I do believe I got some trash gear from a reliable source

Tnx. I've heard it lowers e2. Maybe even more then primo supposedly?
l know it's probably not this simple, but wouldn't it make sense that guys that aromatize more and have higher than normal shbg levels should respond well to primo, and guys that don't aromatize much and normally have lowish shbg levels would more than likely respond poorly to primo. l know there will always be exceptions to this rule.
 
l know it's probably not this simple, but wouldn't it make sense that guys that aromatize more and have higher than normal shbg levels should respond well to primo, and guys that don't aromatize much and normally have lowish shbg levels would more than likely respond poorly to primo. l know there will always be exceptions to this rule.
Most likely everyone above who didn’t like primo smashed their E2 and shbg into oblivion and that’s why they felt weird and had no sex drive- safe to say it wasn’t the primo. Or it was, but it wasn’t being managed properly I guess is the right way to put it. I guess I’m biased cause I think it’s an awesome compound and if used the right way and right ratios you can have a nice easy cycle with zero sides and beautiful bloodwork. While gaining some nice size. Isn’t that the goal?
 
I had no sex drive at all, even at 100mg a week with the 400 test. Never even got a sex drive from the start. I will have to take 50mg and see how that works.
 
I had no sex drive at all, even at 100mg a week with the 400 test. Never even got a sex drive from the start. I will have to take 50mg and see how that works.
Ok...what some of us are saying is that Primo could have tanked your E2, which would have led to low libido. Did you ever get bloods to see where your levels were at?
 
l know it's probably not this simple, but wouldn't it make sense that guys that aromatize more and have higher than normal shbg levels should respond well to primo, and guys that don't aromatize much and normally have lowish shbg levels would more than likely respond poorly to primo. l know there will always be exceptions to this rule.
I aromatize like a mofo, I can run 400 primo on 150 test.
 
Most likely everyone above who didn’t like primo smashed their E2 and shbg into oblivion and that’s why they felt weird and had no sex drive- safe to say it wasn’t the primo. Or it was, but it wasn’t being managed properly I guess is the right way to put it. I guess I’m biased cause I think it’s an awesome compound and if used the right way and right ratios you can have a nice easy cycle with zero sides and beautiful bloodwork. While gaining some nice size. Isn’t that the goal?

No, not the in my case. I was running just 250 test for a couple of weeks, TT at 2950 ngdl, e2 went up to 70 with 250 hcg added to the mix. But that's not sensitive testing, so it might have been more like 55, idk, anyway I added 50mg's of primo, and bam, it felt a lot different.

Otherwise, for sure, what your saying makes sense, and I've thought about it myself.
 
Ok...what some of us are saying is that Primo could have tanked your E2, which would have led to low libido. Did you ever get bloods to see where your levels were at?
Yes it could have. But at 400 Test and 100 Primo it seems like that should be flipped around. But I don't have labs. I just know at 200 Test a week I start getting some gyno symptoms about the 4th to 5th week in, so I take a AI to combat that after at about 3 weeks. But this last cycle never took a AI hoping the Primo would keep it blocked. I do respond well to Test so 200 is most I take. But at 400 even if the 100 Primo was blocking or lowering my E2 down I still would have seen something more than just some hardening and a good pump here and there. Primo from what I understand dont block estragon like an AI but rather keeps it from binding to the receptors. So your E2 levels still should be in the upper levels but not have the ability to bind to receptors. But there is a big debate on whether it does one or the other. But yea it could at the end of it all.
 
Yes it could have. But at 400 Test and 100 Primo it seems like that should be flipped around. But I don't have labs. I just know at 200 Test a week I start getting some gyno symptoms about the 4th to 5th week in, so I take a AI to combat that after at about 3 weeks. But this last cycle never took a AI hoping the Primo would keep it blocked. I do respond well to Test so 200 is most I take. But at 400 even if the 100 Primo was blocking or lowering my E2 down I still would have seen something more than just some hardening and a good pump here and there. Primo from what I understand dont block estragon like an AI but rather keeps it from binding to the receptors. So your E2 levels still should be in the upper levels but not have the ability to bind to receptors. But there is a big debate on whether it does one or the other. But yea it could at the end of it all.

No, it's supposedly an reversible Ai. If it would do what you're proposing, then labs wouldn't show a drop in E2, right ...? And primo does literary drop your e2.

At 400 test, I really doubt primo tanked your E2.
 
No, it's supposedly an reversible Ai. If it would do what you're proposing, then labs wouldn't show a drop in E2, right ...? And primo does literary drop your e2.

At 400 test, I really doubt primo tanked your E2.
ya if you get a blood test your e2 will definitely be lowered from primo. I have blood tests somewhere around here on 500test/ 300 primo I believe it was. e2 was 33 (I think) . on 500 test if it was just feels my e2 should've been over 100.
 
OP where do you live that you don’t have access to blood work?

The obvious answer here is to just get blood work and I doubt you can’t find a way to do that fairly easily. So go pull some bloods and stop with all the wild bro science speculation
 
OP where do you live that you don’t have access to blood work?

The obvious answer here is to just get blood work and I doubt you can’t find a way to do that fairly easily. So go pull some bloods and stop with all the wild bro science speculation
Ya straight up the only way to know . At the end of the day. Why are people so afraid of bloods?
 
“I don’t have gyno yet” “I’m not horny” “I’m not an ifbb pro yet even though I can’t train or diet for shit” “mY tESt iS bUnk”
Not even wanting to be in contest LOL. Not looking to get huge. My diet is better than most on here as I train for aesthetics, Way to late for labs now. Just not going to use that source again. End of conversation as I know
 
I'll pay for all costs, as I usually do, for hplc testing. I've tested the raws and know how to brew. Not to mention would never intentionally burn anyone to hurt SP reputation. That being said I hold no hard feelings for a complaint and would never trash you for your opinion. I totally respect people's honest opinions. I'm very happy to resolve any issues. You can always pm me for any issues and I'll bend over backwards to please. I'm a firm believer in trying to make everybody happy, @Chael199
 
Ya you gotta start doing labs. You called out Nandro XL's last batch and Stan's stuff. I had NandroXL's last batch and my test was very high after I did labs. Stan's always on point too.
I know I need to, the only labs I get done is from my trt Dr. I have tried to call the lab I use that they send me to and they said 2 times I need a script from a Dr to get them. I did use Nandro for a long time and not one issue beside having a very minor order not right by ordering a vial not amps 1 time. I dont have labs so I dont have a complete verifiable argument on Stans.
 
I'll pay for all costs, as I usually do, for hplc testing. I've tested the raws and know how to brew. Not to mention would never intentionally burn anyone to hurt SP reputation. That being said I hold no hard feelings for a complaint and would never trash you for your opinion. I totally respect people's honest opinions. I'm very happy to resolve any issues. You can always pm me for any issues and I'll bend over backwards to please. I'm a firm believer in trying to make everybody happy, @Chael199
I know my review wouldn't hurt your rep at all as it was never intended to. It was just my experience vs other sources. Its way past time to get labs drawn and I gave all the extra I had away to a guy I use to work with. I realy think your a stand up guy. I have no hard feelings at all. I don't have labs and don't plan on getting any so I don't have a solid leg to stand on. But for now on out I will get labs on who ever I use next. If it wont be my labs I will at least send of the product for testing. You have a excellent record on here and other places.
 
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