hypertropin test by Janoshik

[janoshik]

Hypertropin should be 4mg per vial. They come in 120 iu kits.

Why the hell would they make a gh that pure and not fill properly. Just doesn't make sense.

mands

I'm not here to make sense out of it, but provide results - but from what I've heard (and what I can guess) is that HGH of these qualities (dimer and impurity content) is much more expensive, so one could assume... savings? I don't really know.

I really hope to receive more Hypertropin samples anonymously from different people, to see how other vials fare.



Funnily enough I've tested more VERY pure HGH samples in recent months than anytime before - while some of them were underdosed. In last year the trend was more for overdosed hgh and not-so-great quality. (source: gut feeling statistic)

 

[mercury]

Hey Jimmie you seem to have conveniently missed the part where graphical data were posted by the customer

I wouldn't waste time responding, whatever he smokes must be really good.

 

[Doug_S]

And gullible Clowns like yourself miss the point once again, if you can't TRUST the tester only a fool would trust their RESULTS!

Are there other SCAMs afoot here at Meso?

What do you think "DOCTOR" Jim?

What type of "DOCTOR" are you again?

You got your MD where?

Did your residency where?

Oh the tangled web we weave....

 

[Doug_S]

That was my purpose for posting the link.
That thread screams sketchy as fuck.

i'll give him credit for knowing what he's talking about and he probably has done legitimate testing in the past, but after that thread, i personally wouldn't trust any of his results.

But as a scientist I can assure you "DOCTOR" Jim has no idea what he is talking about regarding recombinant DNA and MS, HPLC, etc.

He's a bullshitter. Big time.

 

[mands]

I'm not here to make sense out of it, but provide results - but from what I've heard (and what I can guess) is that HGH of these qualities (dimer and impurity content) is much more expensive, so one could assume... savings? I don't really know.

I really hope to receive more Hypertropin samples anonymously from different people, to see how other vials fare.



Funnily enough I've tested more VERY pure HGH samples in recent months than anytime before - while some of them were underdosed. In last year the trend was more for overdosed hgh and not-so-great quality. (source: gut feeling statistic)

I'm guessing savings as well. To me it doesn't make sense for repeat business. But, hey what do I know.

mands

 

[mands]

At the risk of sounding obvious - to save money? I know I'd prefer quality product shorted, over inferior product at the indicated dosage.
Whether the results overall can be trusted, that's another thing...

I prefer both Quality and correct dosage. I understand it's hard to find though.

mands

 

[Naugahyde]

I prefer both Quality and correct dosage. I understand it's hard to find though.

And at an affordable price - that's the ultimate cherry on the cake

 

[mands]

And at an affordable price - that's the ultimate cherry on the cake

Yes sir!

mands

 

[Apexvallen]

I find it strange the notion that Jano invested in all this pharmacological equipment but just fakes every test that is asked of him.

 

[Doug_S]

I find it strange the notion that Jano invested in all this pharmacological equipment but just fakes every test that is asked of him.

Jano knows what he is talking about. Jimmy? Ah, not so much.

When he said "think of all.yhe ways those 191 Amino Acids could.be arranged", I laughed my ass off. Anyone who knows anything about recombinant DNA knows that is not possible. A substitution here or there? Certainly possible. A mosiac effect? Ahhh, Noooo. That is impossible.

Also notice how he never admit he doesn't know something? Instead it's "I vet all my comments through PhD chemist"... Sure you do Jimmy. I know my project chemist is just dying for me to give her protein chemistry questions on PEDs. She allocates an hour a day for me just to ping shit off her.

He's the biggest bullshit artist on this board.

 

[Apexvallen]

Jim has definitely helped me a lot in the past, regardless of his qualifications. I have received a lot of advice on here and other forums/mediums from people who may not have a degree in pharmacology but can still provide insight so there's no reason he can't do the same. So his qualifications don't actually matter to me, the quality of his posts do. Having said that, I have received a lot of good information from Jano also and I wish he would post more. Even if the mands transaction had issues, nothing was ever proven and the quality of Jano's posts has not decreased.

Just observations from someone on the outside.

 

[Doug_S]

Jim has definitely helped me a lot in the past, regardless of his qualifications. I have received a lot of advice on here and other forums/mediums from people who may not have a degree in pharmacology but can still provide insight so there's no reason he can't do the same. So his qualifications don't actually matter to me, the quality of his posts do. Having said that, I have received a lot of good information from Jano also and I wish he would post more. Even if the mands transaction had issues, nothing was ever proven and the quality of Jano's posts has not decreased.

Just observations from someone on the outside.

He may be the most knowledgeable person around on PEDs. I could not tell you one way or another.

What I can say is his knowledge of modern biochemistry and chemical analysis is poor. However, he still talks crap and throws insults around on stuff he OBVIOUSLY is clueless about.

As a professional scientist, it offends me. It also makes me question why? Why would you pretend to be an expert on things you are not educated about when there are quite obviously people here who damned well know better?

Then he hides behind insults The man is cracked

 

[mands]

Jano knows what he is talking about. Jimmy? Ah, not so much.

When he said "think of all.yhe ways those 191 Amino Acids could.be arranged", I laughed my ass off. Anyone who knows anything about recombinant DNA knows that is not possible. A substitution here or there? Certainly possible. A mosiac effect? Ahhh, Noooo. That is impossible.

