I feel like everything is hopeless [long post]

Do you have a comparable family situation?
No
Are your parents in bad health?
No
Do you have a relative who has been in a mental clinic?
Probably
Do you have genetic diseases?
Depends on your definition of disease. By most definitions, sure.
Can you not work out anymore because your body doesn't tolerate it?
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Pretty much.
Do you have aches and pains in your body which others in your age do not hav
e?
Yes.
Do you have a shitload of stress with studying and fear for your future?
No because I don't give a shit. I just get shit done and be done with it.

Dalbert, you are asking for help but at the same time wallowing in self pity and refusing any suggestion anyone has. Yes, klonopin, SSRIs, etc. can be addictive, not pleasant for some people, whatever, but MANY people use them with success. In the short and mid term they will probably help you.

I've been suicidal before. For some reason when suicidal I'm the same way as you - everything sucks, no one can help me, no one understands, blah blah blah. Well, eventually I say fuck it, I sack the fuck up, and realize that no one is going to help me but myself, so I go back to trying to figure out how to fix the problem. You haven't hit that sack the fuck up phase yet.

You need to. You can bitch and moan and complain all you want, but it ain't gonna make anything better. Being proactive to make things better will make things better.
 
No because I don't give a shit. I just get shit done and be done with it.

Yup.

I've been suicidal before. For some reason when suicidal I'm the same way as you - everything sucks, no one can help me, no one understands, blah blah blah. Well, eventually I say fuck it, I sack the fuck up, and realize that no one is going to help me but myself, so I go back to trying to figure out how to fix the problem.

Yup. Or just throw in your game controller and just say fuck it, game over.
 
Calling nihilism faith-based is like calling "off" a TV channel.

But you do seem to be much more reasonable and considered when discussing metaphysics than politics. Is this some sort of Machiavellian tactic you like to use or are you just schizophrenic when it comes to certain topics?

Shhhh. It's a secret.
 
@curtjames

I am mostly depressed because of problems which I can't change. If I could fix all my health issues I'd be much less depressed but I cannot and most of them also cannot be treated so there isn't much I could do against them and also hearing some ridiculous advice from a psychologist like focus on other people or why don't you help old people in your free time and get the thoughts off yourself would only piss me off. I don't need to hear this kind of trivial shit and I also don't want to hear someone belittling my problems and telling me that they aren't really that big. It's easy to say such stuff when you do not have these problems.

@structure

My problems are not like a girl who thinks she has a fat ass and is depressed. I'd really like to see how you would feel if you were me. Do you have any diseases? Do you have a comparable family situation? Are your parents in bad health? Do you have a relative who has been in a mental clinic? Do you have genetic diseases? Can you not work out anymore because your body doesn't tolerate it?`Do you have aches and pains in your body which others in your age do not have? Do you have a shitload of stress with studying and fear for your future? I bet you have not many of these things and you think you know how it's like to be me and think you can tell me that my perception is twisted? I cannot take this seriously unless it comes from someone in an equal situation and even then it would be relative. Not everybody deals with issues the same. Just because there are people in a wheelchair who are still happy doesn't mean everybody can do that.

@ gmerits

Klonopin is a highly addictive benzo and no long term solution unless you want to become addicted to drugs. I'm not going to take anything addictive and also no responsible doctor would give this to a patient for long term use.

Big buzzer on that one. Klonopin is used long term on many patients. If you are mildly unstable in mood this is the way to go. What, I'm supposed to go on Lithium for a mild mood disorder? Now that shit is serious and has some bad sides. I have no sides on Klonopin and feel frigging great. Look, it's either go on something of keep plunging down that hole. You are not going to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps on this one. Honestly, do you want to get help or not? If you do, then there will more than likely be a pill involved. Get used to that fact. Do you believe you are going to live to 70 and never have any pills to take for a disorder that don't have some side effect? Get real here - your life may depend on it.
 
My problems are not like a girl who thinks she has a fat ass and is depressed. I'd really like to see how you would feel if you were me. Do you have any diseases? Do you have a comparable family situation? Are your parents in bad health? Do you have a relative who has been in a mental clinic? Do you have genetic diseases? Can you not work out anymore because your body doesn't tolerate it?`Do you have aches and pains in your body which others in your age do not have? Do you have a shitload of stress with studying and fear for your future? I bet you have not many of these things and you think you know how it's like to be me and think you can tell me that my perception is twisted? I cannot take this seriously unless it comes from someone in an equal situation and even then it would be relative. Not everybody deals with issues the same. Just because there are people in a wheelchair who are still happy doesn't mean everybody can do that.

Actually, your problems are more like a teenager who thinks he is the only one in the world that has problems of significance. You really need someone to keep your perspective in check. Why don't you just go see a counselor to help you manage your stress? It's not like you have to see a therapist and talk about your problems in detail; just see someone and talk about strategies for managing stress. Clearly, the strategies you are employing are not working.

And really, dalbert, its annoying as hell to have you try to tell me that your situation is worse than mine without you even knowing what my situation is.

Your point that not everyone with the same issues deals with them the same is the same point that I've been trying to make all along: your coping skills are the problem. You need someone to help you deal with stress, because quite honestly, your situation isn't that bad. Your inability to deal with your situation effectively is what needs to change.

Do you have any diseases?
Yes. Read some of my posts.
Do you have a comparable family situation?
Yes. My sister is terminally ill. She is going to die in the next five weeks. She's only 48.
Are your parents in bad health?
Yes. Lots of people my age do though.
Do you have a relative who has been in a mental clinic?
Yes.
Do you have genetic diseases?
Yes. Read some of my posts.
Can you not work out anymore because your body doesn't tolerate it?
Bullshit. Unless you're in a wheelchair, use elliptical machine.
Do you have aches and pains in your body which others in your age do not have?
Yes.
Do you have a shitload of stress with studying and fear for your future?
Who doesn't?
I bet you have not many of these things and you think you know how it's like to be me and think you can tell me that my perception is twisted? I cannot take this seriously unless it comes from someone in an equal situation and even then it would be relative.

Trust me, your perception is twisted.
 
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Well, eventually I say fuck it, I sack the fuck up, and realize that no one is going to help me but myself, so I go back to trying to figure out how to fix the problem. You haven't hit that sack the fuck up phase yet.

That doesn't work for me. How can you motivate yourself when you're depressed? If I could simply pull myself out by sheer willpower then everything would be fine. Then I could just say to myself I will never be depressed again or even if I am I will simply do whatever I need to do. Sounds good in theory but it does not work in reality at least I cannot do it. I feel powerless towards myself. How many days have I gone to bed feeling like a failure because I did all wrong and did not what I wanted to do.... and the next morning I wake up and know that today it will be exactly the same. When you have no motivation or strength then there is nothing you can do. I hate being this way but at the same time there is not much I can do. Trying to psyche myself up does not work. I may feel empowered in one moment but this doesn't last. Believe me if there was a way to simply go to a bootcamp and come back as a new person without any weakness and with willpower and inner strength I'd go there and do it cause I don't like how I am at all. I have thought about this many times but I'm simply never how I'd like to be.

@gmerits

I'm glad that this works for you but this doesn't mean it would also work for me. My doctor would definitely not put me on klonopin. He'd most likely prescibe a ssri and then I'd be scared to take it because of the side effects. I also read reviews from people who tried things like Prozac and who felt much worse under it. Why should I take it and then feel better when it could also only make it worse? I really don't know if I have the courage to try any of those meds cause I can always think that it could be a mistake. I don't want to go on an odyssey where I go from one drug to the other until I finally find something which works and then there's still the danger that it might lose its effect after a while and then you're screwed and need to try new drugs again.

@structure

I'm sorry about your sister. What does she have? How does she deal with the situation?
Is she religious?
You're right I don't know your situation. I just assumed that it's better than mine. If your situation is also that depressing then how come you're not crushed and hopeless? What if your perception isn't normal? How do you know what the normal way of dealing with such things is?

