Insulin While Dieting?

[Mr. Masse]

I'm currently dieting, just to get into summer shape, don't compete.

I got my diet from a friend of mine that just won he overall at a local show here. Macronutrient break down looks something like this:

Protein
Egg Whites x 16 = 48gms
Tuna x 2 cans x = 50gms
Chicken x 21 oz = 120gms (approx)
Whey Protein = 110gms (morn & pw)

Carbs
Shredded Wheat x 3
Mini Rice Cakes x 1 bag
Brown Rice x 3 cup
Brocolli 100gms


I've reduced the rice down to 1.5 cups, and shredded wheat down to two from 3. The only other alteration I've made is to add the carb drink and whey protein to take in conjunction with my insulin.

**Carbo Force drink split between morning and post workout meal, along with whey.


Stats:
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 220lbs
BF: 10% (approx)

Cycle:
Test Enanthate - 200mg EOD
Equipoise - 100mg EOD
Naposim x 30mg ED
Femera 2.5mg x EOD
Jintropin x 6iu 5on, 2 off
Humalog x 10iu morning, 10iu pw.

I do cardio 4-6 days/ week, for 30 mins per session.

My body weight at the beginning of my cycle (mid May) was 218lbs and this morning 220lbs. My weight fluctuates between 220, and 225lbs day to day. I'm much more vascular (genetically vascular anyway), and my body composition has certainly improved. I'm using the insulin to enhance the GH, but I'm wondering if the carbs taken with insulin along with my regular daily carbs are preventing me from getting as lean as I would like to. If there is anyone here experienced with using GH and insulin while dieting, I'd love to hear from you.

Thanks.

 

[Mr. Masse]

anyone?

 

[bigkb]

Where is Einstein when you need em?

KB

 

[einstein1905]

slin while dieting is fine....it's all about timing your macro intake and eating the proper macro combos at the right times.
Recently, i helped someone set up slin during their pct (with clen as well). they netted 10lbs of LBM and lost 2% bf......during pct! The morning consisted of cardio and just protein/fat meals.....very little preworkout carbs, then pwo dextrose with the slin....I believe he was down to 80g of carbs/day....it's all about when, not how much.

 

[madman]

slin while dieting is fine....it's all about timing your macro intake and eating the proper macro combos at the right times.
Recently, i helped someone set up slin during their pct (with clen as well). they netted 10lbs of LBM and lost 2% bf......during pct! The morning consisted of cardio and just protein/fat meals.....very little preworkout carbs, then pwo dextrose with the slin....I believe he was down to 80g of carbs/day....it's all about when, not how much.

Impressive stats; I might talk to you about the regimen you recommended for PCT in about 8 weeks.

 

[Mr. Masse]

slin while dieting is fine....it's all about timing your macro intake and eating the proper macro combos at the right times.
Recently, i helped someone set up slin during their pct (with clen as well). they netted 10lbs of LBM and lost 2% bf......during pct! The morning consisted of cardio and just protein/fat meals.....very little preworkout carbs, then pwo dextrose with the slin....I believe he was down to 80g of carbs/day....it's all about when, not how much.

Thanks Einstein. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here though?

I'm doing morning cardio 3 x/wk on an empty stomach, and then have 40gms whey with about 50gms of carbs (Carbo Force drink) with 10iu's Humalog. My next meal (about an hour later) consists of 12 eggwhites, and 2 shredded wheat.

My first post workout meal consists of 60gms whey, and the other half of my carb drink with 10iu's Humalog.

I guess what I was asking in my original post was, since I'm getting about 100gms of HG carbs when taking my insulin, should I reduce the amount pf carbs in my other meals accordingly?

Thanks.

 

[einstein1905]

Thanks Einstein. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here though?

I'm doing morning cardio 3 x/wk on an empty stomach, and then have 40gms whey with about 50gms of carbs (Carbo Force drink) with 10iu's Humalog. My next meal (about an hour later) consists of 12 eggwhites, and 2 shredded wheat.

My first post workout meal consists of 60gms whey, and the other half of my carb drink with 10iu's Humalog.

I guess what I was asking in my original post was, since I'm getting about 100gms of HG carbs when taking my insulin, should I reduce the amount pf carbs in my other meals accordingly?

Thanks.

