If all pros use higher test why you claim low test is better ?

[Mac11wildcat]

If I was in bb I would be the first guy haha! The only thing I got goin for me is I have always been stronger without a lot of size.

And theres no shame in that at all. Not recognizing it and weighing it appropriately is the issue.

I have zero issue with the “whatever it takes mindset” because that isn’t my life or my journey. But when someone asks if their cycle looks good and it’s thrown the entire kitchen out with the sink I’m gonna raise some objections for them to consider.

 

[Test_Subject]

Take a guy who’s eating at maintenance

500g tren no test
He leans out considerably while getting stronger.

1g test only
Gains fat easily along with extra water retention.
He’s stronger and bigger but definitely not leaner.

Where do you get this nonsense from? Honest question.

 

[Forthewin1123]

You can actually grow just as much on trt test with high anabolics such as 600+ primo. Low test with a high dose of primo would allow pure protein synthesis without fat or water gain. Nutrient partitioning and insulin sensitivity is better with these kind of cycles

I only see this working to a point.. and and dollar per pound.. Test is best. Alot of cycles will give you worse side effects with low test..
I can see how for a few cycles this would work but eventually you will grow out of that and need a higher Test base..
Low Test and medium to.high nandrolone.. gonna be bad sides for most guys
Low Test and medium- high eq.. nkt.going.to work well for most guys....
And sure low.test and 750 plus.primo is great.. primo is primo and I get tired.of.seeimg.this.. on paper yea it's great.. but most guys do not have $1000 to spend on just primo for a cycle.. so for alot.of us.. it's irrelevant.
I habe zero credentials.. im.going off my experience running running shit and all the research and cycle logs I've read.for years.. this low test high anabolics is a newer way of.thinking and I don't believe in it yet at all..
If test blood levels are a limiting factor in muscle growth.. then how is 250mg better.then 500mg? I'm not understanding.. maybe.ypu can explain it.and.ill understand better..
From my experience tje only compound I can run with test lower is primo.. nandrolone tren boldenone and masteron I get worse side effects if my.test base isn't higher mg the my tren or my npp and def my eq..
Is there any logs. You can point me to wjere someone ran 250 test and 500npp.. or 350 tren or 500 eq...
We all know primo will do whatever.. but for the money you can get better growth with.otjer drugs and better diet

 

[Maitiu]

Yeah still fucking stupid.
Guess I can sit on my ass and eat chips and pizza all day and not ever gain an ounce of fat.
Yeah no thanks.

I'd very much like this sort of diet. Tell me more! lol

Says the one who’s cursing and acting belligerent. You’re technically offending me which is verbal abuse. Not something to be taken lightly. I grew up in Beverly Hills CA so your behavior would land you in serious trouble.

If you're serious, you're at the wrong place dude. Take a look around. Everyone here is going to skull fuck you into submission sooner rather than later.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Where do you get this nonsense from? Honest question.

It’s almost as if thermodynamics is pseudoscience when you throw in some deca.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

My cruises are true cruises. Upper physiological range. You’ve all seen my blast doses at various phases

there’s 3 nodes along the spectrum of competitive bodybuilders IMO:
- guys with no hope of pro status trying to make themselves bodybuilders they’re not capable of being with tons of drugs
- amateurs/pros on the genetic cusp using excess doses to make them bodybuilders they shouldn’t be at the possible cost of longevity based on their tolerance
- guys with genetically elite characteristics that use a variety of doses but would probably be elite regardless, and tolerate and grow on whatever they use

the simple fact is, some guys are designed to be pros, some have to use a hammer to get the IFBB nail dug, some are pushing square pegs into round holes.

This is the real truth of this sport . You can have a dream to be NBA athlete but you born 5.2ft ( you will never be NBA athlete )

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Says the one who’s cursing and acting belligerent. You’re technically offending me which is verbal abuse. Not something to be taken lightly. I grew up in Beverly Hills CA so your behavior would land you in serious trouble.

Telling people they can’t formulate arguments while you provide zero data or backup for your posts while simultaneously making passive aggressive comments about how youd fight people IRL. This forum isn’t cute and neat. Get over it.

if you are making a claim it is on YOU TO JUSTIFY. Not on others to debunk. Studies, experiments, thesis papers do not make claims and rely on reviewers debunking a claim void of prof. They make a claim backed by evidence they’ve collected and reviewers attempt to debunk evidence and methods, not provide items contrary. The reality is both concepts here could exist. The presence of one doesn’t debunk another. However, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

 

[MindlessWork]

Where do you get this nonsense from? Honest question.