But I still think that my situation is probably a lot worse than the situation of a regular person in my age. When I look at the people I study with then most of them seem to be happy and unaffected. I wish I could go back to living such a life. But I have lost it all within just a few years. I lost my health and also my hopes and also feel bad for all my false decisions. I could have been someone if I had studied the right thing and pulled it through but my pessimism and depression sabotaged my success. Maybe without it my whole life could have been different. I was simply always scared of failing and of final exams. How can you have strength to study when you fear failing at the final exams and then everything was forsaken?
Or when you feel like you don't have a future anyway because of being sick then where shall you pull strength to keep functioning? Some people can do this but I can't. I'm cynical, pessimistic and quickly discouraged I have always been this way. I really don't know if I could be any different or if a drug had such a power.
 
Shhhh. It's a secret.

oops ... sorry. ;)

That doesn't work for me. How can you motivate yourself when you're depressed? If I could simply pull myself out by sheer willpower then everything would be fine. Then I could just say to myself I will never be depressed again or even if I am I will simply do whatever I need to do. Sounds good in theory but it does not work in reality at least I cannot do it. I feel powerless towards myself. How many days have I gone to bed feeling like a failure because I did all wrong and did not what I wanted to do.... and the next morning I wake up and know that today it will be exactly the same. When you have no motivation or strength then there is nothing you can do. I hate being this way but at the same time there is not much I can do. Trying to psyche myself up does not work. I may feel empowered in one moment but this doesn't last. Believe me if there was a way to simply go to a bootcamp and come back as a new person without any weakness and with willpower and inner strength I'd go there and do it cause I don't like how I am at all. I have thought about this many times but I'm simply never how I'd like to be.

I lived in this particular cell looking down at my shoestrings for decades. I could either keep sitting here looking at my shoestrings, use my shoestrings to hang myself, or try to dig my way out of a concrete cell. Took me a long time, too long, to realize that the bars were not real and I could've walked out any time I wanted.
 
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I'm sorry about your sister. What does she have? How does she deal with the situation?
Is she religious?
You're right I don't know your situation. I just assumed that it's better than mine. If your situation is also that depressing then how come you're not crushed and hopeless? What if your perception isn't normal? How do you know what the normal way of dealing with such things is?

But I still think that my situation is probably a lot worse than the situation of a regular person in my age. When I look at the people I study with then most of them seem to be happy and unaffected. I wish I could go back to living such a life. But I have lost it all within just a few years. I lost my health and also my hopes and also feel bad for all my false decisions. I could have been someone if I had studied the right thing and pulled it through but my pessimism and depression sabotaged my success. Maybe without it my whole life could have been different. I was simply always scared of failing and of final exams. How can you have strength to study when you fear failing at the final exams and then everything was forsaken?
Or when you feel like you don't have a future anyway because of being sick then where shall you pull strength to keep functioning? Some people can do this but I can't. I'm cynical, pessimistic and quickly discouraged I have always been this way. I really don't know if I could be any different or if a drug had such a power.


She had a seizure a little over a year ago and her stomach contents ended up in her lungs. No one found her until the next morning, and by then she had suffered irreparable brain damage. She's been in a vegetative state ever since. Her husband is going to remove her feeding tube in the next few weeks, and that will be that. The worst part about it is seeing her like this --- she's incapable of communication, and she doesn't seem to be aware of her surroundings (doesn't follow anyone or anything with her eyes), but it still seems like there's some part of her consciousness that's there, and she seems to be in a lot of pain. Her face is always contorted in this awful expression... It's difficult to describe. In my opinion, her husband has waited too long to make this decision, but at the same time, I don't hold it against him. She's his wife after all...

It's really awful. And yes, depressing.

Sometimes its appropriate to be depressed, and sometimes it's not, and sometimes it's difficult to tell if it is or is not appropriate. I'm not a psychologist, so I don't know what they would say, but I can tell you how I see things / what has worked for me, and you can take it as you will.

The first trick is to know yourself. By this, I mean to know what your tendencies are. It sounds like you have this part covered: you know that you have a tendency towards being cynical, pessimistic, and are quickly discouraged. You mention that you are aware that it has sabotaged your happiness in the past.

The next trick is to use what you know about yourself to make a guess about what is going on in the present. Knowing what your tendencies are is helpful to figure out what you are likely to do in the future / what you are doing in the present. For example, you can use what you know about yourself to help you figure out what is going on with your finals: you know that in the past, your pessimism and fear of failure affected sabotaged your happiness because you were too afraid, and ended up making decisions that you later regretted. You can use this information to come to the decision that you are likely too afraid and pessimistic in the present.

This may sound trivial, but it is very important. This is the step where you are figuring out whether or not your perception of things is accurate, or if it is skewed and causing you trouble. At this point, you may not know how to fix your perspective, but it is critically important to be able to figure out when your perspective of things is in fact resulting in needless fear and anxiety. Again, it is helpful to know what your tendencies in the past have been to help guide you in figuring out if you are doing the same thing again in the present.

The next step is where my opinion comes in: how to cope with stress. I'm sure everyone has a different way of doing it, but I'll tell you what works for me. There's more than one kind of stress, so there's more than one way to deal with the stress. Here's a few:

For some stressful situations, I remind myself that they will not go on forever. They have a beginning, a middle, and an end. When they're done, you never have to deal with them again. When you get worked up about a situation like this, remember that it won't kill you to put up with something unpleasant for a short period of time.

For quite a few stressful situations, I remind myself that it is often an illusion to think that a bad result is permanent. In other words, for the vast majority of events that you experience in life, if you fuck them up, you can still fix them later. Here's an example. Suppose you are in college, studying to be a doctor (premed undergraduate). When I was in college, a few of my friends were premed. For these guys, a lot depends on the MCAT exam. It is a single test that greatly affects their chances of getting into medical school. I kept hearing about "double digits" --- as long as you got a score of 10 or greater, you're fine. Well one of my friends did significantly worse than double digits. He was crushed. I remember him saying "What the hell am I going to do now?" He had a bit of a drug problem before doing crappy on the MCAT, and his drug problem only got worse after that. I don't know what became of him; we eventually lost contact.

A few years later, I ran into an old friend from highschool, and she was studying to become a doctor as well. She told me that she didn't get into any of the medical schools she applied to. I reluctantly asked her "what are you going to do?" She told me that she was going to wait another year and reapply. Apparently, there are many things that can make it possible to get acceptance on the second try, including retaking the MCAT or a enrolling in a poost-baccalaureate program (see Reapplying to Medical School - Health Professions and Prelaw Center - Indiana University - University Division and Reapply to Medical School - A Second Chance for example). As a last resort, she told me she'd go to some crappy off-shore medical school, but it was still good enough to practice medicine in the US even if it wasn't perfect.

I remember thinking back to my old friend in college. It was a stark contrast between his attitude and this girls attitude. This is a good illustration of "all or nothing" thinking. If you tend towards perfectionism, you can place undue stress on yourself, believing that there's only one good outcome (perfection), when in fact there are lots of sub-optimal outcomes that you can still work with.

I use the example of the MCAT to show that even extreme situations often have a less-than-perfect solution, but far more often, situations are even more forgiving, and you can often fix a bad outcome by just trying again. This isn't bullshit. People fuck up all the time. You just pick yourself up, and try again, and move on.

None of the above really applies to situations like having parents in poor health. In these kinds of situations, the truth is you can dwell on death regardless of how close death is, because the truth is, death is guaranteed. Death will come eventually. And even if the person you're worrying about isn't really that close to death, they're still going to die. So when do you start worrying? When do you get depressed? Some people say only when someone is terminally ill. Other people say when someone is old. Others still say you should worry about death all the time because you never truly know when it will be the last time that you will talk to a loved one, so you should treat every moment like its your last. Who is right? Can you say so with certainty? The truth is it is arbitrary. People will die, so you can, if you want, decide that you're going to worry about it all the time. How can anyone tell you that you are wrong to do so? Certainly, I cannot. However, I can say that it's not going to make death not happen. In my mind, the very purpose of worrying is to figure out what you can do to avoid a bad situation. If I worry about getting mugged, I think about what I can do to avoid it, or how I can defend myself it is unavoidable. If I worry about someone I love dying, then I think about what I can do to make sure that they are well cared for so that their health doesn't fail. I'm confident that I'm a smart guy, so I am likely to believe that I can do something to tilt the statistics in my favor, and often times I'm right. Once I've done this, I've fulfilled the purpose of worrying. After that, worrying performs absolutely no function, and there is nothing to gain from it. For this reason, I think that worrying is useful until you've exhausted your options. Then its just plain stupid.

