son by the shoulders on the ground when he tried to defend me...why, because he was never like this before. He was a great guy and I suspected a problem with either depression or low T which would explain his mood problems. I could go on and on but I won't give you the satisfaction. I know someone exactly like you...people like you thrive on upsetting people, riling them up, and negative emotion. It appears from the length of your post and your grandiosity that you are most likely a person suffering from bipolar disorder. Could it be that you are off of your meds or you are not "person" enough (I won't say "man" enough because that does not suit you) to pursue treatment of your disorder.

Thank you to everyone who has been supportive.

I came to this site because it is difficult to find real-file Androgel users who are frank and honest. I wanted to see men actually post their true experiences. The same side effects that are specified on the Androgel web site and package info are repeated across the web on tons of sites. I wanted to get true feedback. I will post his numbers tomorrow.

BBC3 - I beg to differ. Bipolar is your true diagnosis. Read up on it and stop the denial.

My husband is a retired public safety officer (47 yo, retired with pension after 20 years). We still have a young child so is working a laid-back driving job he likes. He is a changed person after the 20 year public safety job (for the worse). Very angry, depression that presents with anger issues especially in winter (seasonal affective disorder). Child of an alcoholic who died from cirrhosis, a veteran (Navy on carrier...no combat but saw men die in machinery, etc.) Had to clean up after suicides with public safety job. Showing signs of PTSD, hypervigilance, etc. He had a breakdown two years ago after stopping Paxil cold turkey. Got in trouble with domestic issue at home, did what the state made him do to nolly the charge, entered marriage counseling with me, started Zoloft. Unfortunately, started Androgel at the same time so it is impossible to tell what the deal is now. He has since also had to go on Risperdol for additional issues. When he uses his Androgel, we all (kids and I) want to leave the house. Within a few minutes/hour and for many hours after, he is aggressive, boisterous, peeking at neighbors through the curtains and berating them, mean, verbally abusive, needling us about insanely tiny issues (like the noise a chair makes when you slide out from the table). He acts like a three-year old. Endo cut dose in half last year after he would get so angry that he would spit when he was yelling. That improved slightly but he is still way over the top. I fear that without the Zoloft and Risperdol he would be arrested again. When endo checked aromatase last time it was normal (really normal...not just what endos say is "within range"...believe me, I did my reseach). Some days he is better after application....weekends are horrible. I think that when he applies during the week he goes to work right after so many hours elapse before he is in our presence again. Weekends we are all around immediately after application. Please help if you have any ideas about what is going on here. I am ready to contact endo and complain (and yes, she does consider spouse's input). Please no negative comments. Truly looking to maintain peace in a marriage that survived twenty years of a career with an 85 percent divorce rate. Don't want Androgel to end our marriage. P.S. there is also a maternal family history of untreated depression and maternal aunt with schizophrenia.
 
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A question such as yours is one I have not seen. The odds are that this is more of a psychological issue rather than a medical one. Perhaps you should talk to his doctor about this.
 
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One have to look at this person from a complete medical background also including psychological, hormonal, nutritoinal, and also lifestlye basis to get a full understanding of what is really going on here. Hormonally it can affect the psychological aspect of a person, but this need to be ruled out with proper indept testing. DR O takes some insurance and people have made the trip down from clear across other side of the country to see us to find out what is really going on here at the core source of the problem. We are just located out side philly. My contact information is below..
 
I am seeking help here because I am not finding it anywhere else. My husband is 45, showed low test. for his age, 45. Went on Androgel 5mg the same time he went on Zoloft 50mg. I tried to tell him not to start both the same day because you would not be able to figure out side effects if you had to but he did not listen. First 6 weeks were great. Saw dip mid December but not sure if it was due to seasonal affective disorder problem he has (we live in New England). Dr. doubled his Zoloft to 100 mg. and saw libido disappear. At the same time he had test. level done and saw that his number had gone from 390 (pre-Androgel) to 300 (post Androgel 5mg usage). Endo told him to go from 5mg to 7.5 mg for a few days and then go to 10mg. Did not listen to her, went straight to 10mg. He was very argumentative and yelling yesterday. Saying mean things to me. ETC. Annoying to kids/teasing them. I cannot deal with this part of him because he went off Paxil one year ago cold turkey (see a pattern with him not listening to dr's re: meds?) and he deteriorated into a violent jerk with extreme mood swings and got in trouble with cops. He left for a month and decided we should make it work...went though anger mgmt and counseling requirements from court. Once he went on Zoloft and 5mg Androgel, he improved. However his behavior for just the past 2 days on the 10 mg Andro. is scaring me. I think I remember that he was like this for a little while when he started on 5mg. but then calmed down. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME? Can this happen when someone doubles a dose? Can a guy calm down once your system gets used to the increased dosage? I desperately need someone to answer me because if he gets worse, like last year, I will need to leave him. This behavior is not ok, especially with children around. PLEASE HELP/ANSWER


It sounds like the same doctor is treating both concerns. If this is the case, it might be of benefit to separate the caretakers. Regardless, you should be part of the healthcare with the doctor. In other words, you should be there and be able to contact the doctor about problems, etc. Your husband should not have a problem with the both of you visiting the doctor to discuss the immediate issues.
 
One have to look at this person from a complete medical background also including psychological, hormonal, nutritoinal, and also lifestlye basis to get a full understanding of what is really going on here. Hormonally it can affect the psychological aspect of a person, but this need to be ruled out with proper indept testing. DR O takes some insurance and people have made the trip down from clear across other side of the country to see us to find out what is really going on here at the core source of the problem. We are just located out side philly. My contact information is below..


