Interesting insights from experienced DNP user

[NYHomeboy]

I consider myself a pretty experienced DNP user, having done almost a dozen cycles and taken about 100g of DNP over the last 2.5 years. I am pretty knowledgeable about the stuff, based on 2nd hand learning from Conciliator and other people on this board. That being said, I wanted to compile a list of things that I found to be interesting about DNP.

1. There is a long-term tolerance buildup in addition to a short-term one.
Before, 400mg of DNP would make me feel extremely hot, lethargic, and hungry. I could also drop 5-8 lbs of DNP at 400mg/day on a sensible diet. Now, 400mg of DNP does none of these things... I am not nearly as hot, being able to now run this much in the summer, not nearly as lethargic, and can't drop weight as quickly (holding starting weight constant). I need about 800-900mg of DNP per day for me to feel these same effects. My body temp never seems to budge either no matter how much I take. I have yet to go above 900mg/day, but I have preloaded with 1100mg in one day.

2. Very high doses of DNP makes my eyes have a yellow tint. Not the cause of jaundice, but just the DNP itself

3. There are some excruciating side effects on DNP that I have yet to hear about in scientific research.

When I take DNP in the cold, my joints go through excruciating pain that I can only describe as extreme arthritis. Probably the most pain I have ever felt in my life... though it went away in a few hours. I have also heard of the complete loss of taste on DNP.

4. You can DEFINITELY build muscle on DNP while "on". I even think it's possible to build muscle on DNP naturally.

My strength went trough the roof w/ DNP + superdrol. I am also doing DC right now on 400mg DNP/day and a lot of cals, and my strength is increasing while my bodyfat levels are at bay or even decreasing (I'll be able to tell when the water subsides).

Interesting, no? Thoughts (esp from Conciliator or heavy DNP users)

 

[NYHomeboy]

Also just to bring up a point... If people can put on muscle while doing cardio, should it not be possible with DNP as well, as DNP is significantly less catabolic?

 

[bigbench]

I dont believe that it was pushed as fact that you can NOT gain muscle while on DNP. Of course anything is possible. But most taking DNP are trying to take maximize fat loss by taking as large of doses as possible to handle along with diet and increased cardio. Even if you removed the DNP from that equation, building muscle would be impossible (for the most part). Low doses of DNP can stave off gat gains while allowing the consumer to ingest more cals needed to gain muscle.
Now yes the consensus of the general rule to gaining muscle is that you need to take in more cals than you burn. While very true, gaining weight and gaining muscle are totally different things. A few things that you have to make sure of to build muscle while on DNP is hypertrophy. Make sure that you are stimulating muscles through rigurous, yet not excessive weight lifting. Anabolism, do everything you can to ensure that your body is in an anabolic state. Nitrogen retention (which coinsides with anabolism) to ensure that muscles are being fed 24/7 which is the time table that they are needing food. Keeping those three key factors in mind, you can gain muscle pretty much on anything

As for the build up, have you been using the same quality DNP? Also, is your metablic rate the same as it was when you began using it? (ie, what was your bodyfat % before you used DNP and when you last used it). Also, what time of the year was it? Also, diet wise, have you changed it up at all? Heat is a large factor to carb ingestion, maybe you are eating cleaner now and not "feeling" it as much

 

[OC Cartel]

3. There are some excruciating side effects on dnp that i have yet to hear about in scientific research. ?

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[juggernaught]

Thanks for sharing your experiances NY . We appreciate it.
A few questions for you
What is the longest length of time you have ran DNP with out a break?
Are you useing Crystal?
What are your pre/post Dnp stats?
I ran a long(for me) cycle a couple years ago and am thinking of taking it again when I hit a wall on my current cutter.
I also was able to increase my lean mass while decreasing BF while on DNP at the time I had chalked it up to muscle memory as I was returning from a 6+ month lay off from an injury.
Thanks Jugg

 

[ericraven2003]

I have used way too much DNP over the years.lol Recently I have used it on and off. 5-10day on and 10-14 off, for over 6 months. I have not built up any tolerence. If any thing, the leaner I have gotten(46lbs give or take of loss), I have had to use less. When I first started back in July, I took 400mg a day. Now I never take more than 200mg a day. I still have all the regular side(sweating, hard time sleeping,etc).I will say this. I have used the same supplier the whole time. So no tolerance for me at all.

 

[NYHomeboy]

OC,

I've experienced mild/dull pain on DNP from both pressure points (having a specific point in my ass hurt a lot when I wake up), as well as EXCRUCIATING pain in my ankle joints while on DNP... Not sure what to attribute it from regarding the DNP, but I am positive it was DNP that caused it as I accounted for other supps I might have been taking.

