IGF1-Des and Peg-MGF worth for locaized muscle growth?

Luke391

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I want bigger legs.
I'm already training them at max recovery capacity I think and every set to failure (I spend like 70% of my time at the gym doing legs lol).
Doing more sets than this I end up under-recovered and loose strenght.
Full rom, slow eccentric, 3x week frequency, yada yada all the usual stuff.

Anyone would say these two are worth a shot (metaphorically and litterally) to grow the quds/hamstrings specifically?
I think they are decently proportionate to my upper body but I want the look of massive legs.
 
I'm not on AAS or HGH. High frequency with lower volume per session is ideal.

Before saying "just get on Test", I want to grow the legs more than the upper body
i wouldn't recommend gear.
What does your leg training look like?
monday, wed, fri and how are you training them?
 
i wouldn't recommend gear.
What does your leg training look like?
monday, wed, fri and how are you training them?
I do full body 3x week. I start with legs every time. Hamstrings first, then quads, then adductors/glutes, then calves.
This is the current routine (just for legs)
Full body A:
Seated leg curl 3 x 6-8, partials beyond failure
Hack squat 1 x 6-8 + 2 forced reps
Leg press 2 x 7-10
Standing calf raise 2 x 8-12, partials beyond failure, 30-60sec isometric hold after 2nd set (isometric to failure as well, that's why the time range)

Full Body B:
SLDL 2 x 5-7
Leg extension 2 x 6-8 + rest pause set
Adductor machine 1 x 6-8 + 2 forced reps
Hip thrust machine 1 x 6-8
Standing calf raise (same as the other day)

Low volume I know but more volume than this and I start loosing strenght. I do the same amount of volume for upper body
I used to do way more volume for the calves but they are growing better with lower volume, it's just the quads/hams I want to grow mainly
Hack squat is almost ATG and leg press I bottom out the machine.
I use squat shoes for the hacks and leg press.
I don't use RIR or go by feel, usually I go until I fail the last rep
 
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Switch this up give yourself more time for recovery. I don't know where this idea that being on PEDs means you need more time to recover.

Try training legs 2x a week. mon and thurs and have one day quad focused then calves the other day ham/glute focused then calves again.

Everything else train once a week in maintenance.
 
you do 5 direct sets on quads...

Stop taking all your sets to failure and train smarter.
it's 3 full body workouts so the sets end are 7-8
training with RIR never got me anything, unless you are very gifted not pushing to failure will only waste your time. More volume than this I can't recover.
Low volume, high frequency and high effort is the smartest approach.
Doing 15-20sets a week at 4RIR is a waste of time.
I litterally do 1 set to failure every session (so 3 x week) for chest, biceps and side delts and they are growing perfectly fine
 
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It was excellent for localized growth in the injected areas. Remember, this is not an immediate thing, a month, 2 or more.....
Fairly sure that I wasn't running deca or anadrol.
I kinda remember GH in combo with it, but I cannot remember off the cuff.
Alex Kiekel has a protocol for it that I did use, which I believe uses HGH. I posted it on here somewhere.
 
It was excellent for localized growth in the injected areas. Remember, this is not an immediate thing, a month, 2 or more.....
Fairly sure that I wasn't running deca or anadrol.
I kinda remember GH in combo with it, but I cannot remember off the cuff.
Alex Kiekel has a protocol for it that I did use, which I believe uses HGH. I posted it on here somewhere.
if you were attacking specific muscle groups in an effort to grow them while eating in a surplus and running other compounds there's no way to really know for sure if the DES was the cause and i am doubtful.
 
Alex Kiekel
also I don't follow youtube gurus. Sorry who is this guy and what are his credentials and formal education? Is he that guy that looks like jesus that pops up every time you do a video search smiling and says every peptide is fantastic?

Another thing to consider based on the rat sudies is that DES' strongest anabolic effect is on gut tissue. if it's effects are localized and not systemic how would it effect gut tissues?
 
also I don't follow youtube gurus. Sorry who is this guy and what are his credentials and formal education? Is he that guy that looks like jesus that pops up every time you do a video search smiling and says every peptide is fantastic?

Another thing to consider based on the rat sudies is that DES' strongest anabolic effect is on gut tissue. if it's effects are localized and not systemic how would it effect gut tissues?
link? I tried to search on google but can't find it.
IGF1-DES doesn't go systemin because it has a very short half life. maybe you saw a study about Increlex or IGF1-LR3
 
also I don't follow youtube gurus. Sorry who is this guy and what are his credentials and formal education? Is he that guy that looks like jesus that pops up every time you do a video search smiling and says every peptide is fantastic?

Another thing to consider based on the rat sudies is that DES' strongest anabolic effect is on gut tissue. if it's effects are localized and not systemic how would it effect gut tissues?
Alex Kikel has (generally) good info.