HAN: this post does nothing to address the thread issue. Your post is self-serving, selfish, and ego-maniacal. You are not a magic potion nor educated in the least to care for an individual. I would like to know if Dr. O has given you a release to speak for him? You are in dangerous territory by your supposed expertise and claims for treatments. STOP THE MARKETING AND CONTRIBUTE OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
 
Your post stems more from the fact it looks like he suffers from a psychological issue/issues, I do not think the androgel is causing him to be that way. I few family members of mine went on androgel and the immediate improvement was mood, the dosage has been all over the board, from 7.5g to 10g a day, no issues, just a better quality of life.

I will say certain pyschartic drugs to affect libido, but I'm not an expert in this area, best is to pull up the side effects or look on the sheet for the prescription. The increased dose of zoloft may be the problem affecting his mood, that might not be the right script for him, I'd go back to the dr with him, and both of you be involved with them. Whatever the case he should never stop zoloft cold turkey, those drugs need to be tapered.



I am seeking help here because I am not finding it anywhere else. My husband is 45, showed low test. for his age, 45. Went on Androgel 5mg the same time he went on Zoloft 50mg. I tried to tell him not to start both the same day because you would not be able to figure out side effects if you had to but he did not listen. First 6 weeks were great. Saw dip mid December but not sure if it was due to seasonal affective disorder problem he has (we live in New England). Dr. doubled his Zoloft to 100 mg. and saw libido disappear. At the same time he had test. level done and saw that his number had gone from 390 (pre-Androgel) to 300 (post Androgel 5mg usage). Endo told him to go from 5mg to 7.5 mg for a few days and then go to 10mg. Did not listen to her, went straight to 10mg. He was very argumentative and yelling yesterday. Saying mean things to me. ETC. Annoying to kids/teasing them. I cannot deal with this part of him because he went off Paxil one year ago cold turkey (see a pattern with him not listening to dr's re: meds?) and he deteriorated into a violent jerk with extreme mood swings and got in trouble with cops. He left for a month and decided we should make it work...went though anger mgmt and counseling requirements from court. Once he went on Zoloft and 5mg Androgel, he improved. However his behavior for just the past 2 days on the 10 mg Andro. is scaring me. I think I remember that he was like this for a little while when he started on 5mg. but then calmed down. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME? Can this happen when someone doubles a dose? Can a guy calm down once your system gets used to the increased dosage? I desperately need someone to answer me because if he gets worse, like last year, I will need to leave him. This behavior is not ok, especially with children around. PLEASE HELP/ANSWER
 
He and I work together and YES I have his permission because he trust me 100% and we both believe in the same approach. We are constantly learning new things and expanding our knowledge. . We are extremely conservative on our approach and follow proper guideline staying in the physiological ranges. Wasn't it like one time that people like your self came up with abstract ideas of testosterone were not taking seriously then several years later people began to rethink that you may have been right?. Just because there are not scientific studies now does not mean few years down the road that may be we where on to something that traditional medicine did not accept at the time. Its called being a leader and trying new approaches rather then just seeing get worse. Adversiting no notifying there are people that are actually out there to help YES...

Less I am around the more responses hmmmmm....interesting.
 
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Let me start by saying you came to the right place. And I am yur man, so to speak.:D

The issues are clearly both psychological and physical. This is the perfect "Golf" scenario for discussion of marriage and hormones. Golf is 100% mental, while 100% physical as the same time. This chicken and Egg can go round for ever as an epitomey of conundrum.

I will first tell you that my family story is very similar. I will then tell you that how can you be expected to receive help, when you cant even help yourself.!! This is the man YOU Married.! Surely he was not always like this. Or was he? You married him knowing so shame on you if you are not prepared to help. Oh, he wasn't? Well, either way, I will resolve your issues. If you listen, your problems will be over and you will all go on to have a happy life from here after.

The conditions you speak of are not "abnormal" by any means. They are prevelant and looked the other way in society. The only merit to the real extent they are occuring is the fact of the recent acknowledgement of domestic violence (from either party) in society today, and marked by the current crack down on offenders.

You husband is having issues of love and trust as he is feeling neglected by YOU!!! Men and women are totally different. What you think is support (for you), is nothing more than to be discounted for him. Why did your husband marry you? Because he liked your looks and smell. Don't argue that you brains had any play because by the time he determined whether or not you had one, he was too deep into your temptress scent to really care, or much less call it off. That is unless you proved to be a total idiot. And still, you know how permanent connections become once they hit a certain threshold of exposure. Stick around.

I will now further elaborate on why YOU are the problem. Simply put he is having problems. You are there to support him however, and resolve them, same as he does for you. A friend of mine was once argueing with his wife about wanting to have sex. He stated that is he test drives a car, and the radio works, he expects it to keep on working. This has deeper meaning than you think right now. A man goes after a woman for hormonaly and sexual reasons alone. This is because we were made to have sex everyday, and with as many women as possible. Thus procreating society with a healthy genetic variation. Women were made to want to have sex (hormonally speaking as well), once a month. What this effectively did was keep a DIFFERENT ONE ready, wanting, and available to the many everyday needs of many men. Hence you have a sum total healthy procreation of humanity as a biological species. When your husband chose you to fulfill his needs, this was a much taller order than you, or most women ever realized. He has not only given up his right to conquest and satisfy his genetic needs, he has trusted you to be to ONE to satisfy them. To remove sexual interest from the equation post marriage (as all women do), is to take that functioning radio out of the car he purchased. So what does he now do?
(1) Return the car and get another one that works?
(2) Take the one he has out for repairs?
(3) Purchase a new radio and install it himself?
(4) Give up and start walking?

#1 does not work. He has vested too much interest in you. Money, childern, trust, and faith.
#2 Could work if he even forsight to complain, knows what shop to take it to, and know what he actually wants the radio to do and how to request or find out.
#3 He could simply borrow another car, or sit in someone else's temporarily. But this would be an example of mitigating his suffereing by cheating on you. He knows the end result would lose you. After all he chose you for a reason of preference. He does not want this or you would never hear him complain. And once he got comfortable in that new car, he simply would not get back in the old one sooner or later.
#4 He could just say "fuck it", and live quietly in suffering. Many men do. They have to give up their will for zest in life and just sink into the recliner miserably sucking away on beer to forget. He is trying to do this now in order to make things work. But his natural manhood is still resisting. So he has not yet fully made a decision based on the current cicumstances in hopes they will get better for him.

