I am 22 years old, 6' 1", about 82kg's or 180lbs. Worked out for 4-5 years.
Been on HRT for 6months. Currently on Test Enanthate 125mg E5D, 300iu HCG E4D or E5D, and aromasin as my anti-e which ive just started at 10mg ED.
Before HRT these were my labs:
Total Test: 13 (10-33) (was 10 on first test, but that was slightly later in day)
Free Test: 34 (60-130)
LH: 7 (3-20)
FSH: 3 (3-20)
TSH: 2.2 (0.4-4.0)
SHBG: 10 (13-71) this was actually taken after starting HRT.
Had all the symptoms of low test.
I didn't have any estrogens checked (doc wouldn't go for it).
Before HRT my BF% was always around the same at about 15% (at a guess). I had a very "soft" physique even though I trained and ate extremely well. I trained with a competitive bodybuilder (natural) and we shared the same intensity training and diets. I could never gain much LBM at all, and my bf% would never really change. Even when I tried his competition cutting diet, my bf PERCENTAGE didn't really drop. Many people commented on how my muscles were "soft". I was in decent "shape" though.
Since being on HRT I've felt great, lost fat, gained lbm etc etc. Mojo was not good though. My estrodiol was tested twice and was:
E2: 236 (40-250) both times.
Since using an anti-e my sex function has improved and I get night/morning wang. What I noticed with the anti-e though, is that I lost a lot of water retention, my muscles seem a lot harder, and I just have a more "athletic" look. I didn't bloat or gain any noticable (visible or scales) weight from the testosterone enanthate injections.
This is where I come to my theory. My natural Total Test was not obscenely low. Everything else was reasonable, except FSH which was on the bottom of the chart. Now, what if naturally I had high Estrogen (explains the watery body composition and inability to drop bf%)? This is what I'm thinking. So what if I was natural and took an anti-e such as DIM or nolva, thus reducing estrogen and creating a negative feedback to my HPTA which would in turn increase testosterone production. Perhaps even take a low dose of clomid to stimulate LH and FSH a bit more. So basically a mild version of a bodybuilder's PCT. My thyroid was normal and the doc said my balls were alright size.
If I can go natural I want to.
What do you guys think about this possibility? If only I had a blood test that showed my Estro before HRT I would know for sure, but I am not lying when I describe how well I ate and how hard I trained and how my Bodyfat PERCENTAGE was just a bitch, and how soft my muscles were, and how this has all changed with only a low dose anti-e (will get my e2 checked soon to see how much 10mg aromasin lowered it).
So the end goal:
Take an anti-e (nolva or DIM) -> reduce estrogen -> increase test via negative feedback -> live happily ever after.
I have been on HRT 6months so I need a program to re-kick my HPTA into action, it has to be good.
I'm thinking along the lines of:
Nolva @ 20mg ED with:
2 weeks of HCG @ 250-300iu EOD
Followed by 2 weeks of Clomid @ 50mg ED
Tapering down over the next 2 weeks.
Tapering down the nolva to 10mg EOD.
Then when everything is settled, say 1month after stopping clomid, taking a blood test to see where I'm at.
I'm young and only been on HRT 6months. If I'm to try anything to get natural then this is the time to do it. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.
Been on HRT for 6months. Currently on Test Enanthate 125mg E5D, 300iu HCG E4D or E5D, and aromasin as my anti-e which ive just started at 10mg ED.
Before HRT these were my labs:
Total Test: 13 (10-33) (was 10 on first test, but that was slightly later in day)
Free Test: 34 (60-130)
LH: 7 (3-20)
FSH: 3 (3-20)
TSH: 2.2 (0.4-4.0)
SHBG: 10 (13-71) this was actually taken after starting HRT.
Had all the symptoms of low test.
I didn't have any estrogens checked (doc wouldn't go for it).
Before HRT my BF% was always around the same at about 15% (at a guess). I had a very "soft" physique even though I trained and ate extremely well. I trained with a competitive bodybuilder (natural) and we shared the same intensity training and diets. I could never gain much LBM at all, and my bf% would never really change. Even when I tried his competition cutting diet, my bf PERCENTAGE didn't really drop. Many people commented on how my muscles were "soft". I was in decent "shape" though.
Since being on HRT I've felt great, lost fat, gained lbm etc etc. Mojo was not good though. My estrodiol was tested twice and was:
E2: 236 (40-250) both times.
Since using an anti-e my sex function has improved and I get night/morning wang. What I noticed with the anti-e though, is that I lost a lot of water retention, my muscles seem a lot harder, and I just have a more "athletic" look. I didn't bloat or gain any noticable (visible or scales) weight from the testosterone enanthate injections.
This is where I come to my theory. My natural Total Test was not obscenely low. Everything else was reasonable, except FSH which was on the bottom of the chart. Now, what if naturally I had high Estrogen (explains the watery body composition and inability to drop bf%)? This is what I'm thinking. So what if I was natural and took an anti-e such as DIM or nolva, thus reducing estrogen and creating a negative feedback to my HPTA which would in turn increase testosterone production. Perhaps even take a low dose of clomid to stimulate LH and FSH a bit more. So basically a mild version of a bodybuilder's PCT. My thyroid was normal and the doc said my balls were alright size.
If I can go natural I want to.
What do you guys think about this possibility? If only I had a blood test that showed my Estro before HRT I would know for sure, but I am not lying when I describe how well I ate and how hard I trained and how my Bodyfat PERCENTAGE was just a bitch, and how soft my muscles were, and how this has all changed with only a low dose anti-e (will get my e2 checked soon to see how much 10mg aromasin lowered it).
So the end goal:
Take an anti-e (nolva or DIM) -> reduce estrogen -> increase test via negative feedback -> live happily ever after.
I have been on HRT 6months so I need a program to re-kick my HPTA into action, it has to be good.
I'm thinking along the lines of:
Nolva @ 20mg ED with:
2 weeks of HCG @ 250-300iu EOD
Followed by 2 weeks of Clomid @ 50mg ED
Tapering down over the next 2 weeks.
Tapering down the nolva to 10mg EOD.
Then when everything is settled, say 1month after stopping clomid, taking a blood test to see where I'm at.
I'm young and only been on HRT 6months. If I'm to try anything to get natural then this is the time to do it. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.
