The ole man
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Btcowboy
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Good lol, because I dont know how to copy a link to another thread lol
The ole man
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Already ordered them.
Having high estrogen isn’t cool.
That dbol is some mean shit!
Should of been doing .5 eod from the start! Instead of .5 every 3 days.
I’m hoping that the adex will build up quickly!
Having high estrogen isn’t cool.
That dbol is some mean shit!
Should of been doing .5 eod from the start! Instead of .5 every 3 days.
I’m hoping that the adex will build up quickly!
Btcowboy
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It can be for sure, something else to be aware of as well is crashing your estrogen, it’s just as much a bitch as too high. I crashed mine on my blast at .5 e3d. Mind you just 500 Test C.
The ole man
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So what sides did you feel when you crashed it? Did you do bloods?
How did you remedy it?
Btcowboy
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Getting bloods anonymously in Canada is very hard to do. Unfortunately I went by feels, the biggest being every joint in my body ached something fierce. I basically stopped taking my adex until I started feeling better and the higher estrogen sides started back l, the I got to taking my adex basically once a week on my blast.
Bloods is best I wish I had more options for them here than I do.
Btcowboy
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For what it's worth found this in T Nation
Noticeable Symptoms of High Estrogen:
Noticeable Symptoms of High Estrogen:
- Increased abdominal fat
- Loss of muscle mass
- Low libido, decreased erectile function
- Tiredness
- Increased fatty tissue around nipples
- Depression, emotional disturbances
- Lower urinary tract symptoms associated with benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH)
- Decent erections but ho-hum orgasms
- Joint cracking or soreness
- Fatigue and depression
- Blunted emotions
- Possible weakening of adrenal glands
- Anxiety
- Excessive jealousy
- Low blood pressure
- Excessive urination
The ole man
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Shit that sounds scary!
I’m trying to get bloods ordered for Wed, and then again in 2 weeks so I can get this under control. I dropped the dbol, and just kept to test E 300mg a week. I’m in my 4 th week now. I bumped up the arimidex to 1 mg for 2 days, and then back to .5 mg eod and should have some Letro by wed.
I feel a lot better and most of my bloat is gone. But my nips are still sensitive.
I’m trying to get bloods ordered for Wed, and then again in 2 weeks so I can get this under control. I dropped the dbol, and just kept to test E 300mg a week. I’m in my 4 th week now. I bumped up the arimidex to 1 mg for 2 days, and then back to .5 mg eod and should have some Letro by wed.
I feel a lot better and most of my bloat is gone. But my nips are still sensitive.
id experienced more sides in the past @20-30mg's than 50mg's actually. could have been the potency, but a friend of mine experienced the exact same
FourOneDeuxFitt
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I find a ton of great info on T Nation. This hits the nail on the head too.
@Worf and @Mac11wildcat both gave you polar opposite answer but both solid. If the dbol is giving you consistent issues just drop it. 10-20mg just do away with it as Mac stated. Also though. Like Worf said I’m also a fan of prework orals. That’s how I use superdrol. Tried splitting the dose up twice a day and the sides outweighted the benefits IMO for me personally. So what I started doing was cycling the SD 2 weeks on/off and kept the dose at 20mg one hour preworkout. For me it gives me a great drive in the gym. Good aggression, I don’t feel the sides throughout the whole day, the only thing that drug our regardless of what I did was the lethargy but that’s pretty common for SD. When I switched to taking it preworkout my BP dropped ALOT. Maybe experiment with a different oral. Or just drop it. Make the cycle as smooth as you can don’t fight sides if you can avoid it.
The ole man
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Sounds great. Hbp is slightly scary the first time, I won’t even act tough. With the lethargic feeling, along with bloat, got my attention.
I know my mistake here and I won’t make it again.
1. Should have had pre-bloods
2. Should of started adex the same day I started dbol at no less than .5 eod
3. Got 2nd bloods 2 weeks in if feeling any sides, if not then week 4
4. Asked for some advice before I jumped off the cliff.
So here we are today, I had to make some guesses. Hopefully they were good
I got my paperwork for my bloods, can get them any time I’m ready.
I jumped my adex to 1mg yesterday morning about 5 am,and then 1 mg last night at midnight. It did make me slightly ache in my neck where my previous injury, but I have absolutely no bloat, blood pressure is down, I feel good, and if I have any sensitivity in my nips it’s very very little.