So what is your role? You are, or were, obvously satisfied with what he does for you. At least long enough to sink into your current position of neglect thus allowing him to feel like this for long enough to start acting it out. Obviously he is a good father and the one you want. Thats why you chose him isn't it? He is there for you and the male rock that a family needs for secure and sound foundation. SO WHY ARE YOU DISCOUNTING HIM AND ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??

The only thing that has changed is your respect and appreciation for him. This discounting is always the reason for the lack of sexual interest in him that results in these problems. You were still getting all those things you needed all the long, so why have you stopped giving him what he needs? Remember what I said about the reason he married you.

The problem is that you are not appreciating him THE WAY HE NEEDS TO BE APPRECIATED!! He needs sex. But bigger than that. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIMPLE ACT OF SEX.. It is about your desire for him. And you demonstrating to him that you are attracted to him in that way. You say, "we have plenty of sex, twice a week!!!". I will give you that twice a week is an acceptable number and will serve in lieu of the one to three times a day and with different women our genetics are founded on, but it has to be the right way. My wife once demonstrated to me the value of her not wanting to have sex by just lying there totally uninterested like a rag doll. I could not even finish as a joke, before I realize it was pointless. What I did not realize at the time was the value of her interest.!!! So in short, you can ask him if he wants to have sex, even reach over and tap him on the shoulder, or tell him to fuck you now before he goes nutty, BUT THIS IS ALL USELESS, IF NOT INFURIATING!!!!

When you were dating or early in marriage, not only how ofter did you want to have sex with him, and how ofter did you do it, but did you really know the value back then, and consciously? You at least knew it subconsciously. It is proven in the fact that everytime you wanted something, or wanted to reward him for something, YOU USED SEX!!!! You used increased sexual desire as presented to him when you thought it was time to get a ring. You showed desire for him whenever he got a good job, a bonus, or made a positive financial gain. You even simply rewarded him for taking you out to dinner with a blowjob perhaps!! What kind of abusive hippocracy is this??? But as time has progressed, you have discounted his need for affirmation. Dinners are now given with marriage, his income stream and future as a producer is now limiting, you already have the ring. So now you only have expectations, rather than appreciation for what he brings to the table. You have discounted his fundamental needs to be desired and valued in the way that men REQUIRE!!!!!!!!!!

So what has changed? Were you lieing to his all along? And just to get what you wanted? Probably not or you would not have had his children, and you would not be dealing with this current obvious rejection of status quo. So what are you waiting for? You dont think that he really acknowledged the time you gave him oral sex and even swallowed or took it in your mouth? You KNOW he acknowledged it, You just did not understand the importance.!! This was to you the highest act of interest in him you could have possibly showed. WELL? Exactly, that interest is not being shown, so what is he to think?

He interprets your lack of sexual desire as a disownership of him and more!! He sees that he has spent the best part of his life with you and for nothing if it turns out it was all a lie to achieve a gain. He GAVE YOU CHILDREN. He did not use you to have them. This is where we differ YOU COME FIRST FOR US. If your love and desire is not present, the REST is mute.. His act of leaving the house for a month was an attempt to find a place where he can again be desired, and a protest of the lack of desire you show him, as he has no interest in being with someone how does not like him in this way. His recent acting out in front of the children is an even further showing of his determination to prove to himself that you will not make him happy and prove to himself that the children do not exist without your love. At least children from a standpoint as a father in a family where he is not desired by him most important and trusted confidant. You are betraying him as far as his genetics are telling him. And you are not longer attracted to his as is displayed in your lack of interest in him sexually, as he understands it. You can love him in your own way all you want, he needs his way. Just the same as he is there for you in the ways you have come to discount.

You can't just be a bump on a log. You have to express DESIRE FOR HIM. He really needs to know that you are CRAVING HIM INSIDE YOU!!!! Short of this you are not conveying the message. So put yourself back in your shoes you wore when you respected him so much that you would do ANYTHING to get him. Thats who he married. Nothing has changed for you. Why would you think it has changed for him? If you go tell him how much you love him in a sexual way, climb on him, and demand he come all over you and just rub it all over your body like it is health elixer, this is more effective as non-acknowledged sex for 7 days straight. YOU have to show him that you CRAVE HIM in this way....

The antidepressants were just another way of trying to settle into that recliner and forget his dismay. Clearly his removal of them from his life was his first clear sign that he was not going to accept his current status of "inappreciation" any longer. You missed that one a long time ago. Even before he started taking them as a means to cope. He is probably also declining in hormones right now as well, THUS HIGHLIGHTING the fact that he is loosing the last of his youth, and FURTHER INFURIATING HIM that you are more than happy to watch him fade away to his coffen unattended. There is nothing wrong with his need to replace his hormones, but it will further antagonize the situation if not corrected.

You say "ANTAGONIZE??" ,, "SITUATION??""..... Did you hear a word I said, You are the problem. DO YOU REALLY LOVE HIM? Are you really willing to risk your family and sacrifice further happiness for the sake a argument? You know I am correct. YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW TO MAKE HIM HAPPY...... You know how to get whatever in the world you want. You remain oblivious and spoiled by the constant desire offered by him, and the fact that you are getting yours already. Use your head and quit being obstinant. Your entire future is at stake.