Ask yourself if there's anything more that you can do to help your parents' health situation. Once you've done what you need to do, then stop worrying until the situation changes. They're still going to die. But you don't need to worry until they get sick, or something changes.

Its this kind of purpose-oriented thinking that will help you decide when its appropriate (i.e. useful) to worry, and when its not doing you any good.

Then there's the kind of stress that comes from bad situations that just don't have any good solution at all. Having a disease is one of these situations. Getting in an accident is one of these situations. Some people try to put their faith in God and say that there's a master plan. That does not work for me. Some people say that they've become a better person as a result of such-and-such happening. That does not work for me either. I simply think of how something shitty can happen for seemingly no reason, and your life is just not made better by it. Again, for some the above two strategies are good, but not so much for me.

I suppose you could say that I'm more interested in pragmatism. Something shitty can happen. It's just statistics. But then what? What are my choices? Do I just throw in the towel? Do I spend the rest of my life licking my wounds? Crying about how terrible this thing that has happened to me is? Sure, why not? If it does me some good, I'll do it. In practice, sitting around and feeling sorry for yourself only does good in the short term --- it strangely makes you feel a bit better. I think it is something about the catharsis of getting all that emotion up to the surface. I think its the reason why people cry at all. But then what? Then it stops feeling good, and it just starts to drag you down. How does it benefit me in the long term to sit around and cry about this shitty thing that happened to me? It does not. On the contrary, I'm sitting around feeling sorry for myself, feeling like shit all the time. Does it fix my shitty situation? No.

Now what? I get tired of feeling like shit all the time, and I'm tired thinking about this shitty thing that's happened to me, and I can't see it ever getting any better. Time to kill myself? That's just fucking retarded.

You can spend time licking your wounds feeling sorry for yourself, or you can spend time doing the things you like to do. The choice is yours. Often times, the shitty things that happen to you don't prevent you from doing the things that you enjoy doing. Sometimes, a shitty thing will happen that will prevent you from doing something you love, but chances are there are still other things that you enjoy that you can still do. Often times, there are still dreams and aspirations that are within your reach, and you can still work towards them. As trite as it sounds, it is still true: you can choose what you want to focus on, and your happiness will follow accordingly. You don't have to believe me that you can actually change the way you feel about your life, but you can't deny that you do in fact still have the power to do the things you still like to do. It may not be perfect (e.g. you'll still see floaters when you're doing what you like to do), but you can still do these things.

That is my approach to these kinds of setbacks. I mentioned to you that a few years ago, I got diagnosed with a genetic disorder. Yeah, it was shitty to find out about it. But after it stopped being "fun" to feel sorry for myself, I just went back to normal life, doing what it is that I like to do, and life moved on. And yes, I enjoy this more than sitting around feeling sorry for myself.

That's my 2 cents. If you don't like my version of coping with stress, there's a hundred other ways to look at things. But once you've figured out that you're not looking at things the right way, you might want to spend some time trying to figure out another way to look at things.

As far as my sister goes, I'm obviously not concerned about being sad in this case. Being sad in this case is not a "problem" that needs fixing. However, if I was still so sad in 5 years that I couldn't return to my normal life, that would obviously be a different story...
 
I'm sorry about your sister. I can't imagine how this must be. It sounds very depressing especially when you know that there's no hope. In this case I don't know if it makes sense to prolong the time of suffering for all people who are involved.

What you wrote about stress and worrying sounds reasonable. That's not the actual problem. The problem is when you know what you should do and still cannot do it. What do you do then? I also know that getting caught up in feeling sorry for myself does not help me at all and still many times I just cannot prevent it. And what shall I do then? Then I simply feel powerless towards myself.
If you have the willpower or whatever you call it to prevent this then you're lucky but not everybody is the same. I find myself dwelling on the same things which I cannot change and which depress me again and again and I cannot seem to stop it! I wish I could but I can't. I know what I should do and what I shouldn't do but I cannot put it into practice. What shall I do about this when I am simply the problem? I know that I'm weak. I wish I had something like a coach to motivate me when I'm depressed or to keep me from doing wrong things or who tells me what I need to hear in certain situations because I can't pull myself out by my own hair this simply doesn't work. Once I am depressed I can stay there for days or longer and simply can't pull myself out. This makes you feel really powerless. You know what you should do but you don't do it. And then I don't just feel depressed I am also angry at myself for not being able to "reign" over my emotions. So many people today speak about this. You have to "overcome" and "reign" about your emotions and you have to be successful and not let your emotions dictate your life but for me this stuff simply doesn't work. I don't function like a machine with perfect control over myself and every action which I perform is totally rational and I don't do anything which I know is harmful to me. In reality it doesn't work this way. Do you not also sometimes do things which you know do not help you at all like drinking or seeking any other kind of quick fix to make you feel better for a short time and then afterwards you feel worse than before? This isn't rational and yet I do it and I hate it but at the same time many times I feel powerless towards myself to prevent it. And then I condemn myself and feel defeated and this makes me feel even more depressed. Then I also don't respect myself. How can I respect myself when I'm defeated so many times?
It's a vicious circle. If I mess up and go to bed in a depressed state then I also wake up depressed and then the next day is also already messed up before it even began. :(
Does this only happen to me? What can you do against it if all the motivational tricks simply don't work? You can believe me I'd really like to be different and be more disciplined and not do so many stupid things but it's like something I cannot attain. I really don't like myself.
 
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I'm sorry about your sister. I can't imagine how this must be. It sounds very depressing especially when you know that there's no hope. In this case I don't know if it makes sense to prolong the time of suffering for all people who are involved.

What you wrote about stress and worrying sounds reasonable. That's not the actual problem. The problem is when you know what you should do and still cannot do it. What do you do then? I also know that getting caught up in feeling sorry for myself does not help me at all and still many times I just cannot prevent it. And what shall I do then? Then I simply feel powerless towards myself.
If you have the willpower or whatever you call it to prevent this then you're lucky but not everybody is the same. I find myself dwelling on the same things which I cannot change and which depress me again and again and I cannot seem to stop it! I wish I could but I can't. I know what I should do and what I shouldn't do but I cannot put it into practice. What shall I do about this when I am simply the problem? I know that I'm weak. I wish I had something like a coach to motivate me when I'm depressed or to keep me from doing wrong things or who tells me what I need to hear in certain situations because I can't pull myself out by my own hair this simply doesn't work. Once I am depressed I can stay there for days or longer and simply can't pull myself out. This makes you feel really powerless. You know what you should do but you don't do it. And then I don't just feel depressed I am also angry at myself for not being able to "reign" over my emotions. So many people today speak about this. You have to "overcome" and "reign" about your emotions and you have to be successful and not let your emotions dictate your life but for me this stuff simply doesn't work. I don't function like a machine with perfect control over myself and every action which I perform is totally rational and I don't do anything which I know is harmful to me. In reality it doesn't work this way. Do you not also sometimes do things which you know do not help you at all like drinking or seeking any other kind of quick fix to make you feel better for a short time and then afterwards you feel worse than before? This isn't rational and yet I do it and I hate it but at the same time many times I feel powerless towards myself to prevent it. And then I condemn myself and feel defeated and this makes me feel even more depressed. Then I also don't respect myself. How can I respect myself when I'm defeated so many times?
It's a vicious circle. If I mess up and go to bed in a depressed state then I also wake up depressed and then the next day is also already messed up before it even began. :(
Does this only happen to me? What can you do against it if all the motivational tricks simply don't work? You can believe me I'd really like to be different and be more disciplined and not do so many stupid things but it's like something I cannot attain. I really don't like myself.

I've been careful to think about what is happening with me when I get into the kind of state of mind that you're describing. I think it happens to a lot of people (that's probably why so many people are on medication). I was careful to consider the possibility of "chemical imbalance." God knows that shit is pushed down our throats enough; everywhere you look, there's an ad for a new antidepressant, with cartoon characters showing us just how happy they are now that they've taken the magic "fix me" pill.