Now I know I’m playing a dangerous game here, so my plan after taking that much adex, is to now move to .5 tonight, and then .5 Thursday night, .5 sat nigh, .5 Monday night, and get bloods done Tuesday.
I’m gonna continue with the test 300mg/wk.
we are in week 4 of 12.
Any thoughts?
Anybody?
FourOneDeuxFitt
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You can’t really blame yourself for not starting your AI along side of the dbol. Some people don’t need it. Everyone reacts differently. When I am on blast and even when using superdrol or Turinabol I normally don’t have to start with my AI until about 4+ weeks in. Now as soon as I put tren in my body that’s a different story. That’s a compound that I need to absolutely run an AI with from the jump. But again. This is all trial and error and it’s hard to really compare one to the next because we’re all different.
Definitely be careful trying to get your sensitivity under control. Last thing you wanna do is crash your e2 then your gonna have a long 4-5 days. I normally do the same take 1mg for a day or 2 right off the bat to get it in my system then after that first day or two switch to .5mg every other day or even e3d. All depends on what sides km dealing with and how far along they are. Once I get whatever I’m battling under control I normally switch to e3d. Then if it creeps back I know I need to be a bit more aggressive and aim for eod. Sometimes everyday. All depends.
The ole man
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Your right. But dbol I should of been a lil more diligent. .5/wk starting off just didn’t cut it.
But your right, my thought process was take very little, and if you have sides, up it. And last cycle was test 600mg/wk and I ended up having sides about week 3, but I started adex at .5 eod for the rest of the cycle, with no probs.
I also ran a pro hormone havoc, the first 5 weeks, but it’s properties were advertised as anti-estrogen as it actually worked to lower, or convert estrogen I kind of forgot exactly how it worked.
So thinking half the test, and just 20 mg dbol, wouldn’t be any worse, but I was wrong. As the evening comes on, I feel sensitive nips, but for most of the day was good. No other sides,
So .05 tonight, which is about now for me, then .05 eod.
I got some Letro today, on standby for after the bloods, if I need it.
FourOneDeuxFitt
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I used arimidex last cycle when I had issues. Didn’t quite catch it quick enough so I found some liquid letro I had from a little while back. Long story short moved too quickly with both to try and combat gyno. Crashed my e2. Was miserable and stuck in bed for a week. It was literally hard to even muster up energy to just make it through a work day. Never again. Letro is a last last last resort. So be careful.
The ole man
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So today was the first day I had no sides, no itchy nips, bloat, nothing.
Maybe slightly dried out, from the water coming off. After the water falls off, and you get some cut back, looks pretty good. So no adex to night, and we move on with .5 eod and get bloods Tuesday.
We are on day 25, on day 45 I’m gonna give dbol another shot, and run it another 3 weeks, barring any changes.
Maybe slightly dried out, from the water coming off. After the water falls off, and you get some cut back, looks pretty good. So no adex to night, and we move on with .5 eod and get bloods Tuesday.
We are on day 25, on day 45 I’m gonna give dbol another shot, and run it another 3 weeks, barring any changes.
The ole man
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I’m trying to be careful! I’m not for sure what it feels like to crash your e2 but I know what it feels like to let it get to high, and if the hbp don’t make you talk to Jesus, the burning nips will! All and all, it costed me about week of my time.
Now that I got it under control with the adex, I’m gonna continue on with it.
But I got Letro in the safe on standby.
I’m gonna get this right!
I learn some more about AI and this second run of dbol, and weather I need to up the adex from Eod.
FourOneDeuxFitt
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Me personally I wouldn’t even touch letro man. Have some patience with the Adex and let it do its thing. In a week if there’s no improvement then I’d take a VERY light dose of letro. Just be careful.
If you crash it you’ll know. It’s literally lethargy to the max. I woke up yawning for days and fuck man it was hard to do anything I felt like the walking dead
The ole man
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I haven’t had any of the symptoms Now for 2 days. I was supposed to take .5 tonight but I’m gonna wait till tomm night.
Worf
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IME that situation its best to run adex and nolva until it clears up. Nolva will prevent anything from binding to the site and adex will clear it out in a week or so. but hey, valuable lesson learned.
The ole man
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Very valuable lesson learned.
