I nearly don't produce any GH any longer

[Geebee52]

I just had my GH tested (blood works) : < .5 mIU/L (standard for adults : < 20 mIU/L). What can I do ? What did I do wrong to get to that point ?
I'm 57, been juicing for 2 years. I recently became fat and I'm sleepy all the time. I tried GH for my 2 first cycles but it didn't work for me (I put on some fat) and I stopped (but at that time I still produced some GH). I'm a diabetic, insulin-dependant and often insulinresitant
Presently I'm taking L-arginine.

 

[DLMCBBB]

I just had my GH tested (blood works) : < .5 mIU/L (standard for adults : < 20 mIU/L). What can I do ? What did I do wrong to get to that point ?
I'm 57, been juicing for 2 years. I recently became fat and I'm sleepy all the time. I tried GH for my 2 first cycles but it didn't work for me (I put on some fat) and I stopped (but at that time I still produced some GH). I'm a diabetic, insulin-dependant and often insulinresitant
Presently I'm taking L-arginine.

Are you into true HRT, or steroid cycles?

 

[SWALE]

There's no point in testing GH levels, except when drawing serial labs for certain testing protocols. The assay of choice is the IGF-1. Get one of those before you get too worried.

 

[Geebee52]

I'm into steroid cycles. At the moment : prop + tren + stanozol
But believe me : I'm getting fat (31 % bf) with a big belly, I feel sleepy, tired, I would just sleep or sit.

 

[geaser]

At 57 I don't think I would be doing tren. Tren is hard on young guys. Maybe test and deca with hgh or just lower doses of test and HGH.

 

[Jeff]

How's your thyroid?

 

[Aku]

I'm surprise the doctor didn't recomend hrt with Hgh. Isn't your levels awefully low?

 

[zaarel2]

re "gh put on fat"

Its interesting to me that you mention putting on fat when you tried the GH. I am in week 5 of Nutropin AQ at 1.5iu a day. I started it because I was very interested in the purported leaning out effects it has. So far I have added fat rather than leaned out. I am up about 5 lbs and its defnatley fat. I feel it most in my stomach and under my chin. Has anyojne else had this experience?

 

[kayzee]

sleepy and fat...hmmm

sure do sound like some aromatase/conversion to estrogen.

 

[Geebee52]

sure do sound like some aromatase/conversion to estrogen.

Kayzee, can you tell us why we get aromatase:conversion to estrogen while all other people don't. How can we prevent it ?

 

[kayzee]

I'm just thinking outloud

Kayzee, can you tell us why we get aromatase:conversion to estrogen while all other people don't. How can we prevent it ?

I aint no book learned Doc but here is a thought. The 5 alpha reductase is an aromatase activity that converts some testosterone to Estrogen as well as DHT. This 5ar is found all over the place in your body mainly liver and skin. another aromatase activity is the P450 reductase in the liver. it's aromatase activity is mainly Estrogen systhesis. I think this one might be the genetic culprit. the 5alpha reductase conversion to DHT may counter act some estrogen conversion. But the p450 reductase is doing your estrogen conversion big time with no DHT conversion. this might explain why topical testosterone gels seem to work better for people with normal TT, but low bio available testosterone. the 5ar in the skin is doing the conversion instead of the p450 rductase in the liver.

this is just conjecture. it's hard to find detail info. I hope Dr. Swale reads this and totally busts my chops! it at least it'll prove he's taking time to Tan My Hyde.

 

[SWALE]

I have never heqard that 5-AR produces estrogen as well as DHT. The proposed mechanism makes no sense to me. Have you seen anything on this?

 

[Geebee52]

Tanks for your replies Kayzee and Swale. Could you further investigate ?

 

[lolokoss]

Bro, you put on fat on GH b/c it has a diabetogenic effect, it increases blood glucose. If you are diabetic, you should not be using it.
Also, your GH is low, although IGF is what you should be tested for not GH, because of your high blood glucose. So it's not necessarily a GH problem as it is a blood glucose problem.

I would work on really controlling my diabetes if I were you. If you become really good at it, you won't even need juice, you can grow on insulin alone.

Lastly, Test and var are the only things I would recommend at your age. Maybe some EQ and primo too.
Deca? No way! Unless you have retired from having sex or something....

 

[manfreakca]

some t3 maybe,1.5 is kina low dose gh.Insulin will also put on fat.take about 500- 700mg of Hidroxy citric acid,while shooting slin heard gets fat down when doing slin

 

[SWALE]

Let's keep the dialogue to healthful topics here please, gentlemen.

 

[Geebee52]

Thanks for your answers : it will be very helpful to me.
I don't understand why Swale considers your answers weren't healthful topics.

 

[SWALE]

If he is diabetic, he should be tending ONLY to his diabetes, and not using insulin for BB'ing purposes.

 

[atomicone]

If your ifg-1 levels are that low then you should be on HRT. For me I have found that rhGH doesn't do much for fat loss or muscle growth unless you use 5iu ED, but for general HRT 2iu or less should be fine. Have you had your thyroid tested? Also, your weight gain very likely has somthing to do with your being diabetic and the amount of insulin you've been taking.

FYI- I would not be using Tren at anywhere near your age, let alone being diabetic.

 

[atomicone]

I second that!

I have never heqard that 5-AR produces estrogen as well as DHT. The proposed mechanism makes no sense to me. Have you seen anything on this?