Ideal concentrations?

[cdt5074]

Besides solubility and making injections more tolerable, are there any other considerations to be had when brewing at higher concentrations?

250 is the industry standard for test e. Okay. Besides injection site pain, is 250 better than 500? As in, if I wanted to deliver 500 mg of test e into my body in one injection, is delivering that in 2ml's better than in 1ml?

 

[fldoms980]

Besides injection site pain, is 250 better than 500?

For most people, yes. I'm sensitive to BB and the amount needed to dissolve 500 mg/ml test would have me in bed with test flu for days. On the other hand, some people do just fine with just some extra pip.

 

[cdt5074]

For most people, yes. I'm sensitive to BB and the amount needed to dissolve 500 mg/ml test would have me in bed with test flu for days. On the other hand, some people do just fine with just some extra pip.

right but besides the PIP, is it somehow BETTER from the standpoint of idk absorbing the hormone into the blood stream? are you wasting hormone in higher concentrations? I'm wondering if anyone has any input on this

 

[colossus25]

right but besides the PIP, is it somehow BETTER from the standpoint of idk absorbing the hormone into the blood stream? are you wasting hormone in higher concentrations? I'm wondering if anyone has any input on this

No 500mg is 500mg whether its 2ml of oil or 1ml. The difference is the amount of pip. In my experience the more solvent being used the more pip there will be.

 

[cdt5074]

No 500mg is 500mg whether its 2ml of oil or 1ml. The difference is the amount of pip. In my experience the more solvent being used the more pip there will be.

okay, I vaguely remember reading something about gear concentrations but I can't recall what it was or if I'm even remembering correctly. I do a lot of drugs so my brain is pretty fucked. anyway. I have a blend of 85/85/85 tren test and mast I inject and it's brutal. it's efficient but it's brutal. I think it's probably about finding the balance between the concentration and PIP that's tolerable. but long esters are so much more soluble per mg I think I'm done fucking around with the acetate and prop esters. you can do test e mast e and tren e at that same concentration with no goddamn PIP to speak of.

 

[colossus25]

okay, I vaguely remember reading something about gear concentrations but I can't recall what it was or if I'm even remembering correctly. I do a lot of drugs so my brain is pretty fucked. anyway. I have a blend of 85/85/85 tren test and mast I inject and it's brutal. it's efficient but it's brutal. I think it's probably about finding the balance between the concentration and PIP that's tolerable. but long esters are so much more soluble per mg I think I'm done fucking around with the acetate and prop esters. you can do test e mast e and tren e at that same concentration with no goddamn PIP to speak of.

I'd rather do short esters, since i brew my own stuff i know how to make it with little to no pip. Im running prop 100 and tren ace 100 no problem right now.

 

[cdt5074]

I'd rather do short esters, since i brew my own stuff i know how to make it with little to no pip. Im running prop 100 and tren ace 100 no problem right now.

well if you can make a rip blend that has 255mg/ml and no PIP please let me know lol

 

[XKawN]

A rip blend? Is that something that kills you or is it something that makes you wish you were dead?

 

[colossus25]

A rip blend? Is that something that kills you or is it something that makes you wish you were dead?

I've been hearing people call it that lately lmaoo. Couple days ago i was like wtf is that when someone else posted about it.

 

[Erin]

No 500mg is 500mg whether its 2ml of oil or 1ml. The difference is the amount of pip. In my experience the more solvent being used the more pip there will be.

Well, yes and no. There are significant differences in pharmacokinetics, per attached (widely cited for testosterone preparations).
On the other hand, at least in pharmaceutical preparations, the ratio of BB scales with concentration, while BA remains fixed with volume. So total BB content will remain constant between different concentrations, while total BA will decrease with increasing concentration. However, I suspect that UGLs increase BA for overdosed preparations.
Finally, overdosed preparations may require EO, which many find objectionable.

Stick with standard concentrations, which are a good compromise between solvent concentration and injection volume; or work out the optimal concentration for your specific dosing regimen.

 

[high-octane]

okay, I vaguely remember reading something about gear concentrations but I can't recall what it was or if I'm even remembering correctly. I do a lot of drugs so my brain is pretty fucked. anyway. I have a blend of 85/85/85 tren test and mast I inject and it's brutal. it's efficient but it's brutal. I think it's probably about finding the balance between the concentration and PIP that's tolerable. but long esters are so much more soluble per mg I think I'm done fucking around with the acetate and prop esters. you can do test e mast e and tren e at that same concentration with no goddamn PIP to speak of.

That's a pretty low concentration. 100mg each of short esters should be smooth and 200mg each of long esters should be smooth. Somebody doesn't know what they are doing.

 

[Ironlord]

That's a pretty low concentration. 100mg each of short esters should be smooth and 200mg each of long esters should be smooth. Somebody doesn't know what they are doing.

Uh oh.... Don't get @cdt5074 going...he was a non stop know it all in the underground, but here he's actually asking questions, and without any homo. Don't poke the bear

 

[master.on]

Besides solubility and making injections more tolerable, are there any other considerations to be had when brewing at higher concentrations?

250 is the industry standard for test e. Okay. Besides injection site pain, is 250 better than 500? As in, if I wanted to deliver 500 mg of test e into my body in one injection, is delivering that in 2ml's better than in 1ml?