The other guy you talk about is Hunter Williams. Peptids can be very helpfull, not for muscle growth but for a miriad of health issues that people experience
 
link? I tried to search on google but can't find it.
IGF1-DES doesn't go systemin because it has a very short half life. maybe you saw a study about Increlex or IGF1-LR3

Alex Kikel has (generally) good info.

The other guy you talk about is Hunter Williams. Peptids can be very helpfull, not for muscle growth but for a miriad of health issues that people experience

"selective anabolic effects particularly evident in gut tissues."

"Clinical opportunities for des(1-3)IGF-I have not yet been evaluated"



A person consciously turning themselves into a lab rat is one thing. When paying a coach for medical advice you are putting your life in their hands. To have them take advantage of you and use you to further their career/knowledge at the expense of your health makes them a piece of dog shit.

Exercise autonomy and make informed decisions as to who you are going to take advice from and avoid charlatans who by giving you shitty advice that could ruin your health face no concequence. Nevermind that, where is the logic in paying someone a higher hourly rate than a medical professional? A person with no medical practice or license to lose when you flop, or become disabled being their gineau pig?

There are no clinical trials that prove the drugs short half life in humans or that the effects won't be systemic with any dosing protocol. If someone tells you they have "tested DES on numerous clients" of theirs this is a major red flag. They should be wrapped up in a blanket, duct taped and beaten with boat paddles.

Looking at a number of bodybuilders that have gone down the site enhancement route many appear disfigured: massive distended guts, and odd shaped bloated muscle from synthol not to mention the kidney problems and infection.

There's also mediphorm which is supposed to be safer than synthol and less permanent but there is a risk of vascular occlusions injecting a dermal filler substance into a muscle. There's a reason people seek out plastic surgeons with a long history of positive outcomes ; probably best not to buy a bottle of UGL goop and play doctor.

In my experience anything rushed will never be anywhere close to perfection ; nothing good is going to happen overnight. Train hard, eat adequately and exercise basic logic. Place a stronger focus on the muscle groups you need to improve and relax on the parts you don't. Eventually everything will come together.

I saw a post somewhere that made sense to me about competition prep. This is not the exact quote but it was along these lines.

Don't choose a competition and begin to prepare within that time frame ; Prepare for competition, then, when you are ready, choose the venue.
 
"selective anabolic effects particularly evident in gut tissues."

"Clinical opportunities for des(1-3)IGF-I have not yet been evaluated"



A person consciously turning themselves into a lab rat is one thing. When paying a coach for medical advice you are putting your life in their hands. To have them take advantage of you and use you to further their career/knowledge at the expense of your health makes them a piece of dog shit.

Exercise autonomy and make informed decisions as to who you are going to take advice from and avoid charlatans who by giving you shitty advice that could ruin your health face no concequence. Nevermind that, where is the logic in paying someone a higher hourly rate than a medical professional? A person with no medical practice or license to lose when you flop, or become disabled being their gineau pig?

There are no clinical trials that prove the drugs short half life in humans or that the effects won't be systemic with any dosing protocol. If someone tells you they have "tested DES on numerous clients" of theirs this is a major red flag. They should be wrapped up in a blanket, duct taped and beaten with boat paddles.

Looking at a number of bodybuilders that have gone down the site enhancement route many appear disfigured: massive distended guts, and odd shaped bloated muscle from synthol not to mention the kidney problems and infection.

There's also mediphorm which is supposed to be safer than synthol and less permanent but there is a risk of vascular occlusions injecting a dermal filler substance into a muscle. There's a reason people seek out plastic surgeons with a long history of positive outcomes ; probably best not to buy a bottle of UGL goop and play doctor.

In my experience anything rushed will never be anywhere close to perfection ; nothing good is going to happen overnight. Train hard, eat adequately and exercise basic logic. Place a stronger focus on the muscle groups you need to improve and relax on the parts you don't. Eventually everything will come together.

I saw a post somewhere that made sense to me about competition prep. This is not the exact quote but it was along these lines.

Don't choose a competition and begin to prepare within that time frame ; Prepare for competition, then, when you are ready, choose the venue.
those studies use IGF1, Increlex, not the DES peptide. Increlex goes systemic.

The advice from these "charlatans" has only improved my quality of life and health so far. worst thing I experienced was a little PIP.
this is a steroid forum, people will use stuff, peptides are (generally) way safer than AAS (not that I have anything against AAS, just saying that I belive peptides are safer, even tho less effective for muscle growth)
 
those studies use IGF1, Increlex, not the DES peptide. Increlex goes systemic.

The advice from these "charlatans" has only improved my quality of life and health so far. worst thing I experienced was a little PIP.
this is a steroid forum, people will use stuff, peptides are (generally) way safer than AAS (not that I have anything against AAS, just saying that I belive peptides are safer, even tho less effective for muscle growth)
As i said you have the autonomy to do as you please and just out of curiosity how do you hypothesize rhIGF-I DES is going to improve your health?

A little pip? A shared syringe from an HIV patient will also only feel a slight poke. Down the road you may feel something.
 

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