You could negatively sit back now and go "damn if he is right, I just cant handle all that sex!!". Yes I am aware of this. That again proven by your monthly cycle. But what you are discounting is the value of you shown affection. I will GUARANTEE YOU that if you just spend a month straight of heavy attention, he will not even care if you nail him anymore! At least for a few days or a week. But THAT IS THE POINT!! IT really is not an all or nothing type proposition. That is what I am telling you. You have just let too much damage go on for too long.. How can I prove this? We all want what we cant have. You are completely satisfied as you are smothered in his deisre for you affection. Quit selfishly abusing this love. So you can see that once he is convinced you desire him. There will be nothing left to want, other than happy nights around the house with his family:). If you truely convey to him your physical attraction and NEED for his cock as you personal "love toy", he will soon enough understand that this is unquestionable beyond a doubt and ease up to a healthy twice a week lifestyle. BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM COUNT LIKE HE NEEDS THEM TO!!!! And as you would have in the past..

How to reverse this landslide of damage unveiling. FORGET THE PAST TILL NOW. EVEN FOR GET SOME MINOR PUNCHES STILL TO BE THROWN AS HE IS BEING CONVINCED. Call him now a tell him you have been missing the way things were in the past and you want to take him to dinner. Hire a babysitter. Rent a fllthy "theme" hotel room and take him there to show him something after dinner. Ignore any negatives out of his mouth on the way to your happy marriage as he is still being convinced. It took two to tango. Now tango like you did when you met him. Like he needs you to.... I wll guarantee a happy life from here on if you listen.

My fee will now be $10,000.00. What? Believe me you just got a cut rate special considering what you really stand to loose... I am so confident it will work, you can pay me later.....;)

If you have read to any distain or unclarity. READ AGAIN. I have given you the secret to man. Consider yourself blessed.



I am seeking help here because I am not finding it anywhere else. My husband is 45, showed low test. for his age, 45. Went on Androgel 5mg the same time he went on Zoloft 50mg. I tried to tell him not to start both the same day because you would not be able to figure out side effects if you had to but he did not listen. First 6 weeks were great. Saw dip mid December but not sure if it was due to seasonal affective disorder problem he has (we live in New England). Dr. doubled his Zoloft to 100 mg. and saw libido disappear. At the same time he had test. level done and saw that his number had gone from 390 (pre-Androgel) to 300 (post Androgel 5mg usage). Endo told him to go from 5mg to 7.5 mg for a few days and then go to 10mg. Did not listen to her, went straight to 10mg. He was very argumentative and yelling yesterday. Saying mean things to me. ETC. Annoying to kids/teasing them. I cannot deal with this part of him because he went off Paxil one year ago cold turkey (see a pattern with him not listening to dr's re: meds?) and he deteriorated into a violent jerk with extreme mood swings and got in trouble with cops. He left for a month and decided we should make it work...went though anger mgmt and counseling requirements from court. Once he went on Zoloft and 5mg Androgel, he improved. However his behavior for just the past 2 days on the 10 mg Andro. is scaring me. I think I remember that he was like this for a little while when he started on 5mg. but then calmed down. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME? Can this happen when someone doubles a dose? Can a guy calm down once your system gets used to the increased dosage? I desperately need someone to answer me because if he gets worse, like last year, I will need to leave him. This behavior is not ok, especially with children around. PLEASE HELP/ANSWER
 
Let me start by saying you came to the right place. And I am yur man, so to speak.:D

The issues are clearly both psychological and physical. This is the perfect "Golf" scenario for discussion of marriage and hormones. Golf is 100% mental, while 100% physical as the same time. This chicken and Egg can go round for ever as an epitomey of conundrum.

I will first tell you that my family story is very similar. I will then tell you that how can you be expected to receive help, when you cant even help yourself.!! This is the man YOU Married.! Surely he was not always like this. Or was he? You married him knowing so shame on you if you are not prepared to help. Oh, he wasn't? Well, either way, I will resolve your issues. If you listen, your problems will be over and you will all go on to have a happy life from here after.

The conditions you speak of are not "abnormal" by any means. They are prevelant and looked the other way in society. The only merit to the real extent they are occuring is the fact of the recent acknowledgement of domestic violence (from either party) in society today, and marked by the current crack down on offenders.

You husband is having issues of love and trust as he is feeling neglected by YOU!!! Men and women are totally different. What you think is support (for you), is nothing more than to be discounted for him. Why did your husband marry you? Because he liked your looks and smell. Don't argue that you brains had any play because by the time he determined whether or not you had one, he was too deep into your temptress scent to really care, or much less call it off. That is unless you proved to be a total idiot. And still, you know how permanent connections become once they hit a certain threshold of exposure. Stick around.

I will now further elaborate on why YOU are the problem. Simply put he is having problems. You are there to support him however, and resolve them, same as he does for you. A friend of mine was once argueing with his wife about wanting to have sex. He stated that is he test drives a car, and the radio works, he expects it to keep on working. This has deeper meaning than you think right now. A man goes after a woman for hormonaly and sexual reasons alone. This is because we were made to have sex everyday, and with as many women as possible. Thus procreating society with a healthy genetic variation. Women were made to want to have sex (hormonally speaking as well), once a month. What this effectively did was keep a DIFFERENT ONE ready, wanting, and available to the many everyday needs of many men. Hence you have a sum total healthy procreation of humanity as a biological species. When your husband chose you to fulfill his needs, this was a much taller order than you, or most women ever realized. He has not only given up his right to conquest and satisfy his genetic needs, he has trusted you to be to ONE to satisfy them. To remove sexual interest from the equation post marriage (as all women do), is to take that functioning radio out of the car he purchased. So what does he now do?
(1) Return the car and get another one that works?
(2) Take the one he has out for repairs?
(3) Purchase a new radio and install it himself?
(4) Give up and start walking?

#1 does not work. He has vested too much interest in you. Money, childern, trust, and faith.
#2 Could work if he even forsight to complain, knows what shop to take it to, and know what he actually wants the radio to do and how to request or find out.
#3 He could simply borrow another car, or sit in someone else's temporarily. But this would be an example of mitigating his suffereing by cheating on you. He knows the end result would lose you. After all he chose you for a reason of preference. He does not want this or you would never hear him complain. And once he got comfortable in that new car, he simply would not get back in the old one sooner or later.
#4 He could just say "fuck it", and live quietly in suffering. Many men do. They have to give up their will for zest in life and just sink into the recliner miserably sucking away on beer to forget. He is trying to do this now in order to make things work. But his natural manhood is still resisting. So he has not yet fully made a decision based on the current cicumstances in hopes they will get better for him.