 

[ericraven2003]

OC,

I've experienced mild/dull pain on DNP from both pressure points (having a specific point in my ass hurt a lot when I wake up), as well as EXCRUCIATING pain in my ankle joints while on DNP... Not sure what to attribute it from regarding the DNP, but I am positive it was DNP that caused it as I accounted for other supps I might have been taking.

I have never have heard of that, but DNP did cause flare ups of hemmorids several times. Those suck too.

 

[BIGSNOR]

im on 1250 mgs per day of D's stuff....Id consider that heavy lol and im feeling fine. I'll get back on here later tonight and write a detailed post of my findings over the last three or four months of dnp use. i'm a competitive bodybuilder and consider my drug use to be extensive to say the least....

 

[juggernaught]

i experienced extreme muscle soreness while sleeping could not sleep at all

 

[NYHomeboy]

I have never have heard of that, but DNP did cause flare ups of hemmorids several times. Those suck too.

so weird... i used to get these all the time, as well as weird bowels while on DNP. Those stopped too about 3 cycles ago...

 

[BIGSNOR]

Ok, I've been dieting for awhile and my metabolism is pretty damn shot,. I was dieting with dave palumbo doing his keto style diet on my first go round with DNP.... got up to 600 and 700 in three weeks on P's DNP. Dropped ab out 15 pounds... but mind you i was doing an hour and half of cardio on top of my already relentless workouts, and thats on an 1800 calorie diet and every other day would cut out the fats and be on 1200 cals (yah try and tell me i havnt gone through hell.... im normally a 280 pound offseason bodybuilder, holding around 230 now).

Second round started one week after the first cycle...as I gained some weight back quick from cheating over thanksgiving (mainly water weight) should have taken a longer break I know. Used P's DNP again and was runnin it at 800 mgs, until I ran out....which didnt take long on those damn 100mg caps. Still keto dieting.

Third round just switched from keto style diet to low carbs, gained alot of weight back just from adding the carbs back into my body and letting it fill back out. This time ran D's crystal DNP for a month at 4 250mg. pills per day and just in the last week have bumped it to five.... i'll be done in two days.... weight has stayed almost constant but i know I look leaner also I get the HOT fits after I eat carbs which i didnt get at all on the keto. Energy was better on keto, as were the cravings.... Anyhoo, there is definitely a tolerance point where my body just refused to lose more weight it seems like.... had to go WAY high dose to see any difference, so im going to give it at least two weeks off before I try again HOPEFULLY at a lower and less expensive dose and see if it regains its magic.

Energy is pretty good even on 1250 mgs..... just bein out of breath BLOWS and i've been sick for the last three weeks with some kind of bronchial infection and just cant seem to kick it. No pain and only in the last week have my eyes started to yellow. Cravings are manaeageable if you just have some damn willpower..... i dont get how weak some people are with their diet on this shit.

Supps. Test 1000mg EW, Tren 500 mgs EW, EQ 600mg EW, HGH 3 IU ED, Clen 200mcg ED, Ephedrine two 25mg pills per day.. T3 75mcg ED. And all the extra vitamins minerals etc.

 

[ericraven2003]

Ok, I've been dieting for awhile and my metabolism is pretty damn shot,. I was dieting with dave palumbo doing his keto style diet on my first go round with DNP.... got up to 600 and 700 in three weeks on P's DNP. Dropped ab out 15 pounds... but mind you i was doing an hour and half of cardio on top of my already relentless workouts, and thats on an 1800 calorie diet and every other day would cut out the fats and be on 1200 cals (yah try and tell me i havnt gone through hell.... im normally a 280 pound offseason bodybuilder, holding around 230 now).

Second round started one week after the first cycle...as I gained some weight back quick from cheating over thanksgiving (mainly water weight) should have taken a longer break I know. Used P's DNP again and was runnin it at 800 mgs, until I ran out....which didnt take long on those damn 100mg caps. Still keto dieting.

Third round just switched from keto style diet to low carbs, gained alot of weight back just from adding the carbs back into my body and letting it fill back out. This time ran D's crystal DNP for a month at 4 250mg. pills per day and just in the last week have bumped it to five.... i'll be done in two days.... weight has stayed almost constant but i know I look leaner also I get the HOT fits after I eat carbs which i didnt get at all on the keto. Energy was better on keto, as were the cravings.... Anyhoo, there is definitely a tolerance point where my body just refused to lose more weight it seems like.... had to go WAY high dose to see any difference, so im going to give it at least two weeks off before I try again HOPEFULLY at a lower and less expensive dose and see if it regains its magic.

Energy is pretty good even on 1250 mgs..... just bein out of breath BLOWS and i've been sick for the last three weeks with some kind of bronchial infection and just cant seem to kick it. No pain and only in the last week have my eyes started to yellow. Cravings are manaeageable if you just have some damn willpower..... i dont get how weak some people are with their diet on this shit.