Generally speaking big-pharma concentrations are best.
Time-tested for decades (although I've seen some big-pharma gear crash in cold weather), and you can find their recipes online, most use little or no BB.

While 500 mg/mL gear may deliver twice as much juice as a 250 one, your body will take more than twice to recover from its PIP.

You easily can inject 10 mL a week:
3 mL in each glute, 2 mL in each delt
So, unless you're a pro using massive, multigram amounts, 10 mL a week provides enough juice to become seriously jacked.

You can also brew with MCT instead of oil to:
1 Less PIP
2 Make it flow thru a thinner needle, again less PIP
3 MCTs are healthier than oils

So no
IMO there's no need for 500 mg/ml gear.

 

[colossus25]

Well, yes and no. There are significant differences in pharmacokinetics, per attached (widely cited for testosterone preparations).
On the other hand, at least in pharmaceutical preparations, the ratio of BB scales with concentration, while BA remains fixed with volume. So total BB content will remain constant between different concentrations, while total BA will decrease with increasing concentration. However, I suspect that UGLs increase BA for overdosed preparations.
Finally, overdosed preparations may require EO, which many find objectionable.

Stick with standard concentrations, which are a good compromise between solvent concentration and injection volume; or work out the optimal concentration for your specific dosing regimen.

I think you're confusing ops question, what he is asking is if there is any difference in absorption between test e 500mg/ml or test e 250mg/ml. Which i responded with no, 500mg of test is 500mg of test regardless of how you brew it. I added that higher concentrations require more BB which usually correlates to there being more pip.

 

[cdt5074]

That's a pretty low concentration. 100mg each of short esters should be smooth and 200mg each of long esters should be smooth. Somebody doesn't know what they are doing.

i think somebody doesn't know how to math or how to read or both. An 85/85/85 blend has 255 mg/ml! if you want me to explain it's pretty confusing math but let me use an example that i thknk we can all understand. if i suck 85 black dicks...and then i suck 85 asian dicks...and then i suck 85 hispanic dicks...then the total number of dicks i sucked was 255 dicks!

 

[master.on]

That's a pretty low concentration. 100mg each of short esters should be smooth and 200mg each of long esters should be smooth. Somebody doesn't know what they are doing.

IMO short esters are overrated for the beginner/intermediate bodybuilder.
unless you're a pro, you can get the same results with much less frequent injections = with long esters.

PROVIDED YOU COMPENSATE FOR THE LOWER OVERALL MOTHER-STEROID COMPENSATION IN LONG ESTERS.

 

[high-octane]

i think somebody doesn't know how to math or how to read or both. An 85/85/85 blend has 255 mg/ml! if you want me to explain it's pretty confusing math but let me use an example that i thknk we can all understand. if i suck 85 black dicks...and then i suck 85 asian dicks...and then i suck 85 hispanic dicks...then the total number of dicks i sucked was 255 dicks!

You must be fucking stupid. It's only a 255mL blend. That's not a lot. Usually it's 100mg of test/tren/mast for a total amount of 300mg. That blend has no pip if somebody knows what they are doing when making it. To break that down on your level that would be 300 black, asian and hispanic dicks you would have to suck. 100 of each x 3 = 300.

 

[cdt5074]

You must be fucking stupid. It's only a 255mL blend. That's not a lot. Usually it's 100mg of test/tren/mast for a total amount of 300mg. That blend has no pip if somebody knows what they are doing when making it. To break that down on your level that would be 300 black, asian and hispanic dicks you would have to suck. 100 of each x 3 = 300.

huh sounds like someone's grumpy that they were wrong. aw. it's cute. so now you're pulling shit out of your ass. it's not usually 300mg per ml, in fact, i've never seen that concentration ever! and it's not pipless, and no one has said that ever. you should seriously stop before you say more dumb shit. please, i'm begging you to stop.

 

[high-octane]

huh sounds like someone's grumpy that they were wrong. aw. it's cute. so now you're pulling shit out of your ass. it's not usually 300mg per ml, in fact, i've never seen that concentration ever! and it's not pipless, and no one has said that ever. you should seriously stop before you say more dumb shit. please, i'm begging you to stop.

Lol, where to start? How would you know it has pip if you never seen that concentration before? And who says it has pip? Obviously if you heard someone say that then you heard about the 300mg blend that you said never existed. So far you're making yourself look stupid kid. You just showed all of us you have zero knowledge about AAS and don't know shit. But,

 

[Dr JIM]

Besides solubility and making injections more tolerable, are there any other considerations to be had when brewing at higher concentrations?

250 is the industry standard for test e. Okay. Besides injection site pain, is 250 better than 500? As in, if I wanted to deliver 500 mg of test e into my body in one injection, is delivering that in 2ml's better than in 1ml?

Unless you prefer the "opinions" of others, evidence based Pharmacokinetic studied of this nature can generally be located on the net with a little effort since they are FDA prerequisite for all approved drugs.

Of note ensure each study specifically lists the injection site used since considerable differences may exist bt select muscle groups, namely; the Glutes, Ant thigh and esp the Delts.

(Yet by no means does this imply all such info is available to the general public, since some meds exhibit "specialized" as in proprietary kinetics)

Nonetheless providing the ester comparisons are identical extrapolations to other "unapproved", as in clandestine AAS would seem reasonable IMO.

Of course the latter assumes one has purchased the real McCoy in the absence of excipients that alter depot absorption, etc.

Jim