So what is your role? You are, or were, obvously satisfied with what he does for you. At least long enough to sink into your current position of neglect thus allowing him to feel like this for long enough to start acting it out. Obviously he is a good father and the one you want. Thats why you chose him isn't it? He is there for you and the male rock that a family needs for secure and sound foundation. SO WHY ARE YOU DISCOUNTING HIM AND ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??

The only thing that has changed is your respect and appreciation for him. This discounting is always the reason for the lack of sexual interest in him that results in these problems. You were still getting all those things you needed all the long, so why have you stopped giving him what he needs? Remember what I said about the reason he married you.

The problem is that you are not appreciating him THE WAY HE NEEDS TO BE APPRECIATED!! He needs sex. But bigger than that. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIMPLE ACT OF SEX.. It is about your desire for him. And you demonstrating to him that you are attracted to him in that way. You say, "we have plenty of sex, twice a week!!!". I will give you that twice a week is an acceptable number and will serve in lieu of the one to three times a day and with different women our genetics are founded on, but it has to be the right way. My wife once demonstrated to me the value of her not wanting to have sex by just lying there totally uninterested like a rag doll. I could not even finish as a joke, before I realize it was pointless. What I did not realize at the time was the value of her interest.!!! So in short, you can ask him if he wants to have sex, even reach over and tap him on the shoulder, or tell him to fuck you now before he goes nutty, BUT THIS IS ALL USELESS, IF NOT INFURIATING!!!!

When you were dating or early in marriage, not only how ofter did you want to have sex with him, and how ofter did you do it, but did you really know the value back then, and consciously? You at least knew it subconsciously. It is proven in the fact that everytime you wanted something, or wanted to reward him for something, YOU USED SEX!!!! You used increased sexual desire as presented to him when you thought it was time to get a ring. You showed desire for him whenever he got a good job, a bonus, or made a positive financial gain. You even simply rewarded him for taking you out to dinner with a blowjob perhaps!! What kind of abusive hippocracy is this??? But as time has progressed, you have discounted his need for affirmation. Dinners are now given with marriage, his income stream and future as a producer is now limiting, you already have the ring. So now you only have expectations, rather than appreciation for what he brings to the table. You have discounted his fundamental needs to be desired and valued in the way that men REQUIRE!!!!!!!!!!

So what has changed? Were you lieing to his all along? And just to get what you wanted? Probably not or you would not have had his children, and you would not be dealing with this current obvious rejection of status quo. So what are you waiting for? You dont think that he really acknowledged the time you gave him oral sex and even swallowed or took it in your mouth? You KNOW he acknowledged it, You just did not understand the importance.!! This was to you the highest act of interest in him you could have possibly showed. WELL? Exactly, that interest is not being shown, so what is he to think?

He interprets your lack of sexual desire as a disownership of him and more!! He sees that he has spent the best part of his life with you and for nothing if it turns out it was all a lie to achieve a gain. He GAVE YOU CHILDREN. He did not use you to have them. This is where we differ YOU COME FIRST FOR US. If your love and desire is not present, the REST is mute.. His act of leaving the house for a month was an attempt to find a place where he can again be desired, and a protest of the lack of desire you show him, as he has no interest in being with someone how does not like him in this way. His recent acting out in front of the children is an even further showing of his determination to prove to himself that you will not make him happy and prove to himself that the children do not exist without your love. At least children from a standpoint as a father in a family where he is not desired by him most important and trusted confidant. You are betraying him as far as his genetics are telling him. And you are not longer attracted to his as is displayed in your lack of interest in him sexually, as he understands it. You can love him in your own way all you want, he needs his way. Just the same as he is there for you in the ways you have come to discount.

You can't just be a bump on a log. You have to express DESIRE FOR HIM. He really needs to know that you are CRAVING HIM INSIDE YOU!!!! Short of this you are not conveying the message. So put yourself back in your shoes you wore when you respected him so much that you would do ANYTHING to get him. Thats who he married. Nothing has changed for you. Why would you think it has changed for him? If you go tell him how much you love him in a sexual way, climb on him, and demand he come all over you and just rub it all over your body like it is health elixer, this is more effective as non-acknowledged sex for 7 days straight. YOU have to show him that you CRAVE HIM in this way....

The antidepressants were just another way of trying to settle into that recliner and forget his dismay. Clearly his removal of them from his life was his first clear sign that he was not going to accept his current status of "inappreciation" any longer. You missed that one a long time ago. Even before he started taking them as a means to cope. He is probably also declining in hormones right now as well, THUS HIGHLIGHTING the fact that he is loosing the last of his youth, and FURTHER INFURIATING HIM that you are more than happy to watch him fade away to his coffen unattended. There is nothing wrong with his need to replace his hormones, but it will further antagonize the situation if not corrected.

You say "ANTAGONIZE??" ,, "SITUATION??""..... Did you hear a word I said, You are the problem. DO YOU REALLY LOVE HIM? Are you really willing to risk your family and sacrifice further happiness for the sake a argument? You know I am correct. YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW TO MAKE HIM HAPPY...... You know how to get whatever in the world you want. You remain oblivious and spoiled by the constant desire offered by him, and the fact that you are getting yours already. Use your head and quit being obstinant. Your entire future is at stake.

