Have to think the other way as well. Too much juice could jeopardize his health and make him lose the olympia.
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Have to think the other way as well. Too much juice could jeopardize his health and make him lose the olympia.
I know this...
So why do you say "you've been lied to"? What do you think hes lying about?
trackstar19
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That, and genetics.
That being said ... I have many friends that are pro or rank in the top handful at national shows each year ... and their cycles are much different than that. Hell I've ranked quite high on the national stage and my cycles definitely are a lot fuckin more than that. I am not saying he's lying - it would be ignorant to not assume some just respond a hell of a lot better to stuff .... but 99% of us aren't going pro with that (maybe in physique lol)
where's the GH & SLIN? Or SEO. He either left some things out, really doesn't require much, or is fibbing a bit. Most guys do - they think if the state a smaller cycle it will downplay that side of it and people won't think "it's all drugs" (it sure as fuck isn't ... the drugs are necessary but the 100% commitment to every other aspect is necessary or you'll just look like another fluffed out gym rat)
Gym rats and various amateurs have been taking 1000-1500 or more for many years while still being healthy enough to continue training, if a multiple Mr Olympia can't handle those same dosages he'd be the odd underdog exception as opposed to the generic freak every Mr Olympia is.
Olympia95
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Right on bro, forgot to mention genetics too I'm my post; Agree with you too 100%
Olympia95
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True; And let me add, I have a feeling every super heavy weight MR. Olympia is banging out ridiculous amounts of hgh. Like 16-32 IU ED.
ScabbyJr
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Anyone else think that the rock and cbs producing next years Olympia is a bad idea? All it's going to do is shine a mainstream light on the sports drug use.
Phil do you take steroids? Oh no Jim....just BCAAs and extra drop sets.
GTFOH
Phil do you take steroids? Oh no Jim....just BCAAs and extra drop sets.
GTFOH
I honestly don't blame pros who publicly claim they only take about 1k per week - think about it, if they told the truth about their dosages then many naive Tom Dick and Harry's would think "ok so if I took 4 grams a week I can look like that! I'm going to get on that asap!" and actually try it, especially with AAS being so easily available nowdays. Who would want to accept that burden of responsibility? Better to either avoid the subject completely like most pros do (but then get labelled as liars unfortunately), or if they publicly talk about it then exaggerate their dosages downward. Tell the truth about their dosages and they get labelled as being "all drugs" and spreading harmful info to youth, etc (like Bostin Loyd - even though he's not even a pro). It's a lose/lose situation no matter how they address (or chose not to address) the issue. Totally understandable why they don't publicly admit their actual usage, and I honestly think it's better that some people believe Mr Olympia winners take only 1 gram of test per week, or that Mike Ohearn, Cali Muscle etc are natural.
The speculation is reaching new heights in here
Stop posting this garbage. You are by far the most worthless member we have here that posts regularly. Suggesting some one takes 300mg of fucking anadrol is beyond reckless. Along with all the other half witt theories you conjure up out of your tinfoil hat.
The guy that you should be listening to is @mands
Dude doesnt even use a gram of combined gear and has achieved great success.
Dude doesnt even use a gram of combined gear and has achieved great success.
I just actually watched Seth's video in full - it sounds right and agrees with what I posted earlier in this thread.
Yes he does say that he uses 800-1200 test per week (and as someone acknowledged he competes in under 202 so expectedly wouldn't need to take as much as the guys competing at 250+) - yet he still said he grew more on 1500 test but didn't like the sides that came with it - and acknowledged he knows guys taking 2 to 3 grams of test.
Also at 800-1200 test when he gave his dosages of Deca and dbol his total miligrams was over 2000.
Yes he does say that he uses 800-1200 test per week (and as someone acknowledged he competes in under 202 so expectedly wouldn't need to take as much as the guys competing at 250+) - yet he still said he grew more on 1500 test but didn't like the sides that came with it - and acknowledged he knows guys taking 2 to 3 grams of test.
Also at 800-1200 test when he gave his dosages of Deca and dbol his total miligrams was over 2000.
I liked especially some of the other info he gave as well, which aligns with what I've believed and even debated against some other board members, specifically:
a) that you can take long Ester test just once a week (he said he likes every five days) rather than minimum 2-3 times a week like many argue, and
b) you can take EQ for 6 to 12 weeks (many argue minimum 16 weeks for EQ lol)
a) that you can take long Ester test just once a week (he said he likes every five days) rather than minimum 2-3 times a week like many argue, and
b) you can take EQ for 6 to 12 weeks (many argue minimum 16 weeks for EQ lol)
I don't know everything that's for sure. Just try to share my knowledge as much as I can to those that will listen.
mands
Those with bad genetics and those that don't wanna eat and put the work in. Good point man.
mands
I don't think anyone is saying it's one or the other between drugs and genetics, obviously you need both to be a 250+ lb Olympia competitor.
Great genetics + low dosages = not a top 10 Olympia competitor (ignoring physique class, under 202, etc)
Average genetics + crazy high dosages = still not a Mr Olympia competitor actually not even a pro card (again ignoring the lighter weight classes or physique category)
Exceptional genetics Plus high dosages = now there's a possibility!
First mistake.... BB'ers are notorious for lying about just about every aspect of their diet, training and gear usage... There's no doubt he is using this cycle as an example for what people should do, not for what he does... It's pretty clear.
There's no doubt that it's a mixed bag. A close, personal friend, is an IFBB pro in super heavy weight... I know for a fact, "fact" meaning what he has said personally, that he takes 18iu seros/day, more ephedra than is imaginable (as was suggested by Chris Aceto to him directly), 5+ grams of test /week in the "mass building" phase, various anabolics and of course insulin with other shit.
Now, there IS a chance he is full of shit. He could be taking more, or less, than what he told me. However, he was also open about his synthol usage, so I feel pretty confident this is legit information, and I've known the guy 10 or so years.
I'm not saying they ALL do this, or they all do not, I don't really know. But, I do know from one person's account, that he does. He also has mentioned many times he is mild in comparison to what some of his competition uses, and he is also much more drugged than others in his class. That implies to me a lot of it IS genetics.
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