Also notice how he never admit he doesn't know something? Instead it's "I vet all my comments through PhD chemist"... Sure you do Jimmy. I know my project chemist is just dying for me to give her protein chemistry questions on PEDs. She allocates an hour a day for me just to ping shit off her.

He's the biggest bullshit artist on this board.

Before you start to lose your own credibility by making false accusations I would back up a minute.

I can give you Dr. D's full name, number a facility he does testing and work. I assure you he is legit and info and questions mostly come from him. If you need the info and you feel like you need to validate something PM me. I will give it to you.

The reason he does get answers from a chemist(which you supposedly are) that is more qualified than anyone on this site is because they are colleagues and we pay for testing which in turns gets responses.

@Apexvallen it was proven but that's water under the bridge. Jano is capable of testing I just don't use him.

mands

 

[Doug_S]

Before you start to lose your own credibility by making false accusations I would back up a minute.

I can give you Dr. D's full name, number a facility he does testing and work. I assure you he is legit and info and questions mostly come from him. If you need the info and you feel like you need to validate something PM me. I will give it to you.

The reason he does get answers from a chemist(which you supposedly are) that is more qualified than anyone on this site is because they are colleagues and we pay for testing which in turns gets responses.

@Apexvallen it was proven but that's water under the bridge. Jano is capable of testing I just don't use him.

mands

I'm a toxicologist, undergrad in molecular biology, advanced degrees in tox, especially secondary plant metabolites. I'm well published too, and my research focused on moving genes from one plant to another for agricultural purposes. I don't do research any longer.

 

[janoshik]

Jim has definitely helped me a lot in the past, regardless of his qualifications. I have received a lot of advice on here and other forums/mediums from people who may not have a degree in pharmacology but can still provide insight so there's no reason he can't do the same. So his qualifications don't actually matter to me, the quality of his posts do. Having said that, I have received a lot of good information from Jano also and I wish he would post more. Even if the mands transaction had issues, nothing was ever proven and the quality of Jano's posts has not decreased.

Just observations from someone on the outside.

Thank you.

I have made a terrible mistake due to lack of transparency which resulted in losing @mands trust before I was able to get any. JIM found lies to attack me before then as well, though.

However, now I have to work 10 times as hard to gain reputation - and I do. I could've easily changed names or ran off, but I did not and instead I'm putting the work in, in hope of benefit for all.

 

[janoshik]

Before you start to lose your own credibility by making false accusations I would back up a minute.

I can give you Dr. D's full name, number a facility he does testing and work. I assure you he is legit and info and questions mostly come from him. If you need the info and you feel like you need to validate something PM me. I will give it to you.

The reason he does get answers from a chemist(which you supposedly are) that is more qualified than anyone on this site is because they are colleagues and we pay for testing which in turns gets responses.

@Apexvallen it was proven but that's water under the bridge. Jano is capable of testing I just don't use him.

mands

There is no possible way that most of the info that JIM is spreading in regard to analytical chemistry had originated in the mind of a person educated in the field, Mands.

There's also no possibility of such a person agreeing with most of that.

 

[mands]

There is no possible way that most of the info that JIM is spreading in regard to analytical chemistry had originated in the mind of a person educated in the field, Mands.

There's also no possibility of such a person agreeing with most of that.

I would venture to say some responses by Jim are his alone. But, I have seen emails from Dr. D that match feedback from what Jim shares here. As you know you are welcome to reach out to any chemist that I use for testing.

It just bugs me when people including Jim decide to shout out accusations without facts or proof.

For example all PM members are shills for GH or selling something or Jim's not a real doctor. All bull IMO.

mands

 

[Doug_S]

I would venture to say some responses by Jim are his alone. But, I have seen emails from Dr. D that match feedback from what Jim shares here. As you know you are welcome to reach out to any chemist that I use for testing.

It just bugs me when people including Jim decide to shout out accusations without facts or proof.

For example all PM members are shills for GH or selling something or Jim's not a real doctor. All bull IMO.

mands

You're right, and I shouldn't do that. I can't hold someone accountable to a standard I am not willing to hold myself to.

However, reputation or not, I WILL call out misinformation when it is presented, especially when it is scientific in nature and I know better.

 

[Mayne]

What is the difference between jano and JIM is that jano acknowledges his mistakes and attempts to do better next and JIM... he would rather derail or smear when called out and that happens a lot cause let's be honest a lot of times he is talking out of his ass and is spreading ignorance that is exactly what many of us fight every day when it comes to PEDs and what not. I had plenty of respect for him and read a lot into his posts once I 1st joined meso but his ego has far surpassed his intelligence.

 

[Naugahyde]

What is the difference between jano and JIM is that jano acknowledges his mistakes and attempts to do better next and JIM... he would rather derail or smear when called out and that happens a lot cause let's be honest a lot of times he is talking out of his ass and is spreading ignorance that is exactly what many of us fight every day when it comes to PEDs and what not. I had plenty of respect for him and read a lot into his posts once I 1st joined meso but his ego has far surpassed his intelligence.

I originally joined Meso partly because I enjoyed reading Dr JIM's post's so much. Then he turned on me!
No big deal really. People take stuff way too personally here sometimes.
Dr JIM obviously knows a lot & has contributed much of value but he clearly lacks the humility to admit that he lacks expertise in certain areas, and just can't admit his mistakes.