You could negatively sit back now and go "damn if he is right, I just cant handle all that sex!!". Yes I am aware of this. That again proven by your monthly cycle. But what you are discounting is the value of you shown affection. I will GUARANTEE YOU that if you just spend a month straight of heavy attention, he will not even care if you nail him anymore! At least for a few days or a week. But THAT IS THE POINT!! IT really is not an all or nothing type proposition. That is what I am telling you. You have just let too much damage go on for too long.. How can I prove this? We all want what we cant have. You are completely satisfied as you are smothered in his deisre for you affection. Quit selfishly abusing this love. So you can see that once he is convinced you desire him. There will be nothing left to want, other than happy nights around the house with his family:). If you truely convey to him your physical attraction and NEED for his cock as you personal "love toy", he will soon enough understand that this is unquestionable beyond a doubt and ease up to a healthy twice a week lifestyle. BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM COUNT LIKE HE NEEDS THEM TO!!!! And as you would have in the past..

How to reverse this landslide of damage unveiling. FORGET THE PAST TILL NOW. EVEN FOR GET SOME MINOR PUNCHES STILL TO BE THROWN AS HE IS BEING CONVINCED. Call him now a tell him you have been missing the way things were in the past and you want to take him to dinner. Hire a babysitter. Rent a fllthy "theme" hotel room and take him there to show him something after dinner. Ignore any negatives out of his mouth on the way to your happy marriage as he is still being convinced. It took two to tango. Now tango like you did when you met him. Like he needs you to.... I wll guarantee a happy life from here on if you listen.

My fee will now be $10,000.00. What? Believe me you just got a cut rate special considering what you really stand to loose... I am so confident it will work, you can pay me later.....;)

If you have read to any distain or unclarity. READ AGAIN. I have given you the secret to man. Consider yourself blessed.

Aren't you quite the Phiiosopher
HAHA great advice as always ..
He does not take credit cards or cash , but I nice pat on the back with do fine and off course a thank you.
:)
 
Apappala
You mentioned paxil, found this for you, seems that the withdrawl symptoms could be wired in, his symptoms are similar to someone not being consistant with their medication, the dose may have to be adjusted. My honest opinion about psycho meds is they should all be avoided. I've seen to many people get worse going on them. I'd get him slowly off of them, measure hormone levels and treat accordingly, and both of you go get some professional help, to work through these issues together.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/magazine/06antidepressant-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=magazine


On another note, BBC3 usually offers a point of view no one ever thinks about, he is rather lengthy, but all of his posts are.

But NO one know's your current situtation and what you are going through, but we'll do our best to help you with what we can.

Have the Dr's done a complete hormone panel, along with the basics? Have they checked for brain tumors??
 
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BBC3 is quote obviously insane. I came here for help. ...people like you thrive on upsetting people, riling them up, and negative emotion. It appears from the length of your post and your grandiosity that you are most likely a person suffering from bipolar disorder. Could it be that you are off of your meds or you are not "person" enough (I won't say "man" enough because that does not suit you) to pursue treatment of your disorder.

You go girl

:popcorn:

. If you can post all of the labs (with values) he has had, some here might help you interpet them.

I hope you get the help you need
 
"insane"??? Perhaps. Bipolar?? No. Multiple Personality Disorder? Maybe. But only by design as it allows my to venture out beyond the normal bounds and hence go more places, and see more things.... Whick is why I can also help you futher.

The preceding post was simple the MOST COMMON picture seen with regard to marital issues today. Not being male you stand no chance of understanding the actual merit, and just how succinctly the issue was addressed and resolved. I did not claim to "know you". You are the one the is posting your private marital issues on a public forum and BEGGING for anyone's advice:rolleyes: But it does not serve you so you rudely scoff, and insultingly reject!! Who is the atrocious scab of society now really?. Where have I seen that before??:eek: Oh yes, I seem to recall that type behavior is usually assocaited with a VAGINA.... Before I more on to other credible altenative issues, ARE YOU REALLY SURE I WAS NOT CLOSE.?? Because for someone to react so strongly as an emotional outburst, it would make me wonder. It makes me wonder if you are not just a typical woman and hearing what you want to.

Do you ever find yourself in argument with him, and you are stating that "you are going in circles"? I bet you do..... If so, re-read my first post 1000 times.....

I further read that you attempt to insult me by challenging my "manhood". For you first and initial response to my post, I believe it achieved exactly what it was supposed to. You clearly reveal yourself as an ingnorant and selfish CREATON, who is MORE THAN READY to take cheap and knowingly inflamatory shots. As most certainly, this is your standard line of communication, I am sure your husband does not stand a chance. Thats just a tiny look in your mirror derived from one minute of your time as you presented. God help anyone who should have to live with that type behavior. Who is really acting probelmatic and abusive? You stated that I was making "upsetting" statements. Why would they be upsetting? The only way they could be construed by you as upsetting would be if they actually applied. There was nothing negative about the presentation. The only thing that is true is that is was designed to "ring" you up. Ring you right up to reality. Apparently it did. What if I were to tell you that I am a female and a PHD Psychologist.? Or an M.D. Psychiatrist? How would you perceive the previous post in the case.?

If you fail to see any light whatsoever in anything that I have said up until this sentence, then the problem is far worse than you anticipate. It may be you. And that he no longer wants to be around that type behaviour. That the reverse is happening, but he is still rooted for the same reasons, just wishing back to a prior date for reasons EXACTLY OPPOSITE my first line of thought.... Clearly your marriage is a rareity in that sense.

I also gather from your statements that "he raised his hand to you", nice drama! Sounds like things escalated to physical "shows" at best. Your statement again proves inflamatory to say the least. You also said "your son". So now I am on the page that this is not your first marriage, and this is not his son? Let me go one step further and now guess that it is his first marriage. Hmmm, How did I know that one. This indicates one of two things: Go back and read the first post again. OR (2), you two may both have issues.

YOU CLEARLY DO BASED ON YOUR HOSTILE RESPONSE. If he does as well, you two dont stand a chance. Upping the anee to him now fathering someone elses child is the icing on the cake, if you are not providing something he needs. Also remember that even if you are providing sexually, you may be negating that in one foul swoop with behavior like you demonstrated here today. Bipolar? Who went from a healthy, innocent, post begging for help, to the raging lunatic by the next post? They were 1000 better ways to disagree.