I think that there are people who are suffering from a chemical imbalance, but I think that they are in the minority. I think that there are better explanations for the rest of us. Not that I think it would be a bad idea to use one of these medications when you're in over your head (I certainly think that these medications are good for such times), but I just don't buy the talk that 70% of the world has this unexplainable "disease" called depression that we just need to take a medication for so that we can finally be normal.

I've come to the conclusion that there is more than one path that leads to this state of mind. Depending on what it is that has brought you to it, there are different ways to get out of it. Sometimes more than one of these paths apply to your situation. I can really only speak for myself, I'll go over a few reasons that I've come up with why "thinking" yourself out of depression can fail:

There are certain types of thought patterns that happen a lot with depression, and the brain is quick to employ them as though they were guaranteed truths, even though they are not. Since we intrinsically believe these conclusions, we do not see where our thought process has led us astray. These automatic thought patters are the ones that we are used to, and they can creep back into usage, even when we have successfully corrected our perspective.

I think this is happening with you, so I'll illustrate with an example. For a while, you might be OK with the floaters, and then after a few days, you go back to being depressed about them. There are automatic thoughts at work here that quickly bring you to the conclusion that the very presence of the floaters makes your life suck. These are the thoughts that I'm talking about: there's no evaluation of these conclusions, its just something that your brain accepts as truth. As simplistic as it sounds, the way to fix these automatic thoughts is to explicitly trace the logic, step by step, that leads you to the correct conclusion. For example, you can't just say "I shouldn't be depressed because of the floaters." That doesn't go over the reasoning; somehow, even though you already know the reasons you're going to go over, it is this process of explicitly going over the steps in the reasoning that establishes this new pattern in the brain: "The floaters do not prevent me from doing the things I like to do. I can still do these things, and I still enjoy them. I can still live my life happily, because I can still do the things that I enjoy despite the presence of the floaters." It sounds like the same statement as "I shouldn't be depressed because of the floaters," but somehow, going over the reasoning has a drastically different impact. Maybe it is because it helps to strengthen the connections in the brain, and your brain more readily uses these stronger connections. I don't really know. But I have noticed that when I have automatic thoughts like this, I can't just rely on a conclusion that I've come to in the past; I have to go over the reasoning again, and then I'm on board for a little while longer.

For really bad problems, I've even taken the time to go over the reasoning a few times a day just to get those connections stronger. I always think its going to be a useless effort, but when I actually go over the reasoning, it somehow has an effect. It sounds like bullshit, but the opposite of what I'm saying sounds even more like bullshit: that you can be depressed about something even when you've proven to yourself that you're being depressed for a shitty reason. I'm convinced that the reason why people can still be depressed about something even when they've proven to themselves that they shouldn't be depressed is because of these automatic thoughts, and the way to combat these automatic thoughts is to reprogram them in the way that I've described above. It is worthwhile to mention that this process happens to people regardless of the strength of their resolve, so even if you are convinced that you are weak-willed, know that even if you were of very strong will the same sort of thing happens.

Another way that thinking yourself out of depression can fail is that sometimes you're trying to make yourself believe things that deep down you do not believe. I think a lot of people struggle with this because they have a hard time knowing what they should be telling themselves. One example is when people try to fix low self esteem by just telling themselves that they love themselves. How are you going to just suddenly believe that you love yourself? You can try, but unless you believe it, you can't really correct your perspective. If you are going to change your perspective, you need to see how your old perspective is wrong, and only when you can concretely see where your old thinking is leading you to believe things that are not true will your perspective be truly corrected.

Like the previous idea, this sort of thing can happen whether you are strong willed and disciplined, or if you are weak willed; its just whether or not you actually see what is wrong with your old perspective.

If that is the case for you, then you should play devil's advocate, and re-examine your reasoning to try to find which part of the chain of conclusions you don't believe. Unless you actually believe what you are telling yourself, you can't truly convince yourself to accept your new thinking.

Lastly, it is worth mentioning that fixing your perspective doesn't fix your depression if there are other factors at work. For instance, suppose that you learn to effectively manage your stress. Let's say you come to terms with your health issues, and realize that you can still do what makes you happy, so you're not too bent out of shape about it. Suppose you come to the understanding that even if you don't completely ace your finals, you're pretty confident that you're not going to fail, and that truly, its good enough as long as you pass. Suppose that you come to the understanding that while your parents are in poor health, you've done all that you can to remedy the situation, and you've decided that its perfectly safe to push it out of your head until something changes. And let's say that all of these ideas are sticking. Will you still be depressed? Maybe, maybe not. If you are still depressed, then that means that there's something else at work. At that point, it will probably become more clear what that something else is.

I'm guessing that if you were able to find a way to just do these things, your life would probably be a whole lot more pleasant. But let's say for the sake of argument that there's still other things going on.

I can say from my own experiences that unless I had a clear idea of what it is that I want out of life, and unless I'm working towards that goal, I can find myself unhappy. It is good to stay in touch with what you ultimately want for yourself, and to make a plan to get towards it. I don't have to have everything I want right now, but as long as I'm actively working towards what I want, I can be happy. Maybe you don't like the subject you've decided to study, but maybe there's a way to use your degree to somehow find a career in it that you would get some pleasure out of. I can't really say one way or the other since I don't know what subject you've gone into (private message me with the subject if you don't want to say publicly).

In any case, I hope that the above ideas help to convince you that the reasons that its hard to "think" your way out of depression have nothing to do with the strength of your will. This is tricky stuff. And just like any good math problem, when you first start to work it out, it gets bigger, and bigger, and more ugly. Then, it reaches a point where its huge and spans the page. Then, after you've broken everything down, you can finally start simplifying. And then it comes back down in size and you have your answer, and its manageable again.
 
As for chemical imbalances I'm pretty sure that I really have one because I already had anxieties and other symptoms when I was young and wasn't aware of chemical imbalances and what that even is. Even when I was young I noticed that on some days when too much things happen it's like my mind gets too full and then I feel like I'm driven. Or sometimes even the smallest things can make me become depressed and feel like everything is senseless. But at the same time I'm scared of taking any medicine against depression because of the side effects. I mean once you take an antidepressant it's like you give the control out of your hand. The depression could get better but what do you do if you have a really bad day where without antidepressant you would only have felt despaired and hopeless but now where you take the antidepressant it could make this feeling even stronger if you're among those whose depression gets worse and then it could become really dangerous because then I don't know if I could still control myself. I really don't trust those drugs. If you're lucky you feel better and everything is good but what if you're not? What if the drug makes you lose control or enables you to do something you'd never have done without it? I don't know if I can take such a risk. I also fear that once you start putting something into your body which messes with your brain it could permanently change something and even if you stop taking it that you could still suffer from it or that it could induce other mental illnesses. It would be interesting to know how many really disturbed persons started their "career" as solely depressed persons and then started taking an antidepressant which then later on trigger much worse mental illnesses. I really don't know what I should do wether I should get on something or not. It could be wrong or it could be right. :(

