Instead of DNP...

[beachathlete]

I had been doing a ton of research into trying to help my SO lose some extra weight. Skipping the backstory, ideally looking to lose about 30lbs of body fat. She has now bought into my weight training program which is already starting to show results. I had been considering and actually got a hold of DNP, but after the months of research and considering proper prep - I think the fact the climate we are in is consistently over 85% is making me reconsider what is best. The sides of clen and abuterol seem to not be worth it. I've added 15-20mg weekly of test cyp for some strength and energy in the gym and am considering something simple - maybe 10mg daily of cardarine for 6 weeks. I've seen some mixed reviews, but the most recent ones I've read from some females seemed pretty promising.

Is there a better option for a simple leaning substance?

 

[T&H]

I had been doing a ton of research into trying to help my SO lose some extra weight. Skipping the backstory, ideally looking to lose about 30lbs of body fat. She has now bought into my weight training program which is already starting to show results. I had been considering and actually got a hold of DNP, but after the months of research and considering proper prep - I think the fact the climate we are in is consistently over 85% is making me reconsider what is best. The sides of clen and abuterol seem to not be worth it. I've added 15-20mg weekly of test cyp for some strength and energy in the gym and am considering something simple - maybe 10mg daily of cardarine for 6 weeks. I've seen some mixed reviews, but the most recent ones I've read from some females seemed pretty promising.

Is there a better option for a simple leaning substance?

A lot of people are having success with glp drugs such as ozempic, trulicity, saxenda, etc. A few sources carry these products, one guy selling 4 trulicity pens right now for cheap. You should do some searching on here and read the many posts where members talk about their experience with each.

 

[Doodle]

okay here is my experience on both DNP and clen.

DNP - I lost 70 pounds. I changed my diet and exercise and was losing weight like crazy. So in that aspect, it was a miracle drug. HOWEVER, it was a nasty bitch. The sides were nasty. I felt sick 24/7. I was constantly hot and sweat like a pig. I couldn’t even simply exist without sweating. I took a break and then went for another cycle the next year. This time I went blind. Literally. I’m not exaggerating. I am a surgical coordinator for an eye surgeon so trust me when I say that I was the worst case I’ve ever handled. I went blind in just 2 months. My cataracts were so dense all I could see was white. Couldn’t even see my hand in front of my face. My boss did my surgery. I can see again better than before but it cost me 7k. Most expensive weight loss. I will never touch DNP again.

Clen - I haven’t been on clen as long as I did DNP. But the weight loss is happening just as fast as DNP for me. So far the only sides I’ve had are occasional headaches. This is soooo much better than DNP. I’m only a few pounds away from my goal and I’m so proud of myself for my massive lifestyle change. I feel very confident that I can maintain this without medication after this cycle.

Edit: I agree with the above poster. The newer drugs like ozempic seem to be working really well for a majority of users with very little side effects.

 

[MFAAS]

Albuterol sides? What are you referring to. Salbutamol (oral albuterool) really is very easy on the system for most people. The only side I had was a little dry mouth and obviously appetite suppression, and I am very sensitive to stimulants.

 

[Type-IIx]

okay here is my experience on both DNP and clen.

DNP - I lost 70 pounds. I changed my diet and exercise and was losing weight like crazy. So in that aspect, it was a miracle drug. HOWEVER, it was a nasty bitch. The sides were nasty. I felt sick 24/7. I was constantly hot and sweat like a pig. I couldn’t even simply exist without sweating. I took a break and then went for another cycle the next year. This time I went blind. Literally. I’m not exaggerating. I am a surgical coordinator for an eye surgeon so trust me when I say that I was the worst case I’ve ever handled. I went blind in just 2 months. My cataracts were so dense all I could see was white. Couldn’t even see my hand in front of my face. My boss did my surgery. I can see again better than before but it cost me 7k. Most expensive weight loss. I will never touch DNP again.