If you're trying to cut while using slin, I'd just stick to pwo slin......leave it out of the post cardio routine. The diet he followed had literally no carbs in the first half of the day.....that time was strictly dedicated to lipolysis. The small amount of pre workout carbs were to simply fuel the workout, and the only other carbs were pwo carbs to glycogen load via insulin. It's not a "keto diet" per se, but it's a similar concept in that absence of carbs requires the body to utilize other resources, and by taking in a surplus of protein, amino acids are abundant and muscle catabolism is minimal, so fat gets burned. Pwo carbs are clearly essential, but beyond that, you can basically eliminate them, provided your other macros are sufficient. Also critical is the amount of carbs pwo w/slin....too many= fat.....too few= well, don't take in too few. it's a fine line to walk, but you work downwards to find that limit. Also, no fat intake during the slin activity period. he also was doing IM insulin injections as opposed to subQ too. The clen clearly helped with the fatloss, but the fact that his results occurred during pct are amazing.

 

[Mr. Masse]

IMO you don't have enough carb after your PWO.

I'm presently doing Morning & PWO slin and eat 10g carb per Unit ...
keep us updated !

Byp00

I've purposely kept the carbs low for the pw slin shot. In the past I've gone about double, and just ended up getting fat. Dieting throws a whole other spin on things.

 

[bigkb]

This is the way that I use insulin... 20iu post-workout only, with a high protein low carb (dextrose) meal... only enough carbs to keep from becoming hypoglycemic. I use Humulin-R at 20iu as soon as I get home from the gym, then have my meal. I train at about 8:00pm also, so I don't want to eat many carbs anyway at that time of night. I'm not on a cycle right now. I'm just trying this to see if it helps me gain some lean mass by itself.

KB

 

[Patuba]

How many carbs were you taking PWO?

This is the way that I use insulin... 20iu post-workout only, with a high protein low carb (dextrose) meal... only enough carbs to keep from becoming hypoglycemic. I use Humulin-R at 20iu as soon as I get home from the gym, then have my meal. I train at about 8:00pm also, so I don't want to eat many carbs anyway at that time of night. I'm not on a cycle right now. I'm just trying this to see if it helps me gain some lean mass by itself.

KB

 

[N2_MUSCLE]

If you're trying to cut while using slin, I'd just stick to pwo slin......leave it out of the post cardio routine. The diet he followed had literally no carbs in the first half of the day.....that time was strictly dedicated to lipolysis. The small amount of pre workout carbs were to simply fuel the workout, and the only other carbs were pwo carbs to glycogen load via insulin. It's not a "keto diet" per se, but it's a similar concept in that absence of carbs requires the body to utilize other resources, and by taking in a surplus of protein, amino acids are abundant and muscle catabolism is minimal, so fat gets burned. Pwo carbs are clearly essential, but beyond that, you can basically eliminate them, provided your other macros are sufficient. Also critical is the amount of carbs pwo w/slin....too many= fat.....too few= well, don't take in too few. it's a fine line to walk, but you work downwards to find that limit. Also, no fat intake during the slin activity period. he also was doing IM insulin injections as opposed to subQ too. The clen clearly helped with the fatloss, but the fact that his results occurred during pct are amazing.

What's the advantage of IM injections -vs- subQ?

 

[einstein1905]

What's the advantage of IM injections -vs- subQ?

The closer the sctivity peak of insulin is to the end of your workout, the better. Going IM (with Humalog) greatly speeds up the activity onset and therefore peak of activity, so that your muscles experience far less time in a nutrient-deprived state

 

[bigkb]

How many carbs were you taking PWO?

My pwo meal is an EAS Myoplex mixed in 1 1/2 cups of skim milk, and a really BIG salad (alot of lettuce and 2 large tomatoes). The Myoplex has 23g of carbs in the form of maltodextrin, and 42g of protein (casein/whey blend). I don't want to eat any more carbs than that because I don't want to gain any fat. I actually want the meal to be higher in protein than carbs, taking in only enough carbs to control the hypo.

The hypoglycemia causes sudden hunger after about 30 min. I usually wait til then to eat, because after training, I'm never hungry. So when I wait til the hypo starts, I enjoy my food more... because then I'm suddenly starving I try to do the injection asap because after training you want to get the protein and carbs in you as quickly as possible, because that is when the muscles are starving for these nutrients.

KB