Finally, while the divorce rate may exceed 50%. What they dont tell you is that is total marriages made vs. broken, and that the number is high because of repeat offenders. And that there are MANY very happy families that deal with daily stresses successfully that exhibit far less than 50% in divorce rate.

If he has baggage too, you two may not stand a chance.. The bottom line that could be gathered from my first post as well, is that the relationship could flourish IF EITHER OF YOU WAS WILLING TO SACRIFICE FOR IT. So then you must know why he is unhappy. What is it? Does he want his own children and you don't? Did he marry you and not realized you were not going to work, or that you would make excessive demands. Did you marry him and simply not realize you are BOTH HOT HEADS?? That is possible you know. Did he not realize he was not done sewing his seeds? Is he hell bent of relationships with other women for another reason? Has he cheated on you, or visversa? Once that happens he, or you, may tend to force an end to things as a means of absolution?? Do you have a drinking problem? He clearly does not or you would have already incriminated him for that one. So what is the issue? Tell us. You do know... You clearly did not come here to hear our advice or opinions and consider them openly as a means to help. Someone answering you as a comfort will not solve a thing. Did you just come here to See your self type?? Tell us what you really think the issue is then. EVERYONE KNOWS THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS GOING ON. So admit it to us, and perhaps you can see it for yourself...:):popcorn:


BBC3 is quote obviously insane. I came here for help. You do not know us. You do not know that if he was like this to begin with, I would never have married him. I am the one chasing him. I have never lost my sexual appetite for him. I am the one requesting movies, dinners, buying lingerie. HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS CHANGED. I have supported him by going to doctors and trying to help research things for him. I gave us a chance even after he raised his hand to me, had my young son by the shoulders on the ground when he tried to defend me...why, because he was never like this before. He was a great guy and I suspected a problem with either depression or low T which would explain his mood problems. I could go on and on but I won't give you the satisfaction. I know someone exactly like you...people like you thrive on upsetting people, riling them up, and negative emotion. It appears from the length of your post and your grandiosity that you are most likely a person suffering from bipolar disorder. Could it be that you are off of your meds or you are not "person" enough (I won't say "man" enough because that does not suit you) to pursue treatment of your disorder.
 
What did your mother do to you? You REALLY hate women don't you asshat? You have older sisters too don't you?

:D

Not that you are wrong or anything... just saying that's all...



"Where would men be without women?... Very scarce!" - Mark Twain
 
BBC3...what do I have to say, i think I need whatever you're on :popcorn:

I would have never thought of that, very good poetry my friend.


"insane"??? Perhaps. Bipolar?? No. Multiple Personality Disorder? Maybe. But only by design as it allows my to venture out beyond the normal bounds and hence go more places, and see more things.... Whick is why I can also help you futher.

The preceding post was simple the MOST COMMON picture seen with regard to marital issues today. Not being male you stand no chance of understanding the actual merit, and just how succinctly the issue was addressed and resolved. I did not claim to "know you". You are the one the is posting your private marital issues on a public forum and BEGGING for anyone's advice:rolleyes: But it does not serve you so you rudely scoff, and insultingly reject!! Who is the atrocious scab of society now really?. Where have I seen that before??:eek: Oh yes, I seem to recall that type behavior is usually assocaited with a VAGINA.... Before I more on to other credible altenative issues, ARE YOU REALLY SURE I WAS NOT CLOSE.?? Because for someone to react so strongly as an emotional outburst, it would make me wonder. It makes me wonder if you are not just a typical woman and hearing what you want to.

Do you ever find yourself in argument with him, and you are stating that "you are going in circles"? I bet you do..... If so, re-read my first post 1000 times.....

I further read that you attempt to insult me by challenging my "manhood". For you first and initial response to my post, I believe it achieved exactly what it was supposed to. You clearly reveal yourself as an ingnorant and selfish CREATON, who is MORE THAN READY to take cheap and knowingly inflamatory shots. As most certainly, this is your standard line of communication, I am sure your husband does not stand a chance. Thats just a tiny look in your mirror derived from one minute of your time as you presented. God help anyone who should have to live with that type behavior. Who is really acting probelmatic and abusive? You stated that I was making "upsetting" statements. Why would they be upsetting? The only way they could be construed by you as upsetting would be if they actually applied. There was nothing negative about the presentation. The only thing that is true is that is was designed to "ring" you up. Ring you right up to reality. Apparently it did. What if I were to tell you that I am a female and a PHD Psychologist.? Or an M.D. Psychiatrist? How would you perceive the previous post in the case.?

If you fail to see any light whatsoever in anything that I have said up until this sentence, then the problem is far worse than you anticipate. It may be you. And that he no longer wants to be around that type behaviour. That the reverse is happening, but he is still rooted for the same reasons, just wishing back to a prior date for reasons EXACTLY OPPOSITE my first line of thought.... Clearly your marriage is a rareity in that sense.

I also gather from your statements that "he raised his hand to you", nice drama! Sounds like things escalated to physical "shows" at best. Your statement again proves inflamatory to say the least. You also said "your son". So now I am on the page that this is not your first marriage, and this is not his son? Let me go one step further and now guess that it is his first marriage. Hmmm, How did I know that one. This indicates one of two things: Go back and read the first post again. OR (2), you two may both have issues.

YOU CLEARLY DO BASED ON YOUR HOSTILE RESPONSE. If he does as well, you two dont stand a chance. Upping the anee to him now fathering someone elses child is the icing on the cake, if you are not providing something he needs. Also remember that even if you are providing sexually, you may be negating that in one foul swoop with behavior like you demonstrated here today. Bipolar? Who went from a healthy, innocent, post begging for help, to the raging lunatic by the next post? They were 1000 better ways to disagree.