Clen - I haven’t been on clen as long as I did DNP. But the weight loss is happening just as fast as DNP for me. So far the only sides I’ve had are occasional headaches. This is soooo much better than DNP. I’m only a few pounds away from my goal and I’m so proud of myself for my massive lifestyle change. I feel very confident that I can maintain this without medication after this cycle.

Edit: I agree with the above poster. The newer drugs like ozempic seem to be working really well for a majority of users with very little side effects.

I've long believed that the cataract risk (however low in absolute terms) must be weighed heavily (because blind), and tends to make DNP an irrational choice for most, considering the multiple methods (that will even SAVE you money like eating less & moving more) to achieve fat loss/recomp that are available to someone who can stand to lose 30 lb of body fat.

In this case (obese female, likely) I cannot fathom relying on drugs if there's not only willingness but real action on the part of the dieter (that is commendable).

Initiating resistance training causes dramatic lipolytic and even anorexigenic responses (e.g., fat loss & muscle hypertrophy, sensitization to satiation & appetite regulation).

Some basic nutritional practices (increased protein and decreased processed food source intakes, kcal reduction) in combination with resistance training are such potent stimuli when one initiates these routines (especially for the first 1.5 years +/-, for a well-designed and -implemented training program) for the first time ever or anew after cessation, that it's irrational in my view to turn to drugs because:
- this risks a rebound effect upon drug cessation, that is demotivating
- recomping (simultaneously building muscle while losing body fat) occurs readily, and is inherently motivating
- obviates the importance of the cognitive aspects ( a learning effect, and developing innate discipline and physical work ethic) that are conducive to supporting long-term adherence to training and improved nutritional practices (that drug use aggravates).

So instead of DNP, what makes more sense is a protein supplement that tastes good (providing the BCAAs; e.g., whey, casein, egg white, etc.) & perhaps fish oil as it's universally a great supplement for people.

 

[beachathlete]

I've long believed that the cataract risk (however low in absolute terms) must be weighed heavily (because blind), and tends to make DNP an irrational choice for most, considering the multiple methods (that will even SAVE you money like eating less & moving more) to achieve fat loss/recomp that are available to someone who can stand to lose 30 lb of body fat.

In this case (obese female, likely) I cannot fathom relying on drugs if there's not only willingness but real action on the part of the dieter (that is commendable).

Initiating resistance training causes dramatic lipolytic and even anorexigenic responses (e.g., fat loss & muscle hypertrophy, sensitization to satiation & appetite regulation).

Some basic nutritional practices (increased protein and decreased processed food source intakes, kcal reduction) in combination with resistance training are such potent stimuli when one initiates these routines (especially for the first 1.5 years +/-, for a well-designed and -implemented training program) for the first time ever or anew after cessation, that it's irrational in my view to turn to drugs because:
- this risks a rebound effect upon drug cessation, that is demotivating
- recomping (simultaneously building muscle while losing body fat) occurs readily, and is inherently motivating
- obviates the importance of the cognitive aspects ( a learning effect, and developing innate discipline and physical work ethic) that are conducive to supporting long-term adherence to training and improved nutritional practices (that drug use aggravates).

So instead of DNP, what makes more sense is a protein supplement that tastes good (providing the BCAAs; e.g., whey, casein, egg white, etc.) & perhaps fish oil as it's universally a great supplement for people.

The mixed bag of meso - some helpful advice followed by people and their assumptions.

I didn't ask for dieting nor training advice and the content of my original post and participation in this board, likely understand the basics that for whatever reason you took a scenario in your head and turned into a novel. Appreciate the effort, I'm not new at this.

 

[beachathlete]

A lot of people are having success with glp drugs such as ozempic, trulicity, saxenda, etc. A few sources carry these products, one guy selling 4 trulicity pens right now for cheap. You should do some searching on here and read the many posts where members talk about their experience with each.