As for perspectives,
I think that this could work for some issues where you think things through and then convince yourself that you were wrong for example the girl who thought she is fat. I could imagine that this could work in such cases. But I don't think it works for me. It's a difference wether your problem is only mental or only physical. The biggest reason why I'm depressed and feel hopeless is because of my bad health. These are things I cannot deny or ignore. Today i had to get up early after sleeping only a few hours and in such cases I'm even more depressed because I like to sleep or lie in bed because that's when I feel most comfortable. And then I get up and my shoulders hurt and other things in my body also hurt and when I look in the mirror then I see those fibromas which remind me of the genetic stuff and then I'm already hopelessly depressed. I simply have so many different things which are wrong which all drag me down. If it was only 1 thing or if it was at least things which I did not feel or which I could ignore then it would be much easier but I can't ignore those things. I simply feel totally miserable and have no strength to do anything which I don't like.When you get up and feel like crap and have to do things you don't like all the time then how could you not be depressed? My life is all about things I don't like and about pressure and worries. It simply doesn't work this way. I cannot just tell myself I can still do the things I like. I liked working out I could not do this anymore. I doubt I'd last only 1 week in the gym without my whole body aching.
This is simply not normal. I have been having pain in one finger for months now. Nobody can tell me what it is or how to get rid of it. X-rays and MRI showed nothing and still the finger hurts when I bend it. How do you think does this feel when you have so much crap and the doctors cannot even help you? Until I was 23 I felt healthy and had no pain and now I'm 30 and feel like an old man. My shoulders hurt, my knees crack, my neck hurts and makes grinding noises when I move my head from one side to the other and so on. I could write a very long list with things which are wrong and these aren't small trivial things you could simply ignore. And the floaters are also anything but harmless. It's comparable to feeling pain. When I am out there in the sun and see them then it's like feeling pain. I cannot simply tell myself that this isn't a problem and then everything is fine this does not work. Imagine you enjoy walking a marathon and you can still walk that marathon but only with having pain all the time then this would also depress you and you couldn't just tell you that you can still do everything you want to do.
And it's also not normal that someone at my age already has so much crap. I don't understand this. How is it possible that one person has so many different diseases at once? This makes me feel so inferior. :(
My father is also in bad shape but when he was as old as me he was in good health. How in the world could I be optimistic and look forward to the future when I have all these problems and from a human standpoint it can only get worse? Do you think my health will suddenly get better or stabilize? My health only got worse over the time. This creates a huge fear in me. It's like losing control. Your body gets worse and you cannot do anything against it. This is a terrible feeling. I cannot win this battle. How shall I survive and make a living when I'm totally worn out and have no strength? People in my age should have energy to do things and not want to lie in bed all day.
You can't expect someone who is physically ill to be mentally healthy and of good cheer and positive. I think this is very unlikely.
If I only had stress due to studying and was physically healthy then I could try to get it on and look forward to be finished one day. If I was only physically sick and did not have to worry about working I could at least be at home and lie in bed and watch TV and make life as easy as possible. I could arrange myself with my health.
But how shall I be both sick and have no strength and then survive in this world and have energy to work? I hate working. I did a practical course during the semester holidays a few years ago. Back then my health was still relatively good and I still hated it. I don't even know if I could do the same thing with my health now. I don't even know if I'd be capable of working in a job continually, if I found one. My situation really is serious. When I saw a neurologist because of some issues I had which he thought were "psychosomatic" [whenever you have something they cannot explain it's always psychosomatic... :rolleyes: ] he also started asking me questions about my life and about what I am doing and he looked very concerned. He did not want to dig too deep but from the questions he asked me about what I want to do with my life I knew exactly what he was thinking. He was thinking exactly what I am thinking, too. He also most likely thought that my situation and my outlook do not look good at all. And seeing his concerned face made me feel even more miserable and despaired. That's also why going to a psychologist isn't something I'm keen on. Either he could not help me with his advice or he might reaffirm me in my own opinion that my situation is really totally terrible and then I'd feel even worse and also talking about my problems only drags me down further just like writing about them. Writing this here also drags me down because I try to suppress these thoughts.
 
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As for chemical imbalances I'm pretty sure that I really have one because I already had anxieties and other symptoms when I was young and wasn't aware of chemical imbalances and what that even is. Even when I was young I noticed that on some days when too much things happen it's like my mind gets too full and then I feel like I'm driven. Or sometimes even the smallest things can make me become depressed and feel like everything is senseless. But at the same time I'm scared of taking any medicine against depression because of the side effects. I mean once you take an antidepressant it's like you give the control out of your hand. The depression could get better but what do you do if you have a really bad day where without antidepressant you would only have felt despaired and hopeless but now where you take the antidepressant it could make this feeling even stronger if you're among those whose depression gets worse and then it could become really dangerous because then I don't know if I could still control myself. I really don't trust those drugs. If you're lucky you feel better and everything is good but what if you're not? What if the drug makes you lose control or enables you to do something you'd never have done without it? I don't know if I can take such a risk. I also fear that once you start putting something into your body which messes with your brain it could permanently change something and even if you stop taking it that you could still suffer from it or that it could induce other mental illnesses. It would be interesting to know how many really disturbed persons started their "career" as solely depressed persons and then started taking an antidepressant which then later on trigger much worse mental illnesses. I really don't know what I should do wether I should get on something or not. It could be wrong or it could be right. :(

As for perspectives,
I think that this could work for some issues where you think things through and then convince yourself that you were wrong for example the girl who thought she is fat. I could imagine that this could work in such cases. But I don't think it works for me. It's a difference wether your problem is only mental or only physical. The biggest reason why I'm depressed and feel hopeless is because of my bad health. These are things I cannot deny or ignore. Today i had to get up early after sleeping only a few hours and in such cases I'm even more depressed because I like to sleep or lie in bed because that's when I feel most comfortable. And then I get up and my shoulders hurt and other things in my body also hurt and when I look in the mirror then I see those fibromas which remind me of the genetic stuff and then I'm already hopelessly depressed. I simply have so many different things which are wrong which all drag me down. If it was only 1 thing or if it was at least things which I did not feel or which I could ignore then it would be much easier but I can't ignore those things. I simply feel totally miserable and have no strength to do anything which I don't like.When you get up and feel like crap and have to do things you don't like all the time then how could you not be depressed? My life is all about things I don't like and about pressure and worries. It simply doesn't work this way. I cannot just tell myself I can still do the things I like. I liked working out I could not do this anymore. I doubt I'd last only 1 week in the gym without my whole body aching.
This is simply not normal. I have been having pain in one finger for months now. Nobody can tell me what it is or how to get rid of it. X-rays and MRI showed nothing and still the finger hurts when I bend it. How do you think does this feel when you have so much crap and the doctors cannot even help you? Until I was 23 I felt healthy and had no pain and now I'm 30 and feel like an old man. My shoulders hurt, my knees crack, my neck hurts and makes grinding noises when I move my head from one side to the other and so on. I could write a very long list with things which are wrong and these aren't small trivial things you could simply ignore. And the floaters are also anything but harmless. It's comparable to feeling pain. When I am out there in the sun and see them then it's like feeling pain. I cannot simply tell myself that this isn't a problem and then everything is fine this does not work. Imagine you enjoy walking a marathon and you can still walk that marathon but only with having pain all the time then this would also depress you and you couldn't just tell you that you can still do everything you want to do.
And it's also not normal that someone at my age already has so much crap. I don't understand this. How is it possible that one person has so many different diseases at once? This makes me feel so inferior. :(
My father is also in bad shape but when he was as old as me he was in good health. How in the world could I be optimistic and look forward to the future when I have all these problems and from a human standpoint it can only get worse? Do you think my health will suddenly get better or stabilize? My health only got worse over the time. This creates a huge fear in me. It's like losing control. Your body gets worse and you cannot do anything against it. This is a terrible feeling. I cannot win this battle. How shall I survive and make a living when I'm totally worn out and have no strength? People in my age should have energy to do things and not want to lie in bed all day.
You can't expect someone who is physically ill to be mentally healthy and of good cheer and positive. I think this is very unlikely.
If I only had stress due to studying and was physically healthy then I could try to get it on and look forward to be finished one day. If I was only physically sick and did not have to worry about working I could at least be at home and lie in bed and watch TV and make life as easy as possible. I could arrange myself with my health.
But how shall I be both sick and have no strength and then survive in this world and have energy to work? I hate working. I did a practical course during the semester holidays a few years ago. Back then my health was still relatively good and I still hated it. I don't even know if I could do the same thing with my health now. I don't even know if I'd be capable of working in a job continually, if I found one. My situation really is serious. When I saw a neurologist because of some issues I had which he thought were "psychosomatic" [whenever you have something they cannot explain it's always psychosomatic... :rolleyes: ] he also started asking me questions about my life and about what I am doing and he looked very concerned. He did not want to dig too deep but from the questions he asked me about what I want to do with my life I knew exactly what he was thinking. He was thinking exactly what I am thinking, too. He also most likely thought that my situation and my outlook do not look good at all. And seeing his concerned face made me feel even more miserable and despaired. That's also why going to a psychologist isn't something I'm keen on. Either he could not help me with his advice or he might reaffirm me in my own opinion that my situation is really totally terrible and then I'd feel even worse and also talking about my problems only drags me down further just like writing about them. Writing this here also drags me down because I try to suppress these thoughts.