Out of his ass most likely. He is a troll spouting off dangerous and disingenuous advice not to mention claiming to work with IFBB pros...
Hopefully he/it will get banned again soon.

 

[MindlessWork]

I'd very much like this sort of diet. Tell me more! lol

If you're serious, you're at the wrong place dude. Take a look around. Everyone here is going to skull fuck you into submission sooner rather than later.

@Mac11wildcat would just love to piledrive his fat airhead into the concrete lmao. Best thing would be to ignore this troll and maybe report any of its posts that are deemed dangerous advice.

 

[ItsDaBoii]

@Mac11wildcat would just love to piledrive his fat airhead into the concrete lmao. Best thing would be to ignore this troll and maybe report any of its posts that are deemed dangerous advice.

Nooo dont ruin his angelic face!

 

[MindlessWork]

Nooo dont ruin his angelic face!

Lol Mac hates him for his fantastic knowledge!

 

[Exister0]

Like I said before. It’s hard to stay lean the more test you use. The less test the better you look.

 

[Exister0]

I only see this working to a point.. and and dollar per pound.. Test is best. Alot of cycles will give you worse side effects with low test..
I can see how for a few cycles this would work but eventually you will grow out of that and need a higher Test base..
Low Test and medium to.high nandrolone.. gonna be bad sides for most guys
Low Test and medium- high eq.. nkt.going.to work well for most guys....
And sure low.test and 750 plus.primo is great.. primo is primo and I get tired.of.seeimg.this.. on paper yea it's great.. but most guys do not have $1000 to spend on just primo for a cycle.. so for alot.of us.. it's irrelevant.
I habe zero credentials.. im.going off my experience running running shit and all the research and cycle logs I've read.for years.. this low test high anabolics is a newer way of.thinking and I don't believe in it yet at all..
If test blood levels are a limiting factor in muscle growth.. then how is 250mg better.then 500mg? I'm not understanding.. maybe.ypu can explain it.and.ill understand better..
From my experience tje only compound I can run with test lower is primo.. nandrolone tren boldenone and masteron I get worse side effects if my.test base isn't higher mg the my tren or my npp and def my eq..
Is there any logs. You can point me to wjere someone ran 250 test and 500npp.. or 350 tren or 500 eq...
We all know primo will do whatever.. but for the money you can get better growth with.otjer drugs and better diet

Mg per mg tren and deca will outperform test in terms of pure muscle gain. Test gives the illusion of more gains simply from higher water retention and glycogen. Once you introduce anabolics into your body test levels are irrelevant. A guy could have 50ng/dL test levels and still make gains with another AAS compound. People say that higher test levels aid in fat loss and conditioning but I just don’t buy it.

 

[PeterBond]

Like I said before. It’s hard to stay lean the more test you use. The less test the better you look.

Except that there's an inverse correlation between testosterone levels and change in fat mass in men administered exogenous testosterone enanthate:

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172

 

[Jet Labs]

@MONSTRO1977 @Exister0

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Like I said before. It’s hard to stay lean the more test you use. The less test the better you look.

You need to just shut the fuck up. Just about everything you say is a "generality" that isn't backed by anything. You're a joke at this point.

I don't know how your parents fucked you up so badly but you need to get your attention elsewhere.

Wow, comparing a gram of tren to a gram of test. That's really going out on a limb. GTFOH.

 

[MindlessWork]

Except that there's an inverse correlation between testosterone levels and change in fat mass in men administered exogenous testosterone enanthate:

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172

Here's some good reading material for you @Exister0 so maybe you'll learn something!

 

[Test_Subject]

Except that there's an inverse correlation between testosterone levels and change in fat mass in men administered exogenous testosterone enanthate:

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172

I appreciate your commitment to correcting him, but this guy falls far short of what I’d call “teachable”.

 

[PeterBond]

I appreciate your commitment to correcting him, but this guy falls far short of what I’d call teachable.

That's probably true. However, I hope others who might be reading along can learn from the discussion that arises from it.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Except that there's an inverse correlation between testosterone levels and change in fat mass in men administered exogenous testosterone enanthate:

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.2001.281.6.E1172

The guy isn't going to read that.

Incidentally, anyone that wants to really learn this should read @PeterBond book "Book on Steroids" it's one of the better ones I've read. He cites references if you want to geek out on the science and studies, but he also writes in a very readable style. Highly recommend. It's far superior to any of the VigorousSteve and More Plates More Dates clickbait podcasts out there but you actually have to spend the time reading.