If all pros use higher test why you claim low test is better ?

[lifter6973]

"Here is what has been found by the cousin of the friend of the reddit user that met at bus stop Chad Nicholls neighbor who let the secret Ronnie cycle leaking… its impressive"


Omg that right there had me in fucking tears lol

Sadly, that is exactly the type of statement that idiots at places like ASF eat up. Some of those guys will believe ANYTHING someone says is fact depending on who it is no matter how blatantly idiotic it looks or sounds.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

@Exister0
If you have worked with these people you have not demonstrated the expertise. The info you put out and the questions you ask are contradictory to even the most fundamental information that is available in med journals, anechdotal info, professional athletes. Every cycle I have ever seen from a pro they are running high test. Now if your a gym bro or just wanna look good naked you dont have to do this. You can have good physique at lower dosages but even some of smaller pros and influencers are running high doses

 

[MindlessWork]

@Exister0
If you have worked with these people you have not demonstrated the expertise. The info you put out and the questions you ask are contradictory to even the most fundamental information that is available in med journals, anechdotal info, professional athletes. Every cycle I have ever seen from a pro they are running high test. Now if your a gym bro or just wanna look good naked you dont have to do this. You can have good physique at lower dosages but even some of smaller pros and influencers are running high doses

He's just string bean of a troll who just needs to go back under his bridge.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

The answer is right there. Newbies and beginners. Ramy is the current Mr.O

That's a pretty big gap and progression is non-linear.

yes but im talking newbies that using 250mg test with 700mg tren or 1gr deca . why use low test and crazy high anabolics

 

[GuerillaPete]

This 250 mg test is gaining popularity mostly from youtube influencers.
Thers a big dud JP has him prepping on 250 test with other anabolics in the mix.
Maybe people try to emulate the 80s look but im not sure.
You have a video in witch you look pealed and shredded and said you used no test seamed to work good.
Have you tried both methods?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

yes but im talking newbies that using 250mg test with 700mg tren or 1gr deca . why use low test and crazy high anabolics

So now the only choices are 1.25g test and 200mg anabolics or 200mg test and 1g anabolics? 700-1g deca or tren isn’t newb shit. It’s peak dumb.

gear dosage, compound selection, stack composition should ALL BE DICTATED by experience, progress, and your own personal response coupled with common knowledge about these substances.

a fucking newbie shouldn’t even be using over a gram of gear. My BEST OFFSEASON after newb gains came 10 years in with only 1.25g TOTAL of gear. 200>220lbs.

Drugs ARE NOT the only way to progress and DO NOT need to be increased every cycle for gains. But if you jump to using 2g as a 160lb string bean what’re you gonna use at 215?

this conversation is ridiculous.

 

[Exister0]

So now the only choices are 1.25g test and 200mg anabolics or 200mg test and 1g anabolics? 700-1g deca or tren isn’t newb shit. It’s peak dumb.

gear dosage, compound selection, stack composition should ALL BE DICTATED by experience, progress, and your own personal response coupled with common knowledge about these substances.

a fucking newbie shouldn’t even be using over a gram of gear. My BEST OFFSEASON after newb gains came 10 years in with only 1.25g TOTAL of gear. 200>220lbs.

Drugs ARE NOT the only way to progress and DO NOT need to be increased every cycle for gains. But if you jump to using 2g as a 160lb string bean what’re you gonna use at 215?

this conversation is ridiculous.

Idk what is going on I think VigorousSteve is hiring people to go out to forums like these to promote 250 test cycles. 250 is just barely enhanced.

 

[broschmo]

Idk what is going on I think VigorousSteve is hiring people to go out to forums like these to promote 250 test cycles. 250 is just barely enhanced.

Don't know where you get that from but he is one the guys who believes in pushing test as high as you comfortably can before adding something on top.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

Low test > Low E2 makes fat gain nearly impossible

But also much less gains

 

[Exister0]

Don't know where you get that from but he is one the guys who believes in pushing test as high as you comfortably can before adding something on

That’s not healthy considering your estradiol will be high end of normal

 

[MONSTRO1977]

Believe whatever you’d like. Your post history tells the story.

guys get fat because they eat like retards. Period.

Check Nick Walker doing 16ius hgh 5gr gear or more and eat normal foods like 300gr rice + 200gr chicken . We see amateurs eating much more using less and being half size Nick and bloated look . Genetics count and quality gear and train like a beast , the food should be only enough not eating like amniac, you are what you absorb

 

[MONSTRO1977]

So you are saying that when test is high you get fat?
When I ran test at my highest, I lost fat, and did it pretty easily.
I think you are missing the biggest point: diet
Diet makes you fat, not testosterone

Insulin and test dont make you fat , food does when you eat to much

 

[broschmo]

That’s not healthy considering your estradiol will be high end of normal

As high "as you comfortably can", it's written there on the post.
High end of normal is not bad if you don't feel bad, btw, lol.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Check Nick Walker doing 16ius hgh 5gr gear or more and eat normal foods like 300gr rice + 200gr chicken . We see amateurs eating much more using less and being half size Nick and bloated look . Genetics count and quality gear and train like a beast , the food should be only enough not eating like amniac, you are what you absorb

Matt has him on pharma everything .
Thats the pharma magic right there but as you said genetics are on par .
Good response to gear and tolerating high dosages is where its at.