Felt most of the same shit you did. Nobody could tell me what was wrong, had 6 months of all sorts of shit fucking me up. Took and SSRI and recovered - all symptoms gone. So you have two choices - continue to suffer and decline or take the plunge. Your heading for the bottom right now so taking a drug can't sure makes a lot of sense to me if the end result if you don't is - quite literally - death.

Quit being so damn scared.
 
As for chemical imbalances I'm pretty sure that I really have one because I already had anxieties and other symptoms when I was young and wasn't aware of chemical imbalances and what that even is. Even when I was young I noticed that on some days when too much things happen it's like my mind gets too full and then I feel like I'm driven. Or sometimes even the smallest things can make me become depressed and feel like everything is senseless. But at the same time I'm scared of taking any medicine against depression because of the side effects. I mean once you take an antidepressant it's like you give the control out of your hand. The depression could get better but what do you do if you have a really bad day where without antidepressant you would only have felt despaired and hopeless but now where you take the antidepressant it could make this feeling even stronger if you're among those whose depression gets worse and then it could become really dangerous because then I don't know if I could still control myself. I really don't trust those drugs. If you're lucky you feel better and everything is good but what if you're not? What if the drug makes you lose control or enables you to do something you'd never have done without it? I don't know if I can take such a risk. I also fear that once you start putting something into your body which messes with your brain it could permanently change something and even if you stop taking it that you could still suffer from it or that it could induce other mental illnesses. It would be interesting to know how many really disturbed persons started their "career" as solely depressed persons and then started taking an antidepressant which then later on trigger much worse mental illnesses. I really don't know what I should do wether I should get on something or not. It could be wrong or it could be right. :(

As for perspectives,
I think that this could work for some issues where you think things through and then convince yourself that you were wrong for example the girl who thought she is fat. I could imagine that this could work in such cases. But I don't think it works for me. It's a difference wether your problem is only mental or only physical. The biggest reason why I'm depressed and feel hopeless is because of my bad health. These are things I cannot deny or ignore. Today i had to get up early after sleeping only a few hours and in such cases I'm even more depressed because I like to sleep or lie in bed because that's when I feel most comfortable. And then I get up and my shoulders hurt and other things in my body also hurt and when I look in the mirror then I see those fibromas which remind me of the genetic stuff and then I'm already hopelessly depressed. I simply have so many different things which are wrong which all drag me down. If it was only 1 thing or if it was at least things which I did not feel or which I could ignore then it would be much easier but I can't ignore those things. I simply feel totally miserable and have no strength to do anything which I don't like.When you get up and feel like crap and have to do things you don't like all the time then how could you not be depressed? My life is all about things I don't like and about pressure and worries. It simply doesn't work this way. I cannot just tell myself I can still do the things I like. I liked working out I could not do this anymore. I doubt I'd last only 1 week in the gym without my whole body aching.
This is simply not normal. I have been having pain in one finger for months now. Nobody can tell me what it is or how to get rid of it. X-rays and MRI showed nothing and still the finger hurts when I bend it. How do you think does this feel when you have so much crap and the doctors cannot even help you? Until I was 23 I felt healthy and had no pain and now I'm 30 and feel like an old man. My shoulders hurt, my knees crack, my neck hurts and makes grinding noises when I move my head from one side to the other and so on. I could write a very long list with things which are wrong and these aren't small trivial things you could simply ignore. And the floaters are also anything but harmless. It's comparable to feeling pain. When I am out there in the sun and see them then it's like feeling pain. I cannot simply tell myself that this isn't a problem and then everything is fine this does not work. Imagine you enjoy walking a marathon and you can still walk that marathon but only with having pain all the time then this would also depress you and you couldn't just tell you that you can still do everything you want to do.
And it's also not normal that someone at my age already has so much crap. I don't understand this. How is it possible that one person has so many different diseases at once? This makes me feel so inferior. :(
My father is also in bad shape but when he was as old as me he was in good health. How in the world could I be optimistic and look forward to the future when I have all these problems and from a human standpoint it can only get worse? Do you think my health will suddenly get better or stabilize? My health only got worse over the time. This creates a huge fear in me. It's like losing control. Your body gets worse and you cannot do anything against it. This is a terrible feeling. I cannot win this battle. How shall I survive and make a living when I'm totally worn out and have no strength? People in my age should have energy to do things and not want to lie in bed all day.
You can't expect someone who is physically ill to be mentally healthy and of good cheer and positive. I think this is very unlikely.
If I only had stress due to studying and was physically healthy then I could try to get it on and look forward to be finished one day. If I was only physically sick and did not have to worry about working I could at least be at home and lie in bed and watch TV and make life as easy as possible. I could arrange myself with my health.
But how shall I be both sick and have no strength and then survive in this world and have energy to work? I hate working. I did a practical course during the semester holidays a few years ago. Back then my health was still relatively good and I still hated it. I don't even know if I could do the same thing with my health now. I don't even know if I'd be capable of working in a job continually, if I found one. My situation really is serious. When I saw a neurologist because of some issues I had which he thought were "psychosomatic" [whenever you have something they cannot explain it's always psychosomatic... :rolleyes: ] he also started asking me questions about my life and about what I am doing and he looked very concerned. He did not want to dig too deep but from the questions he asked me about what I want to do with my life I knew exactly what he was thinking. He was thinking exactly what I am thinking, too. He also most likely thought that my situation and my outlook do not look good at all. And seeing his concerned face made me feel even more miserable and despaired. That's also why going to a psychologist isn't something I'm keen on. Either he could not help me with his advice or he might reaffirm me in my own opinion that my situation is really totally terrible and then I'd feel even worse and also talking about my problems only drags me down further just like writing about them. Writing this here also drags me down because I try to suppress these thoughts.

While I believe it is true that there are more people on psychiatric medications than there are people with true chemical imbalances, that does not mean that chemical imbalances do not exist. So for all I know you actually do have a chemical imbalance. I'm not qualified to say one way or another.

However, I will say that a chemical imbalance is not required in order for someone to be having the struggle that you are having. Certainly, if you did have a chemical imbalance, that would make finding yourself in this situation much more likely, and taking an SSRI would probably help get you out of it.

If you didn't have a chemical imbalance, then the SSRI would work more like a band-aid in that it would help you rebound from deep depressive episodes, but it would not prevent the depressive episodes, and it doesn't change the way that people deal with their problems (you would still need cognitive techniques for that).

I think that the best course of action for you is to formulate a plan with the intention of problem-solving. Regardless of what the situation is, no matter how dire, there is something that can be done to improve it. And when you take action and actually improve your situation, you feel empowered and your moral improves. After all, once you have established that there is something in your life that is making you unhappy, you really have two choices: cry about it, or do what you can to find improvements. There's nothing wrong with crying about it, but after a while, you owe it to yourself to do something about it.

This is what your situation looks like to me: part of the problem is your situation, and part of the problem is still in the domain of correcting your perspective.

(Part of the problem is your situation: ) You mentioned that you find yourself always doing things you hate, and never are you able to do anything that you like. That can be demoralizing for anyone. Part of your plan should be figuring out how to correct this, or at least how to manage it. I'll go into more detail below.

(Part of the problem is your perspective: ) You've also mentioned that your problem is not knowing what the right way to think is, but rather you have trouble putting theory into practice. I don't agree with that. It sounds to me like you still lack perspective when it comes to some of your problems; some of the things that you are most depressed about are not so distressing to other people, and that is all about perspective. More on this below.

Regardless of what your plan is, you should make one. You can change something, even though you can't change everything.

As far as always doing things you hate doing, and never doing things you like to do, you should do what you can to correct this. We all have things that we don't like doing, but find a way to change your path so that these things don't go on forever. Have you been depressed for so long that you forget what it is that you actually enjoy doing? If that is the case, then take the time to make a list of what it is that you actually enjoy in life. Sounds stupid, but if you are out of touch with this, then its a good way to get back in touch with it. Find the time to do some of these things. If you don't have the time now because of finals / papers / etc., then rest assured that your lack of time will not go on forever. It may not currently be possible, but it will not always be impossible to make the time for yourself to do what you like.

