Inquiring minds wanna know, Who here has tried IGF and doses did you run??

[rooster1]

There are still alot of people that don't know how to run this research material and it is hard to do a search for it. What is some feedback from those that actually ran it and what were your results?

 

[Big Trav]

30 days on...20mcg's ed. Didn't really see anything major happen with fat loss or muscle gain, but I did get hardness that I have yet to get while on anything else. I also noticed that my veins seems to push through the skin more, but it could have been my mind screwing with me.

 

[rooster1]

bump for strength222

 

[einstein1905]

I've run several IGF-1 cycles. I find that 40-50mcg/day is the best dose, with higher doses not bring substantially better gains. Each cycle has been 25-30 days, but I will run my upcoming cycle until gains cease, as I have a theory about using GH with IGF-1 allowing for gains over a longer period. I always inject IM PWO into the muscles just worked to take advantage of receptor upregulation in response to resistance training (muscle trauma). I have seen both site-specific effects and generalized effects. the fat loss is very dramatic in most cases. Pumps are great. Most people fail to adjust carbs appropriately and experience fatigue and nausea. You may get slight diarhea early on, due to the rapid turnover of epithelial cells. Well worth the money, or I wouldn't continue using it.

 

[STRENGTH222]

I've run several IGF-1 cycles. I find that 40-50mcg/day is the best dose, with higher doses not bring substantially better gains. Each cycle has been 25-30 days, but I will run my upcoming cycle until gains cease, as I have a theory about using GH with IGF-1 allowing for gains over a longer period. I always inject IM PWO into the muscles just worked to take advantage of receptor upregulation in response to resistance training (muscle trauma). I have seen both site-specific effects and generalized effects. the fat loss is very dramatic in most cases. Pumps are great. Most people fail to adjust carbs appropriately and experience fatigue and nausea. You may get slight diarhea early on, due to the rapid turnover of epithelial cells. Well worth the money, or I wouldn't continue using it.

THANKS ROOSTER. EINSTEIN MY QUESTION IS THE CONVERSION FROM MCG -IUS OR MG...WHAT IS 40MCG IN IUS OR IN MG. HOW DO YOU TAKE IT IM OR SUBCUTANEOUSLY LIKE GH....ALSO I HEAR THAT BREAKING IT UP WITHIN THE DAY IS ALSO GOOD. FOR EX. 15 AM 15 MIDDAY 15 POST WORKOUT OR 20 AM AND 20 PM...PLEASE IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS ,THIS WOULD BE GREAT. NOONE CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. YOU CAN EMAIL ME TO IF YOU LIKE I AM GOING TO EMAIL YOU ANYWAY I HOPE I AM NOT IMPOSSING I JUST NEED PROFESSIONAL ADVICE IN AN AREA I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH

 

[muslhead]

I too have run several cycles of IGF, either at 40 or 50mcg/day for 20-25 days. I guess I didnt adjust my carbs enough as Einstein said as I experienced extremely lethargy about 1-2 hours after morning shot. I would just flat out fall asleep regardless of what I was doing at that time.
MH

 

[AnabolicAnimal]

when you say "adjust your carbs" in which direction should you adjust? more or less? also can you run IGF with GH?

 

[Tank01]

THanks for contributing another wonderfull post to this board Einstein... have you had a chance to look at that PM i sent you on BDBB... I just recieved a bottle of humalog today which Ill be using... oh by the way .. in AR... under the post about how long insulin will last I responded with a question about experiation... more specificaly i was curious how long after experiation is humalog good? Unfortunatley the humalog i got has an exp of sep 2004... so that is why im concerned (oh btw, i got it through a local guy... i have more on the way from another source ;-))... if all goes as planned I should start on Monday of next week... GH, Slin, IGF1... and PCT

thanks bro,

 

[Austin316]

IGF1 and GH

I have read that Gh and IGF1 stack well together.
In BUILDING THE PEFECT BEAST they reccomend 4 days of IGF1 followed by 3 days of GH. They also reccomend another protocol where you just alternate EOD.
keep in mind the samples he lays out in his book include Insilun as well. throughout the book he does mention that IGF1 and GH are great together, because IGF-1 will shut down GH production.

I'm about to run a cycle as well and would like to know
How many carbs I shouold take? Also Is best to take Crbs in right after the shoot or like an hour later?

Austin 316

 

[einstein1905]

Firstly, your BG will drop (not drastically, but drop and remain lowered ) starting about 1.5-2hrs after IM injection of IGF-1 (assuming the dose is in the 40-50mcg range). You'll want to increase carb intake to compensate and to combat the lethargy that many experience. You can plan ahead and take in sufficient complex carbs or adjust on the fly with dextrose as needed. In time, you'll find the appropriate amount of carbs that YOU need to maintain a comfortable BG level.



Insulin, if kept refridgerated, will maintain potency far beyond its expiration date. Expiration dates are usually based on the period of time it takes for statistically significant amounts of degradation to occur, but don't be misled. Statistically significant values usually have no practical importance (i.e. the degradation that has occurred is still miniscule).

The fact that IGF-1 suppresses endo GH still doesn't justify alternating the two. In fact, I posted before on why using the 2 together can be very advantageous. I use them together.

 

[Austin316]

Igf!/hgh

Eistien what do you think of this:

IGF-1 40-50 mcg ed
GH 2-4 IU 2x per day
This would be like a day 50-60day cycle

With the IGF1 do you take the dosage all at once.
Example: Post workout One 25mcg right Bi, one 25mcg left Bi.

What about taking the IGF-1 right before the gym.
If it takes 1.5 2hrs to hit you. It would be working right at the end of the workout then you could have a post workout shake right after your training is over. What do you think???