 

[Test_Subject]

This thread turned retarded really quickly.

I love watching people who have barely touched steroids explain how they work and what works best based on their vast Youtube research.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

only 5 iu insulin each meal? thats very low isnt it? I mean this guys must have atleast 150g carbs a meal

They normally never tell the truth on slin because you can die using it

 

[Exister0]

Take a guy who’s eating at maintenance

500g tren no test
He leans out considerably while getting stronger.

1g test only
Gains fat easily along with extra water retention.
He’s stronger and bigger but definitely not leaner.

 

[Cashton]

Newbies claim for low dosages test when top pros use high test!

If you search on google pro bodybuilders cycles like this from Big Ramy , you always see they use much higher test than anabolics . Of course we all know to that most of this cycles are not the real cycle of them but at same time one of them can be real and also when a lot of people said the same think there is some truth in that for sure. We all know this top athletes and coaches cant tell the truth about is cycles used because not also give bad reputation to sport but also is supplement brand sponsors don’t allow them to talk about this openly . But at same time you need only one person, friend of them that have access and contact with them take a picture of protocol and with the help of social medias he can easy put something super secret on google ( all forums and youtube videos ) in matter of hours . Today a cell phone can do a lot of thinks for good and for bad , even destroy a life of someone you hate . We live in a dangerous world .

Steroid Cycle

One of the trainers at "Oxygen Gym" leaked the off-season cycle * that took Ramy from 200 pounds to 280 pounds in a single year.

• HGH - 18IU's per day
• Insulin - 5IU's before each meal
• Testosterone Enanthate - 5000mgs per week
• Trenbolone Enanthate - 3000mgs a week
• Equipoise – 3000 mgs per week
• Deca Durabolin – 2000 mgs per week
• Dianabol 100mgs per day
• Anadrol 300mgs per day
• Myostatin (GDF-8) blocking peptides

But the main goal of this article is to understand why most of newbie and beginners claim that low test is the best way to get results , if the best on this sport ( real top pro athletes ) use always higher testosterone . So my conclusion is that all the pros are coached with people that knows a lot more than us , so why try fancy thinks when this sport as no secrets . The best way to grow muscle is :

High levels of test + high levels of hgh and mostly super high levels IGF , and to achieve that you need to use high testosterone + high trenbolone + anadrol + insulin ( lantus + humalog) and IGF . This is all you need to grow .

This beginners that claim low test gives better results probably never try higher test , or is main goal is be small and shredded and look good to the beach . Because if your goal is grow more , higher test is always best option . They probably like low test because they have less side effects , but if your goal is less sides stay natural!



Monstro

Longevity, longevity, longevity. Yes for sure, we all know that the big monsters on stage run big monster doses, but with few exceptions, most of us aren’t them, and the ones that are big and stay stage ready, guys like @MuscleFreak & @Mac11wildcat if I recall correctly, run fairly conservative doses when they’re just cruising.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Longevity, longevity, longevity. Yes for sure, we all know that the big monsters on stage run big monster doses, but with few exceptions, most of us aren’t them, and the ones that are big and stay stage ready, guys like @MuscleFreak & @Mac11wildcat if I recall correctly, run fairly conservative doses when they’re just cruising.

My cruises are true cruises. Upper physiological range. You’ve all seen my blast doses at various phases

there’s 3 nodes along the spectrum of competitive bodybuilders IMO:
- guys with no hope of pro status trying to make themselves bodybuilders they’re not capable of being with tons of drugs
- amateurs/pros on the genetic cusp using excess doses to make them bodybuilders they shouldn’t be at the possible cost of longevity based on their tolerance
- guys with genetically elite characteristics that use a variety of doses but would probably be elite regardless, and tolerate and grow on whatever they use

the simple fact is, some guys are designed to be pros, some have to use a hammer to get the IFBB nail dug, some are pushing square pegs into round holes.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

My cruises are true cruises. Upper physiological range. You’ve all seen my blast doses at various phases

there’s 3 nodes along the spectrum of competitive bodybuilders IMO:
- guys with no hope of pro status trying to make themselves bodybuilders they’re not capable of being with tons of drugs
- amateurs/pros on the genetic cusp using excess doses to make them bodybuilders they shouldn’t be at the possible cost of longevity based on their tolerance
- guys with genetically elite characteristics that use a variety of doses but would probably be elite regardless, and tolerate and grow on whatever they use

the simple fact is, some guys are designed to be pros, some have to use a hammer to get the IFBB nail dug, some are pushing square pegs into round holes.

If I was in bb I would be the first guy haha! The only thing I got goin for me is I have always been stronger without a lot of size. Def dont have big boi gentetics but def have some half assed strong guy genetics