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[einstein1905]

Einstein,

There are studies on IGF-1 LR3 going back to 1993. I may have misunderstood you but I don't recall any of them saying anything about the IGF-1 LR3 staying localized within the injected muscle.


MaxRep

The studies I'm referring to are recent. IGF-1 expressed (at very high levels) in muscle caused no increase in plasma IGF-1 levels. The IGF-1 expressed in muscle in every study I've seen causes significant increases in strength and mass. Regarding our use of IGF-1 LR3, there isn't much experience out there, so it's not fair to say it's not worth it. I had very good results at 50mcg 1x/day post w/o/ The high BA content shouldn't be an issue, if you're taking water up into the pin before drawing the IGF-1....it wasn't for me anyway. I know of several people that got great results. I have also heard some not so good results, as demonstrated above. I'm disappointed to hear that Josh Phillips had unimpressive results with IGF-1 and slin together...I'd expect great things from that combo. Were you shooting the slin IM too and in the same muscle as the IGF-1? I'm not sold on shooting humalog IM (it may be no different) but the longer acting insulins shouldn't be an issue. Some get subQ localized fat accumulation as a result of subQ slin shots in the abdomen over time.
While on IGF-1, it's not a bad idea to further increase the amount of protein you're taking in either. The results, dosages, and sides all seem to be very individualized.

 

[MaxRep]

Were you shooting the slin IM too and in the same muscle as the IGF-1? I'm not sold on shooting humalog IM (it may be no different) but the longer acting insulins shouldn't be an issue. Some get subQ localized fat accumulation as a result of subQ slin shots in the abdomen over time.
While on IGF-1, it's not a bad idea to further increase the amount of protein you're taking in either. The results, dosages, and sides all seem to be very individualized.

Yes, I was shooting 65mcg's IGF-1LR3 with 8iu Humulin-R IM in the same pin, post workout. Calories were around 4.5k/day and protein around 400g/day. Like I said, I do feel there was an additional benefit above and beyond what I normally receive from the same cycle but not substantial enough to warrant future use. As I get older, I get a little more reluctant to be a guinea pig for the fringe/unproven products.

MaxRep

 

[einstein1905]

Yes, I was shooting 65mcg's IGF-1LR3 with 8iu Humulin-R IM in the same pin, post workout. Calories were around 4.5k/day and protein around 400g/day. Like I said, I do feel there was an additional benefit above and beyond what I normally receive from the same cycle but not substantial enough to warrant future use. As I get older, I get a little more reluctant to be a guinea pig for the fringe/unproven products.

MaxRep

I understand. I wouldn't continue either if the results weren't substantial enough to warrant it. I will be going IM with LR3/humalog this upcoming cycle. I got good results alone though. Did you notice a much slower effect of the humalin, in your case, when going IM? I can't attribute your lacklustre results to not doing things right/ It sounds like you had everything exactly the way it should have been. The wide range of responses to IGF-1 make it hard for people to opt to try it or not. As with everything, it's a calculated risk.

 

[MaxRep]

I understand. I wouldn't continue either if the results weren't substantial enough to warrant it. I will be going IM with LR3/humalog this upcoming cycle. I got good results alone though. Did you notice a much slower effect of the humalin, in your case, when going IM? I can't attribute your lacklustre results to not doing things right/ It sounds like you had everything exactly the way it should have been. The wide range of responses to IGF-1 make it hard for people to opt to try it or not. As with everything, it's a calculated risk.

Going with the IGF/humulin together results in the same fast insulin effect as going with just humulin IM. Definitely faster than using the slin subQ. You need to really have your carb intake timed perfectly.

Have a great weekend!
MaxRep

 

[Thisuser]

Using the email on the GenScie website, I asked What is the shelf life of Jintropin unmixed? And if possible, can you recommend doseages for both general youthful health/well being and for body builders using anabolics to promote growth.
Their aswer was:

>it is [good for] about 3 years in 4C condition.

Anyone know what 4C condition is?

>for general well being: 2-3IU/day;
>for anabolics purpose: 5-10IU/day.

 

[einstein1905]

I was told you inject in to fat for localized fat reduction not into muscle. Also

Using the email on the GenScie website, I asked What is the shelf life of Jintropin unmixed? And if possible, can you recommend doseages for both general youthful health/well being and for body builders using anabolics to promote growth.
Their aswer was:

>it is about 3 years in 4C condition.
>for general well being: 2-3IU/day;
>for anabolics purpose: 5-10IU/day.

Does this sound right?
Anyone know what 4C condition is?

Thier site keeps changing, I stumbled accross it twice now and both times the link worked for a couple of days then it stops working. What up?

We're talking about IGF-1 LR3....you're referring to GH.
4 dec C is fridge temperatures
those doses are in the ball park for GH

 

[Tank01]

I was told you inject in to fat for localized fat reduction not into muscle. Also

Using the email on the GenScie website, I asked What is the shelf life of Jintropin unmixed? And if possible, can you recommend doseages for both general youthful health/well being and for body builders using anabolics to promote growth.
Their aswer was:

>it is about 3 years in 4C condition.
>for general well being: 2-3IU/day;
>for anabolics purpose: 5-10IU/day.

Does this sound right?
Anyone know what 4C condition is?

Thier site keeps changing, I stumbled accross it twice now and both times the link worked for a couple of days then it stops working. What up?

you are talking about GH... they are talking about LR3 IGF1

 

[Tank01]

I am just about to finish a cycle of Humalog + LR3-IGF1 + Jino....

I am goign to continue the Jino for the next year ... if possible...

Currently running: 5iu Jinotropin (shoot at 8am), 10iu Humalog (shot IM post workout into muscle worked), and 40mcg LR3-IGF1 (shot IM with Insulin into muscle worked).

My results have been awsome... I cant belive I didnt use this stuff earlier... oh well... I have gotten stronger and bigger...and I am staying relitivly lean too.

I might also add that I am on my PCT... I started my cycle when I started my PCT... I was at 195 at around maybe 5.5%bf... Now Im sitting at about 203-205 at about 6%bf or so... maybe 6.5-7... My muscles seem fuller, more pumped, and I feel thicker, more vascular, and stronger....

I havent had any problems with going Hypoglycemic yet... I follow a strict eating protocol:

Shoot slin and igf... 5 min later drink 57-75g Dexatrose and 7-10g Creatine...I then wait 15 minutes... then drink 60-80g whey protien and take my vits and minerals... then I wait 1.25-1.5 hours later and then I eat another meal consisting of about 40-60g Prot, 30-45g Carbs (usualy brown rice or oatmeal), and as little fat as possible... I time all these meals with a stopwatch so I know that im eating correctly...

hope that helps someone out there

lata,