Thanks for your help!
Austin 316

 

[STRENGTH222]

Eistien what do you think of this:

IGF-1 40-50 mcg ed
GH 2-4 IU 2x per day
This would be like a day 50-60day cycle

With the IGF1 do you take the dosage all at once.
Example: Post workout One 25mcg right Bi, one 25mcg left Bi.

What about taking the IGF-1 right before the gym.
If it takes 1.5 2hrs to hit you. It would be working right at the end of the workout then you could have a post workout shake right after your training is over. What do you think???

Thanks for your help!
Austin 316

AUSTIN GOOD QUESTION. AND THANK YOU TO ROOSTER AND EINSTEIN FOR FINALLYT ANSWERING THE LONG LOST QUESTIONS...IT WAS LIKE FINDING THE DAMN HOLY GRAIL , THESES ANSWERS...THANK YOU

 

[bigmik44]

Eistien what do you think of this:

IGF-1 40-50 mcg ed
GH 2-4 IU 2x per day
This would be like a day 50-60day cycle

With the IGF1 do you take the dosage all at once.
Example: Post workout One 25mcg right Bi, one 25mcg left Bi.

What about taking the IGF-1 right before the gym.
If it takes 1.5 2hrs to hit you. It would be working right at the end of the workout then you could have a post workout shake right after your training is over. What do you think???

Thanks for your help!
Austin 316

I do 50mcg 2-3 hours pre-workout and the pumps are amazing. Not cramping pumps, but my whole body gets swole and hard. I also do a large protein shake with it and post-workout.

 

[einstein1905]

Eistien what do you think of this:

IGF-1 40-50 mcg ed
GH 2-4 IU 2x per day
This would be like a day 50-60day cycle

With the IGF1 do you take the dosage all at once.
Example: Post workout One 25mcg right Bi, one 25mcg left Bi.

What about taking the IGF-1 right before the gym.
If it takes 1.5 2hrs to hit you. It would be working right at the end of the workout then you could have a post workout shake right after your training is over. What do you think???

Thanks for your help!
Austin 316

I should have worded it differently. It's not that it takes 2 hours to hit you, it's that it'll be about 2 hrs before the cummulative effects are significant enough to have noticeable effects on BG. If you graphed your BG over time, you'd see a gradual decrease starting at the time of injection. I have used it pre workout, but the pumps adversly affect the workout. The time that's most critical for IGF-1 is pwo anyway....and not necessarily immediately pwo. IGF-1 is all about tissue repair for our purposes, and IGF receptors are upregulated in response to muscle trauma....injecting pwo takes full advantage of this, whereas injecting earlier allows for sufficient time for The IGF-1 to disperse from the site of injection. It's not that you won't get effects....you will....it's just that by timing everything just right, you position yourself to get the most out of the compounds used.

 

[Tank01]

I should have worded it differently. It's not that it takes 2 hours to hit you, it's that it'll be about 2 hrs before the cummulative effects are significant enough to have noticeable effects on BG. If you graphed your BG over time, you'd see a gradual decrease starting at the time of injection. I have used it pre workout, but the pumps adversly affect the workout. The time that's most critical for IGF-1 is pwo anyway....and not necessarily immediately pwo. IGF-1 is all about tissue repair for our purposes, and IGF receptors are upregulated in response to muscle trauma....injecting pwo takes full advantage of this, whereas injecting earlier allows for sufficient time for The IGF-1 to disperse from the site of injection. It's not that you won't get effects....you will....it's just that by timing everything just right, you position yourself to get the most out of the compounds used.

I love you man... ... you are fuckin a great addition to this board... Everythign should be GO on my cycle too... got all the indgredients with more being shipped as we speak. Tank is very happy ... and Once I can tommorow im placing an order for about 3 more kits of IGF1

 

[rooster1]

Very good info here. Thanks for mentioning that book Austin316. I will have to check it out. I believe this was mentioned above but wanted absolute clarity. You can use IGF IM, correct? I was doing SQ inj and it just looked like bee stings everywhere for 2 weeks and I gave it up. So this time I was going to mix it stronger so I put less in the syringe and then do IM injections mixed with B-12. Is this acceptable method?

 

[einstein1905]

Very good info here. Thanks for mentioning that book Austin316. I will have to check it out. I believe this was mentioned above but wanted absolute clarity. You can use IGF IM, correct? I was doing SQ inj and it just looked like bee stings everywhere for 2 weeks and I gave it up. So this time I was going to mix it stronger so I put less in the syringe and then do IM injections mixed with B-12. Is this acceptable method?

Absolutely. IM is far superior IMO. Injecting into the muscles just worked allows for the greatest potential to yield results. I usually recommend BW to cut each injection, but I actually use B-12 most of the time myself.

 

[Tank01]

Absolutely. IM is far superior IMO. Injecting into the muscles just worked allows for the greatest potential to yield results. I usually recommend BW to cut each injection, but I actually use B-12 most of the time myself.

So can you cut slin and IGF shots with b12? that is ok? I was goign to load everything up in one syringe that i could bring with me to the gym in a cooler... so would mixing humalog and IGF1 with b12 be a bad idea or ok... (more so for the slin since you already said that its ok with IGF1)... thanks einstein

 

[rooster1]

^^^

 

[Eating Machine]

Tank, I have read alot about the cumulative (synergistic) effect of slin and igf. The general rule that I have read is to use 1/2 the normal dose of slin while using igf and work up from there.

So if you are normally using 10ius slin post WO then drop to 5ius slin and your 20mcg of igf or whatever dose your using.

So far i have not ventured into using both igf and slin simultaneosly in a cycle because of all the warnings.