im vs subq injections

[Live_Evil]

here is one that shows stable levels in subcutaneous injections for females to males.

Serum Testosterone Concentrations Remain Stable Between Injections in Patients Receiving Subcutaneous Testosterone - PMC

Intramuscular (IM) testosterone is the most common modality for testosterone therapy of both male hypogonadism and female-to-male (FTM) gender transition. However, IM injections can be painful and often are not self-administered by the patient. The ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

this study below discusses IM TC vs SCTE. Shows SCTE has lower Hematocrit and e2. SCTE shows the same Testosterone levels too( i thought it would be lower if anything).

I am assuming that since it is slower release, prevents higher peaks and lower troughs.

Comparison of Outcomes for Hypogonadal Men Treated with Intramuscular Testosterone Cypionate versus Subcutaneous Testosterone Enanthate - PubMed

While IM-TC and SCTE-AI provide a significant increase in TT levels, SCTE-AI is associated with lower levels of post-therapy HCT and E2 compared to IM-TC after adjusting for significant covariates. SCTE-AI is an effective testosterone delivery system with a potentially preferable safety profile...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I think some of the other studies conclude that it is more easier to perform and is painless compared to IM for a long period of time. etc

Thanks for finding those! I believe the one you're talking about in your last paragraph took individuals who were doing IM injections for test cyp, switched them to sub q, and every individual in the study preferred sub q.

 

[Justaguy99]

2ml sub Q ? What size needle and what mg per ml of test ? I call complete billshit if it’s proper subq

Yup. 2ml in 2 shots sub q.

 

[Justaguy99]

Possibly but still … Tren or Test E 300 would leave hurting and lumped

I run sust 400 and primo 300
Zero lumps.
I'm lean enough it's shallow IM really.
29g 1/2" 1mil.
Coatco

 

[Leg_locker]

I use 27g 1/2" also and I consider it shallow IM also. What are your guys protocol for sub q? Are you grabbing the skin and injecting or injecting at a 45⁰ angle? I hope @K1ngufk1ngs is still running his experiment and will update when done.

 

[phenominal34]

I run sust 400 and primo 300
Zero lumps.
I'm lean enough it's shallow IM really.
29g 1/2" 1mil.
Coatco

That’s a huge difference, shallow IM v Subq my friend !! Ok believable now lol

I do shallow IM or possibly IM but not deep, I use 28g 1/2” pecs, delts, Vg, quads

I tried subq 3-4 years ago when I first started and def welted and lumped and bruised with only .4 ml

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

I use 27g 1/2" also and I consider it shallow IM also. What are your guys protocol for sub q? Are you grabbing the skin and injecting or injecting at a 45⁰ angle? I hope @K1ngufk1ngs is still running his experiment and will update when done.

Tomorrow is glute subq I forgot what I was gonna do today and just did Im delt. But then Friday I'll do glute im

 

[connoristiny]

Thanks everyone for the input. Would a 30g 1/2" needle be too thin to push the oil through? And can you guarantee going IM in every spot with a 1/2" inch if relatively lean. For me I guess relatively lean means always having my six pack showing.

 

[marco11]

2ml sub Q ? What size needle and what mg per ml of test ? I call complete billshit if it’s proper subq

Not bullshit bro

Ive done 3ml subq with 27 gauge many times and I just massage the area for a few minutes and it actually flattens out quite nicely.

 

[Leg_locker]

Thanks everyone for the input. Would a 30g 1/2" needle be too thin to push the oil through? And can you guarantee going IM in every spot with a 1/2" inch if relatively lean. For me I guess relatively lean means always having my six pack showing.

Depends on the carrier oil and how much your volume your pushing. MCT would be fine but cso or gso may take forever unless heated up but even then.

Ive done 3ml subq with 27 gauge many times and I just massage the area for a few minutes and it actually flattens out quite nicely.

I'm going to assume you are very lean so same question as before how do you know it's going sub q vs shallow IM?

 

[marco11]

Depends on the carrier oil and how much your volume your pushing. MCT would be fine but cso or gso may take forever unless heated up but even then.

I'm going to assume you are very lean so same question as before how do you know it's going sub q vs shallow IM?

Yeah I'm very lean and definitely not going shallow IM. I don't recommend doing 3ml but it is doable.

I have alot of scar tissue on my quads and my glutes so I try to avoid I'm unless it's my delts.

 

[Leg_locker]

Yeah I'm very lean and definitely not going shallow IM. I don't recommend doing 3ml but it is doable.

I have alot of scar tissue on my quads and my glutes so I try to avoid I'm unless it's my delts.

Sorry to pry but iv been interested in the sub q route BC I to have alot of scar tissue building up I can feel the "pops" when going in sometimes but never had success with sub q yet
Are you injecting at a 45⁰ angle to make sure it's not shallow IM or stopping the needle short?

 

[marco11]

Sorry to pry but iv been interested in the sub q route BC I to have alot of scar tissue building up I can feel the "pops" when going in sometimes but never had success with sub q yet
Are you injecting at a 45⁰ angle to make sure it's not shallow IM or stopping the needle short?

Going through scar tissue for me hurts like a mother fucker.

I grab my skin and pull up slightly so I know Im not going IM by using my thumb and index finger and go in at a 45 degree angle. When I pull out I sometimes have a bump but when I massage it and press it with a closed fist gently it subsides and looks almost perfectly flat.

I rarely have pip unless its a high concentration like T500 or 2/3 different compound in a 3ml syringe.

 

[Leg_locker]

Going through scar tissue for me hurts like a mother fucker.

I grab my skin and pull up slightly so I know Im not going IM by using my thumb and index finger and go in at a 45 degree angle. When I pull out I sometimes have a bump but when I massage it and press it with a closed fist gently it subsides and looks almost perfectly flat.

I rarely have pip unless its a high concentration like T500 or 2/3 different compound in a 3ml syringe.

Thank you! I'll giver another go one of these days I never tried pulling the skin and going in at 45

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

Thank you! I'll giver another go one of these days I never tried pulling the skin and going in at 45

Yeah all my subq I usually pinch up the fat like you do for a caliper test or those who know how you do for small pets for shots

 

[TrenTrenTren]

I do subq injections in my ass fat, and I have no problems whatsoever. Not even lumps. They go away in a day.

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

Yeah just did subq in right glute. Tbh so far less discomfort than Im delt

 

[Rido]

Yeah just did subq in right glute. Tbh so far less discomfort than Im delt

What did you inject?

 

[Live_Evil]

Yeah just did subq in right glute. Tbh so far less discomfort than Im delt

Test cypionate? Pharma or UGL?

 

[Leg_locker]

I do subq injections in my ass fat, and I have no problems whatsoever. Not even lumps. They go away in a day.

You get that special massage treatment tho don't you?

 

[K1ngufk1ngs]

Test cypionate? Pharma or UGL?

Sust250(.45ml)/mast200(.3ml)/deca300(.2ml)
Ugl