You mention that you enjoyed going to the gym. Exercise is a good way to change your body's chemistry to an extent. No, it won't correct a chemical imbalance, but it will make you feel better (so long as you don't over-do it). I'm not convinced that your fibromas will prevent you from doing some kind of exercise. Instead of taking the defeatist attitude that you will fail, you should just go to the gym, and do some light exercise to maximize your chances of success. Gradually increase the intensity next time if all goes well.

Other things that you can do to help your body's chemistry are going to bed and waking up at the same time every day. Getting up and going to bed at different times can throw your body's internal clock of of sync, which can alter a lot of different bodily processes. Correcting this by just making sure you get ready for bed at the same time every night and getting out of bed at the same time every morning can save yourself a lot of feel-like-shit-for-no-reason.

And if you really want to, you can also eat 5 meals a day instead of 3, all while avoiding simple carbohydrates. This will help you with insulin swings which can also help stabilize your moods.

A lot of us on this forum have struggled with health issues that are mysterious and have stumped doctors. It is frustrating, no doubt about it. But again, what do you do? If you can't get a diagnosis, do you stop living? Of course not.

And while you may not believe me that your perspective is still off on some things, you have indicated that you are aware of your inclination towards pessimism and defeatism. It is not such a difficult leap to believe that this pessimism and defeatism may be affecting your current perspective, even if you aren't exactly sure how it is doing so. If I were you, I would see a counselor, and would argue with him / her about perspective. At the very least, they can tailor some stress management techniques for you. Remember that counseling does not have to be Freudian therapy about how your mommy let you down. It can be real-world, practical advice about how to deal with stress. It can be an additional perspective to show you where you might be distorting reality. I can sit here and tell you that meditation and having keeping structured work habits can help with stress, but they can show you how, concretely.

I'm writing all of this out to give you some examples of a pro-active approach to a bad situation. Like I said earlier, you can coarsely divide one's response to a bad situation into two categories: feeling sad, and taking action. And again, there is nothing wrong with feeling sad, but you've still got to do something about it if you ever expect it to change. You owe it to yourself.
 
This might help, from a bro over at my atheist forum: http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/song_details/8520311

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Hi,

I think that the best course of action for you is to formulate a plan with the intention of problem-solving.

The problem with this is that most of the problems which depress (being sick) me cannot be solved. I cannot tackle them.
The other problem is my studies and this problem also cannot simply be solved and then moved out of the way, at least not in a short time. The pressure situation will last until I am finished which will take almost 12 months from now. In this time now it seems very hard to find some relief or remove the pressure because the pressure is simply there. I cannot escape it. I am now under pressure needing to write my thesis and once I am finished with this then I am under pressure having to learn for the exams. This is very hard to deal with. There is no turning back now. This is like a soldier going to war. He has nothing to look forward to unless he survives and makes it home again but other than that there is no relief and at the same time he also doesn't really know if he will come back or not. All he has in front of himself is the war and there is nothing else he could fix his eyes on. That's how I feel.
It is a difference if you're under pressure for a few days or weeks and now that once you gets past this everything is fine again or if you know that this will last for many months and at the end of this, before you can ever feel happy and free again, there's still this giant hurdle. This makes it even harder compared to if you only had to suffer a certain time and then after that time you will automatically feel better. Not in my case though. In my case feeling better or not depends on me and if I make it or not.

It may be true that other people would deal different with things which depress me. This is possible but I am not other people. There are people in wheelchairs who are totally optimistic. Great but this doesn't make it easier for me. I have always had a tendency to be depressed and now I also have real reasons to be depressed. I just don't know how to not be depressed.
And sometimes it's even small things which can change my mood and make me become depressed. It simply adds up. Imagine you have a whole list of problems and then you accidentally spill your coffee on the floor then this alone can make you become totally depressed. At least it's this way for me. I can become depressed within seconds because of trivial things which piss me off and then it's not because of these trivial things but because of the whole situation. I don't know how to guard myself against this.
What you tell me I need to do is not be depressed even though I have all reasons to be depressed. I don't know how this is supposed to work. I really don't think many people could be in my shoes and walk around being happy. That would be inappropriate and abnormal.

I also have no hobbies or things I like to do. My whole thoughts revolve around my studies.
Even if I had a hobby then I'd also not feel better because of this. And at the moment I also had no nerves to purse anything which divides my attention. I could not even workout and follow a plan because it would draw too much attention away and only confuse me. And it also makes no sense at all to workout. This would be like putting new color on a rusty,old car. It simply would not make sense to even think about working out with my health problems.

I'm thankful for you trying to help me and taking so much time but I can only tell you how it is.
I feel like I can't pull myself out of this and motivate myself and approach all problems systematically and solve them because there is not much I could solve on my own.
 
The problem with this is that most of the problems which depress (being sick) me cannot be solved. I cannot tackle them.
The other problem is my studies and this problem also cannot simply be solved and then moved out of the way, at least not in a short time.

This is a good example of "all or nothing" thinking, a common "cognitive distortion". Here is the correction: just because you cannot solve a problem does not mean that you cannot do something to make it better.

It may be true that other people would deal different with things which depress me. This is possible but I am not other people. There are people in wheelchairs who are totally optimistic. Great but this doesn't make it easier for me. I have always had a tendency to be depressed and now I also have real reasons to be depressed. I just don't know how to not be depressed.

This is understandable; it comes with the territory. That's why I've suggested that you move on to the next stage of dealing with a shitty situation: proactivity. You can be depressed and still take action; you don't have to make yourself un-depressed first.

What you tell me I need to do is not be depressed even though I have all reasons to be depressed. I don't know how this is supposed to work.

Actually, what I've told you is "I think that the best course of action for you is to formulate a plan with the intention of problem-solving. Regardless of what the situation is, no matter how dire, there is something that can be done to improve it. And when you take action and actually improve your situation, you feel empowered and your moral improves. After all, once you have established that there is something in your life that is making you unhappy, you really have two choices: cry about it, or do what you can to find improvements. There's nothing wrong with crying about it, but after a while, you owe it to yourself to do something about it."

You yourself have quoted part of this in your response, but you have chosen to focus only on the parts that you think will not help you. This is an example of "selective abstraction," another very common "cognitive distortion." Yeah, its annoying to hear how your behavior has been widely studied and categorized into cute little catch-phrases, but it doesn't make the conclusions any less true.

I also have no hobbies or things I like to do.

When you're really depressed, it's easy to forget what once brought you joy in life... It sounds stupid, but making a list of what you like actually can help you get back in touch with this.

I could not even workout and follow a plan because it would draw too much attention away and only confuse me.

This is called "arbitrary inference" or "catastrophizing." This is another common cognitive distortion that comes with depression; depression can make you quick to jump to a worst-case scenario despite a lack of adequate evidence that it will in fact happen. Here is the correction: the plan you make can be of any complexity you desire to make it. The complexity does not matter, it only matters that you start thinking proactively, and do something to improve your situation.

And it also makes no sense at all to workout. This would be like putting new color on a rusty,old car. It simply would not make sense to even think about working out with my health problems.

This is called "magnification." Here is the correction: there is no reason why your health problems as they are would prevent you from the benefits of exercise, even if you can't achieve Arnold-like results.

I'm thankful for you trying to help me and taking so much time but I can only tell you how it is. I feel like I can't pull myself out of this and motivate myself and approach all problems systematically and solve them because there is not much I could solve on my own.

It's OK. As you can see, I'm pretty undeterred. I wouldn't be much help if I just said "Oh, he's depressed, so he can't see how his viewpoint has become distorted. I should just let him be."

I'm citing these cognitive distortions not in an attempt to get you to study psychology, rather I'm doing so to show you that there are a lot of people that have spent a lot of time studying these thought patterns. Knowing that you have a tendency to be pessimistic can be used to counterbalance pessimistic thoughts in the present; in the same way, knowing how these thought patterns work can help you to recognize it when they are happening.