Finally, while the divorce rate may exceed 50%. What they dont tell you is that is total marriages made vs. broken, and that the number is high because of repeat offenders. And that there are MANY very happy families that deal with daily stresses successfully that exhibit far less than 50% in divorce rate.

If he has baggage too, you two may not stand a chance.. The bottom line that could be gathered from my first post as well, is that the relationship could flourish IF EITHER OF YOU WAS WILLING TO SACRIFICE FOR IT. So then you must know why he is unhappy. What is it? Does he want his own children and you don't? Did he marry you and not realized you were not going to work, or that you would make excessive demands. Did you marry him and simply not realize you are BOTH HOT HEADS?? That is possible you know. Did he not realize he was not done sewing his seeds? Is he hell bent of relationships with other women for another reason? Has he cheated on you, or visversa? Once that happens he, or you, may tend to force an end to things as a means of absolution?? Do you have a drinking problem? He clearly does not or you would have already incriminated him for that one. So what is the issue? Tell us. You do know... You clearly did not come here to hear our advice or opinions and consider them openly as a means to help. Someone answering you as a comfort will not solve a thing. Did you just come here to See your self type?? Tell us what you really think the issue is then. EVERYONE KNOWS THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS GOING ON. So admit it to us, and perhaps you can see it for yourself...:):popcorn:
 
to the OP: the basic truth is that taking testosterone can "gas a person up" with enhanced energy...some men will channel that energy towards aggression. depression is often thought of as an evolutionary adaptation, meant to control aggressive impulses towards others or oneself. naturally, it can get out of hand, especially with other phsyiological and/or psychological issues at play, plus any external streses... but most often it's a natural defense mechanism. this appears to be partly why some SSRI anti-depressants can increase the suicide risk in young adults...suddenly they have more energy and initiative, but the same underlying stressors.

ur husband sounds similar: he was/is depressed, but suddenly has more energy. i echo what trainhard had to say, the 10mg androgel is a better idea than the zoloft...and starting both at the same time was indeed a bad idea. however, some knowledge on ur husband's part would be useful...he needs to understand the effects of what he's on better, so that he has an easier time translating his increased energy into a better mood, rather than more aggression.

the fact is that part of that translation process HAS to be conscious, and voluntary. he needs to understand on a moment-to-moment level that the overall effect of his meds is increased stimulation, so that he can process stress better.

incidentally, i would have advised to avoid the anti-depressant and let the Androgel have a chance to work, bcuz i think the increased energy of testosterone is more intguitively controllable and understandable than the murkier brain-chemistry changes of anti-depressants, whihc are vastly overprescribed and (according to the drug makers' own often unpublished studies, as reported by the NYTimes a few years ago) often no more effective than placebo.

ultimately, ur discussion with ur husband and then his doctor should be non-confrontational but blunt: "baby, the meds have u gassed up...u have to take a step back and let that new energy become confidence and happiness, don't just go with ur anger when it hits. we don't need any tragedies."
 
Is that the best you can do?? No response to my post. Or was it just too dead on for you to deal with?

You are like a person from a stop smoking site. Bipolar or not. Who gives a shit!!! I did not ask YOU for help:confused::confused: It was you who came here. By the way, many of the most successful, influential, and powerful people in history were "bipolar"... I should be so lucky!!! What is the harp with me and the neglect to acknowledge the post? Oh I forgot, thats what many women do when they are loosing LOGICAL argument. Then they accuse YOU of "going in circles"!!! Bipolar, bipolar, beeeeiiiipolar......... circles circles circles. It seems to serve you all uniformly accross the board. Is this one of those woman "inside teachings", or is it inherently born into you??? If knowing how to appreciate your man was even 1/10th as ingrained in your tiny littles heads as that principle, men everywhere would have no complaints at home!!!! WHO IS CIRCLING AND AVOIDING THE TOPIC????

Clearly you are now in the female "press buttons to aggrivate mode", and that will be you only further purpose once started. I can tell you that I allready have one of "you" lovely little creatures at home. And one is more than enough. So either move past the pointing at me and produce something positive to resolve your problem (like not lying to yourself for starters), or crawl back under that vagina slimed 20 million year old rock you slithered out from under.:eek:


Thank you to everyone who has been supportive.

I came to this site because it is difficult to find real-file Androgel users who are frank and honest. I wanted to see men actually post their true experiences. The same side effects that are specified on the Androgel web site and package info are repeated across the web on tons of sites. I wanted to get true feedback. I will post his numbers tomorrow.

BBC3 - I beg to differ. Bipolar is your true diagnosis. Read up on it and stop the denial.
 
I was withholding reply until I determined whether or not she was going to objecive and honestly participate in order to not predispose a position yet. She confirmed herself, so with that I touche` you this in reply to your joke.

:popcorn:"There aint no Open Season on them - else there would be none left!!!" - Origin unknown......[:o)][:o)]

Women that hate men, Yes I hold distain. I would tell her like any other.

"If it were 2000 years earlier, she would be standing outside my cave lined up for the dick sucking contest, to see who got to come in out of the rain that night and eat some of my kill." - BBC3:eek::rolleyes:

I'll take Asshat all day. "Vaginahat" and we're fighting!!!!!:D

:popcorn:

What did your mother do to you? You REALLY hate women don't you asshat? You have older sisters too don't you?

:D

Not that you are wrong or anything... just saying that's all...



"Where would men be without women?... Very scarce!" - Mark Twain
 
Hi Apappala, I have been on Androgel 5mgs and 10mgs. I am currently on a compounded 20mg cream. I was put on it to see if it would help with depression. Regardless of dose it has not helped. I do not take any SSRI's but in the past I did take Lexapro for 3 months which made me very agitated and perhaps displaying some of your husbands side effects. Testosterone generally has a calming effect on people. If I had to guess if this is is a side effect of medication I would say it was probably the Zoloft or if the Paxil discontinuation was recent I would also say that the abrupt stop of that medication could be causing his agitation. I hope you find the answers you are looking for.
 
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