I'll do some research into this - first time I'm hearing of it as an option. Edit - after doing some searching here at least, I didn't see any member stories on dose or using trulicity (which I can buy locally).

I'll do other searches as well, but if you did have some direct information or user stories that you wouldn't mind sharing, that'd be awesome.

 

[T&H]

I'll do some research into this - first time I'm hearing of it as an option. Edit - after doing some searching here at least, I didn't see any member stories on dose or using trulicity (which I can buy locally).

I'll do other searches as well, but if you did have some direct information or user stories that you wouldn't mind sharing, that'd be awesome.

The extent of the posts are scattered, mainly throughout multiple sources threads. If you search ozempic, rybelsus, and semaglutide here, you'll have to look thru the posts but many guys saying it really helps reduce hunger. If you can get trulicity locally, definitely worth a try. There's even facebook groups for most of these products you can join and read up on.

 

[Megadick3000]

Stay away from DNP. Active lifestyle is the key. Encourage your woman to take up physically active hobbies. Ev3n better if you both do those hobbies together, not only does it benefit her health but also your relationship. Get her active, not just in the gym but in life in general, take up some hobbies together. Before she knows it shes gonna have lost that weight while having lots of fun doing it.

That said, look into the old “anarchy stack” which used green tea extract, ALA, ALCAR, and some other shit. Or a simple ECA stack? Dont know why you are gunning for the hardcore shit in someone who is obviously not hardcore about her goals.

Also albuterols realyly not that harsh, but its totally unnecessary given your SO isnt some hardcore fitness chick.

 

[WeightLossBurn]

DNP is fun in the winter. I never felt the tiredness on it and could still do cardio workout issue. But yes, waking up soaked was very strange.

T3 is good. It's a bit of a soaker as well. But easier to deal with.

Clean, I got nothing but good things to say.

Psyllium husk capsules and CLA. I would keep those in mind.

 

[Type-IIx]

Stay away from DNP. Active lifestyle is the key. Encourage your woman to take up physically active hobbies. Ev3n better if you both do those hobbies together, not only does it benefit her health but also your relationship. Get her active, not just in the gym but in life in general, take up some hobbies together. Before she knows it shes gonna have lost that weight while having lots of fun doing it.

That said, look into the old “anarchy stack” which used green tea extract, ALA, ALCAR, and some other shit. Or a simple ECA stack? Dont know why you are gunning for the hardcore shit in someone who is obviously not hardcore about her goals.

Also albuterols realyly not that harsh, but its totally unnecessary given your SO isnt some hardcore fitness chick.

Obese or at least overweight significant other with 30 lb of fat to lose... Few months in the gym... Buys a fucking protonophore and industrial dye for dynamite/poison for the SO... Asks for advice and puts those of us encouraging some restraint on blast because he's here for the DRUGZ.

Meso is a mixed bag alright.

 

[beachathlete]

Obese or at least overweight significant other with 30 lb of fat to lose... Few months in the gym... Buys a fucking protonophore and industrial dye for dynamite/poison for the SO... Asks for advice and puts those of us encouraging some restraint on blast because he's here for the DRUGZ.

Meso is a mixed bag alright.

We are all here for drugs you stupid fuck. You clearly lack basic reading comprehension skills. Like I said it’s not my first rodeo.

 

[Norse13]

A lot of people are having success with glp drugs such as ozempic, trulicity, saxenda, etc. A few sources carry these products, one guy selling 4 trulicity pens right now for cheap. You should do some searching on here and read the many posts where members talk about their experience with each.

Adding Tirzepatide to the mix, another similar drug that seems to receive a lot of attention lately. It is slightly different from Ozempic in that it targets 2 different receptors, thus theoretically having the potential to be more effective.

Unlike DNP, T3, Clen etc, the GLP drugs primarily reduces your hunger, simply making you eat less without feeling starved.

Sibutramine also reduce your hunger, but tolerance (at least for me) builds fast and after 2 weeks or so, I barely feel it. The mental feeling the first few days are "interesting".