My advice to you is the same as before, because it is the truth: you should formulate a plan with the intention of problem-solving. Regardless of what the situation is, no matter how dire, there is something that can be done to improve it. And when you take action and actually improve your situation, you feel empowered and your moral improves. Once you have established that there is something in your life that is making you unhappy, you really have two choices: cry about it, or do what you can to find improvements. There's nothing wrong with crying about it, but after a while, you owe it to yourself to do something about it.
 
Hello structure, you're a nice person for trying to help me.
I have people in my family who wouldn't spend so much time trying to help someone else.

But I really don't know how these things like magnification and such help me. You see the problem is simply that my situation is damn serious and even if you think it's not as serious as I think it is then this does not help me because it is and I also think it is. I know that outsiders tend to take things much easier and less serious kind of like hey even if everything fails you can still work at a ranch or flip burgers. This kind of thinking does not help me one bit. I do not think this way. For me it is black or white. I am doing terribly and simply could not deal with any more problems. Other people could cope with things which I could not cope with. There are people who got nothing done and work at an assembly line but I could not do this neither mentally nor physically!
I simply cannot release pressure by thinking something like even if I fail then life still goes on because it would not simply go on. This is like saying even if you are in a wheelchair life still goes on. Yes but what kind of life? A life worth living? My situation is simply damn serious and even now when I think about the exams I feel this pressure and fear and it's still months away! If I am already under such a pressure now how will it be when it really becomes serious? I simply wish I had a way to get rid of this pressure but I cannot. I cannot tell myself anything which would put everything in perspective. Sometimes it is simply all or nothing and I can't deal with this very well. I wish I could just escape this pressure. I really don't know how other people deal with such all or nothing situations. How do they do this? Do they not think about how important this is? Or maybe they do and are also scared but this doesn't help me either.
I do not have a plan B. I cannot tell myself even if I fail then I simply do this or that.
You talk about magnifying or making problems seem bigger than they are but my problems are BIG there simply is no way around this. Sometimes I really thought about if it wouldn't be better to be dead then this whole stress would be over.
I also have experience with coping mechanisms. I have coped with other things in the past but you can only cope with a fear if you can replace it or bypass it but this fear can't be bypassed because it's too fundamental. How do you bypass something of such an importance that you feel like life and death depend on it?
 
Hello structure, you're a nice person for trying to help me.
I have people in my family who wouldn't spend so much time trying to help someone else.

But I really don't know how these things like magnification and such help me. You see the problem is simply that my situation is damn serious and even if you think it's not as serious as I think it is then this does not help me because it is and I also think it is. I know that outsiders tend to take things much easier and less serious kind of like hey even if everything fails you can still work at a ranch or flip burgers. This kind of thinking does not help me one bit. I do not think this way. For me it is black or white. I am doing terribly and simply could not deal with any more problems. Other people could cope with things which I could not cope with. There are people who got nothing done and work at an assembly line but I could not do this neither mentally nor physically!
I simply cannot release pressure by thinking something like even if I fail then life still goes on because it would not simply go on. This is like saying even if you are in a wheelchair life still goes on. Yes but what kind of life? A life worth living? My situation is simply damn serious and even now when I think about the exams I feel this pressure and fear and it's still months away! If I am already under such a pressure now how will it be when it really becomes serious? I simply wish I had a way to get rid of this pressure but I cannot. I cannot tell myself anything which would put everything in perspective. Sometimes it is simply all or nothing and I can't deal with this very well. I wish I could just escape this pressure. I really don't know how other people deal with such all or nothing situations. How do they do this? Do they not think about how important this is? Or maybe they do and are also scared but this doesn't help me either.
I do not have a plan B. I cannot tell myself even if I fail then I simply do this or that.
You talk about magnifying or making problems seem bigger than they are but my problems are BIG there simply is no way around this. Sometimes I really thought about if it wouldn't be better to be dead then this whole stress would be over.
I also have experience with coping mechanisms. I have coped with other things in the past but you can only cope with a fear if you can replace it or bypass it but this fear can't be bypassed because it's too fundamental. How do you bypass something of such an importance that you feel like life and death depend on it?

Hey Dalbert

You don't have to think that your problems are insignificant before you take my advice to heart. In fact, the more serious your situation is, the more relevant the advice becomes:

My advice to you is the same as before, because it is the truth: you should formulate a plan with the intention of problem-solving. Regardless of what the situation is, no matter how dire, there is something that can be done to improve it. And when you take action and actually improve your situation, you feel empowered and your moral improves. Once you have established that there is something in your life that is making you unhappy, you really have two choices: cry about it, or do what you can to find improvements. There's nothing wrong with crying about it, but after a while, you owe it to yourself to do something about it."

All this talk I've done about cognitive distortions isn't supposed to help you by somehow convincing you that you don't have any real problems. Rather, its supposed to help you see that there are a handful of ways that people react to their problems that make their situation worse.

Being show what these patterns look like does not typically stop people from employing them. However, it does help you realize that they are happening. Typically, it takes more intensive coaching to correct these patterns.

It's like you were saying earlier about having a tendency towards pessimism; if someone knows that they have a likelihood to see the worst in things, then the next time they are being pessimistic, they at least can be suspicious of the pessimism.

Breaking these patterns is really not so difficult when you have a guide to help you see what you cannot see. Like you have said many times, people do not typically correct their own aberrant thinking patterns. This is why I keep telling you that it would be really helpful if you started seeing a therapist that was experienced in cognitive therapy.

And as I've mentioned before, the intention of seeing a cognitive therapist is not the same as seeing a psychiatrist; a psychiatrist may try to medicate you. And it sounds like other kinds of therapy have not been so helpful for you in the past. From what you've told me, you're not the kind of guy that is looking for someone to go reiterate all of your problems to. What you need is someone who can help you see how you are making your problems worse for yourself.

This isn't just someone to tell you "think about your loved ones." Cognitive therapy is a well-developed field of psychology. And as I've mentioned above, the more serious your problems are, the more you owe it to yourself to take action.

If you are convinced that you cannot help yourself, as you have mentioned that you are, then that is all the more reason to see someone.

I hope that you can see the truth in what I'm saying. There is no better time to seek someone's help than when you yourself cannot see a solution.
 
I understand what you're saying and I paid attention and in some situations it is really helpful to remind yourself of some of those things like catastrophizing. But the problem is this simply does not always work. There are situations where I am way too depressed and way too hopeless to apply this. I don't think that this always works in all cases for everyone because the issue is motivation or strength or you could also call it hope. If you simply have no hope where are you supposed to pull the strength to just keep going like a machine? Imagine it's war and you lose everything. Family dead, house gone, possession gone. Do you really think in such a moment you stand there and instead of just wanting to lay down and die you think about what's the fastest way to build up your destroyed house again? No. You do not think like that in those situations. Your advice all make sense rationally but the problem is you do not think rationally when the problems you are facing are simply too big and are hopeless. As long as there is hope you can put up with a lot of shit but if hope's gone then there isn't much you can do. This is simply how it is.
I know there are certain people who are told they're about to die and they are still positive and I wonder how do they do this but I am not this way and also could not be this way.
 
I understand what you're saying and I paid attention and in some situations it is really helpful to remind yourself of some of those things like catastrophizing. But the problem is this simply does not always work. There are situations where I am way too depressed and way too hopeless to apply this. I don't think that this always works in all cases for everyone because the issue is motivation or strength or you could also call it hope. If you simply have no hope where are you supposed to pull the strength to just keep going like a machine? Imagine it's war and you lose everything. Family dead, house gone, possession gone. Do you really think in such a moment you stand there and instead of just wanting to lay down and die you think about what's the fastest way to build up your destroyed house again? No. You do not think like that in those situations. Your advice all make sense rationally but the problem is you do not think rationally when the problems you are facing are simply too big and are hopeless. As long as there is hope you can put up with a lot of shit but if hope's gone then there isn't much you can do. This is simply how it is.
I know there are certain people who are told they're about to die and they are still positive and I wonder how do they do this but I am not this way and also could not be this way.

Most people need more than just being told about the cognitive distortions, they need coaching. You need to be able to talk with someone educated and trained in cognitive therapy. Like you've said so many times: it is difficult to alter one's thinking patterns. This is the best way to do it, and I am confident that it is exactly what you need.

Here is a site where you can find a cognitive therapist in France: AFTCC
 
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