I just brewed test and am worried I destroyed it

[swolegorilla]

I just finished brewing up some test e and the final product looks great but I fear I may have degraded the hormone. I placed a beaker on a pan on top of my range and turned the heat dial to 2. I kept stirring the solution of ba, bb(not necessary, but I did 5%) oil and powder until it all dissolved into a clean uniform mixture. I am worried that the heat destroyed the active hormone. It did not get too hot IMO, because I was able to draw the mixture out with a syringe that was later attached to a filter. It was hot to the touch but did not burn me or anything. Do you guys think that I have damaged my hormone at all?

Sorry if this is going to be seen as a stupid question, and this is my first brew and I am kind of paranoid. The final product looks beautiful so I feel good about that.

 

[Docd187123]

If you were able to hold the beaker and not burn yourself you're fine. You didn't damage anything. I've used temps hotter than that and left it on too long before and everything came out fine.

 

[swolegorilla]

If you were able to hold the beaker and not burn yourself you're fine. You didn't damage anything. I've used temps hotter than that and left it on too long before and everything came out fine.

Thanks bud. I also tossed it in the oven for 15 minutes at 200F. I followed the directions from the basskiller site, but then I realized that some people are saying not to even heat it. The beaker was uncomfortable to hold, but I could hold it without it physically damaging my frail hands.

 

[Docd187123]

No need to place your gear in the oven

 

[swolegorilla]

No need to place your gear in the oven

Next time I'll just leave it alone after filtering it. I just did it because the basskiller site recommended it. Thanks again bud.

 

[Docd187123]

Next time I'll just leave it alone after filtering it. I just did it because the basskiller site recommended it. Thanks again bud.

Yea I've seen his site. Great guy and very smart but outdated and incorrect method.

 

[swolegorilla]

In that case would the oven be capable of causing any damage? I know that tren is easily damaged by heat, but are other hormones a bit more tolerant? I will be brewing again soon and want to follow the most up to date and effective protocols available.

 

[Big_paul]

Why is the bb not necessary? A high BA content means pip and possibly scar tissue if its too high.

1-2% is as high as I go with ba. Bb is a much more effective solvent and prevents crystallization after injecting.

 

[Docd187123]

Why is the bb not necessary? A high BA content means pip and possibly scar tissue if its too high.

1-2% is as high as I go with ba. Bb is a much more effective solvent and prevents crystallization after injecting.

BB isn't necessary for test enanthate in normal concentrations bc it's highly soluble. No need for solvents really.

 

[Docd187123]

In that case would the oven be capable of causing any damage? I know that tren is easily damaged by heat, but are other hormones a bit more tolerant? I will be brewing again soon and want to follow the most up to date and effective protocols available.

The oven could cause damage yes. If you vent the vial while heating in the oven you risk exposing your sterilized solution to contaminated air. Also excess heat could degrade the hormone but 200deg I wouldn't worry about. I

 

[swolegorilla]

The oven could cause damage yes. If you vent the vial while heating in the oven you risk exposing your sterilized solution to contaminated air. Also excess heat could degrade the hormone but 200deg I wouldn't worry about. I

Never vented it. It is weird that some of these ugl's brag about having an autoclave if it is not even necessary to heat up the finished product. I did not vent it BTW. All this shit is confusing, but I will take your word for it until some other guy shows up and says everything you told me is wrong. I hate this shit because I am searching for knowledge but everyone says something different, not that I'm doubting you in any way but surely you get what I am saying.

 

[Docd187123]

Never vented it. It is weird that some of these ugl's brag about having an autoclave if it is not even necessary to heat up the finished product. I did not vent it BTW. All this shit is confusing, but I will take your word for it until some other guy shows up and says everything you told me is wrong. I hate this shit because I am searching for knowledge but everyone says something different, not that I'm doubting you in any way but surely you get what I am saying.

I get it. The trick is being able to differentiate between the ppl who really know and the ones who don't.

CBS and I had a back and forth about autoclaving recently and it made me pause and rethink my stance. For the time being I'm still going to autoclave bc it's what I've done and had anything negative happen but it did open my eyes to the fact that I could be way off base with it.

 

[swolegorilla]

I get it. The trick is being able to differentiate between the ppl who really know and the ones who don't.

CBS and I had a back and forth about autoclaving recently and it made me pause and rethink my stance. For the time being I'm still going to autoclave bc it's what I've done and had anything negative happen but it did open my eyes to the fact that I could be way off base with it.

Thanks again bud. You seem like you know lots about this.

 

[Docd187123]

Thanks again bud. You seem like you know lots about this.

When you stop learning you stop growing. Best advice I can give you is read, learn, and ask questions. Never accept something on face value alone especially if it doesn't make sense. Ask ppl to prove what that say and it'll help differentiate the ppl in the know from the ppl who know not.

 

[Big_paul]

BB isn't necessary for test enanthate in normal concentrations bc it's highly soluble. No need for solvents really.

The reason I use only 1-2 % ba is because it burns and is one source of pip.

If bb is 10x more effective than ba, as a solvent and doesnt damage muscle tissue, why use that much ba.

In 20 yrs of home brewing, my gear is far and away the best gear I ever used.

Sorry Doc, I have to disagree with you on this one

 

[Big_paul]

Almost forgot. I use 3-5% bb and 1-2 % ba. That is what I would use.

 

[Big_paul]

Never vented it. It is weird that some of these ugl's brag about having an autoclave if it is not even necessary to heat up the finished product. I did not vent it BTW. All this shit is confusing, but I will take your word for it until some other guy shows up and says everything you told me is wrong. I hate this shit because I am searching for knowledge but everyone says something different, not that I'm doubting you in any way but surely you get what I am saying.

Defiantly. It's really pretty simple. Use as much solvent to completely dissolve the ester hormone you are using. Then add oil and filter the gear, I know what you are saying though. No one wants to throw away money.

 

[Docd187123]

The reason I use only 1-2 % ba is because it burns and is one source of pip.

If bb is 10x more effective than ba, as a solvent and doesnt damage muscle tissue, why use that much ba.

In 20 yrs of home brewing, my gear is far and away the best gear I ever used.

Sorry Doc, I have to disagree with you on this one

I don't think we are in disagreement BP. I am saying you don't need to use BB for normal concentrations of test e but I'm NOT saying to add more BA. I use 1% BA for all my solutions. The amount of BB will vary depending on what I'm making. I made test e 250mg/ml with 1% BA and no BB, with 1% BA and 10% BB, and test e 400mg/ml with 1% BA and 15%BB I believe. I'm not saying you need more BA bc you're not using BB or using very little of it.

 

[Big_paul]

Either way is going to work. I only use ba as preservative and that depends on how long I will have it. I brewed 200ml of test cyp and had to use 20% bb to disilve it. To be honest, my worries are the things we don't know about.

We are splitting hairs for sure bro. Just saying this is hiw I do it.

 

[Docd187123]

Either way is going to work. I only use ba as preservative and that depends on how long I will have it. I brewed 200ml of test cyp and had to use 20% bb to disilve it. To be honest, my worries are the things we don't know about.

We are splitting hairs for sure bro. Just saying this is hiw I do it.

Test cyp is nowhere near as soluble as test e so that does require a good amount of BB. I too use BA as a preservative but there's no need to go above 1% for it to be bactericidal. But what I got from your other post was that I was suggesting to skip the BB and add more BA, at least that's how I understood it. I wanted to clear up any confusion bc I'm not saying to use anymore than 1% BA.