I have used DNP myself a few times, it obviously works as it says on the tin. But the risk profile is not ideal for me. It wouldn't be my first Port of Call for my SO (although she has used it too).

Orlistat (Xenical) is sold OTC in many countries, often very expensive. I have no first-hand experience with that, nor have I found much user logs about it. It doesn't excite me much, but maybe worth having a quick look into.

I'll have a go at either Ozempic or Tirzepatide next month.

 

[scientifik]

Adding Tirzepatide to the mix, another similar drug that seems to receive a lot of attention lately. It is slightly different from Ozempic in that it targets 2 different receptors, thus theoretically having the potential to be more effective.

Unlike DNP, T3, Clen etc, the GLP drugs primarily reduces your hunger, simply making you eat less without feeling starved.

Sibutramine also reduce your hunger, but tolerance (at least for me) builds fast and after 2 weeks or so, I barely feel it. The mental feeling the first few days are "interesting".

I have used DNP myself a few times, it obviously works as it says on the tin. But the risk profile is not ideal for me. It wouldn't be my first Port of Call for my SO (although she has used it too).

Orlistat (Xenical) is sold OTC in many countries, often very expensive. I have no first-hand experience with that, nor have I found much user logs about it. It doesn't excite me much, but maybe worth having a quick look into.

I'll have a go at either Ozempic or Tirzepatide next month.

I don't know do you like stimulating insuline production by pancreas? Seems shit to me..

 

[Norse13]

I don't know do you like stimulating insuline production by pancreas? Seems shit to me..

Out of all the compounds that I listed, which one do you refer to with your brief, helpful comment?

 

[scientifik]

Out of all the compounds that I listed, which one do you refer to with your brief, helpful comment?

The glp-1 agonist stimulates the secretion of insuline

 

[Type-IIx]

I don't know do you like stimulating insuline production by pancreas? Seems shit to me..

What's bad about stimulating pancreatic insulin secretion in response to hyperglycemia per se (and decreasing this stimulation as blood glucose levels abate)? What about the GLP-1 agonists' additional mechanisms (suppressing glucagon secretion in a glucose-dependent manner without impairing the normal glucagon response to hypoglycemia; delaying gastric emptying, reducing the rate at which postprandial glucose appears in the circulation)? These are true insulin sensitizing and appetite attenuating agents.

 

[scientifik]

What's bad about stimulating pancreatic insulin secretion in response to hyperglycemia per se (and decreasing this stimulation as blood glucose levels abate)? What about the GLP-1 agonists' additional mechanisms (suppressing glucagon secretion in a glucose-dependent manner without impairing the normal glucagon response to hypoglycemia; delaying gastric emptying, reducing the rate at which postprandial glucose appears in the circulation)? These are true insulin sensitizing and appetite attenuating agents.

I will not mess around with stimulating drugs! For sure they are useful in pathologic case but in regular ones I don't think so.. but we know that who use it in normal condition is the least toxic thing that can do lol

 

[scientifik]

What's bad about stimulating pancreatic insulin secretion in response to hyperglycemia per se (and decreasing this stimulation as blood glucose levels abate)? What about the GLP-1 agonists' additional mechanisms (suppressing glucagon secretion in a glucose-dependent manner without impairing the normal glucagon response to hypoglycemia; delaying gastric emptying, reducing the rate at which postprandial glucose appears in the circulation)? These are true insulin sensitizing and appetite attenuating agents.

A good combo with would be metformin+glp1

 

[Type-IIx]

I will not mess around with stimulating drugs! For sure they are useful in pathologic case but in regular ones I don't think so.. but we know that who use it in normal condition is the least toxic thing that can do lol

I agree. I don't think it's indicated here as I've mentioned, but I'll go fuck myself because OP said so (probably ticked him off to refer to his SO as overweight/obese; despite it being a stone cold, indisputable fucking fact).