Supps. Test 1000mg EW, Tren 500 mgs EW, EQ 600mg EW, HGH 3 IU ED, Clen 200mcg ED, Ephedrine two 25mg pills per day.. T3 75mcg ED. And all the extra vitamins minerals etc.

I experienced recurrent bronchittis while on DNP.Had it on and off for 4 months. I kind of ruled it(DNP) out, but I am off now and not getting it back. Hmm. I wonder.

 

[NYHomeboy]

Ok, I've been dieting for awhile and my metabolism is pretty damn shot,. I was dieting with dave palumbo doing his keto style diet on my first go round with DNP.... got up to 600 and 700 in three weeks on P's DNP. Dropped ab out 15 pounds... but mind you i was doing an hour and half of cardio on top of my already relentless workouts, and thats on an 1800 calorie diet and every other day would cut out the fats and be on 1200 cals (yah try and tell me i havnt gone through hell.... im normally a 280 pound offseason bodybuilder, holding around 230 now).

Second round started one week after the first cycle...as I gained some weight back quick from cheating over thanksgiving (mainly water weight) should have taken a longer break I know. Used P's DNP again and was runnin it at 800 mgs, until I ran out....which didnt take long on those damn 100mg caps. Still keto dieting.

Third round just switched from keto style diet to low carbs, gained alot of weight back just from adding the carbs back into my body and letting it fill back out. This time ran D's crystal DNP for a month at 4 250mg. pills per day and just in the last week have bumped it to five.... i'll be done in two days.... weight has stayed almost constant but i know I look leaner also I get the HOT fits after I eat carbs which i didnt get at all on the keto. Energy was better on keto, as were the cravings.... Anyhoo, there is definitely a tolerance point where my body just refused to lose more weight it seems like.... had to go WAY high dose to see any difference, so im going to give it at least two weeks off before I try again HOPEFULLY at a lower and less expensive dose and see if it regains its magic.

Energy is pretty good even on 1250 mgs..... just bein out of breath BLOWS and i've been sick for the last three weeks with some kind of bronchial infection and just cant seem to kick it. No pain and only in the last week have my eyes started to yellow. Cravings are manaeageable if you just have some damn willpower..... i dont get how weak some people are with their diet on this shit.

Supps. Test 1000mg EW, Tren 500 mgs EW, EQ 600mg EW, HGH 3 IU ED, Clen 200mcg ED, Ephedrine two 25mg pills per day.. T3 75mcg ED. And all the extra vitamins minerals etc.

WOW 1250mg/day??? Is this powder? On 900mg/day powder, I didn't think I was gonna die, but felt really hot and shitty. Though I felt good when it was like 30 degrees outside

 

[Lizard King]

Wow, 800mg or P's stuff! I couldn't get over 600 and that was for 2 days! 200 - 400mg a day was about my tolerance and I did a 25 day cycle of it. Besides yellow man juice and the sweats didn't have any of the other sides you guys were experiencing. Slept pretty good, guess that was from being drained as I tried to keep my lifting steady as much as I could before my muscles fatigued.

 

[BIGSNOR]

i have no problems lifting at all...even at high doses im a friggin freight train once i get in the gym (besides nearly hyproventilating on every set from lack of breathe lol ) Only sides im feeling now are this damn cold and mild sweating.

Also on keto when i came off I didnt hold ANY water...so I looked my best while actually on the dnp. NOw that im on low carbs im hoping that im holding some water....we'll see in a few days i guess. Today's last day on.

Another thing, my last meal of the day consists of only protein right before bed and i still sweat like a mofo when im tryin to sleep..... just wake up once an hour to piss all night long and thats when my hunger is at its peak.

Dont really know what i like better powder or crystal. I know crystal doesnt have as much actual DNP per mg,.... but its still cheaper overall w the crystal. Shit on P's caps at 8 a day....thats almost a hundred dollars for a ten day cycle by the time you ramp up to 800.....

also on powder i dont even really know what hemmorroids look like and i wouldnt think i have them... but i do notice that every now and then my ass itched like no other from time to time.

 

[NYHomeboy]

Bigsnor, it's very interesting that you say this. I wanted to mention it as well... If I was not overeating, I was holding very little water and looked great on DNP. I have the following theory...

A high-carb diet makes one hold a lot of subcutaneous water. The very high consumption of carbs makes someone hold more water on DNP than anything else. It is the fact that most people on DNP eat like shit and hold a high amount of carbs b/c of DNP cravings that is the main reason that they hold water. Now, because DNP mainly works on fat and burns it very quickly, you still lose fat very rapidly despite looking bloated. I know Conc has mentioned many times that it is the heat effect of DNP that makes one retain water, but anecdotally, I think that the extreme bloating comes from the extreme caloric intake, and bloating because of the cooling effect is minimal compared to this.

 

[BIGSNOR]

well i know that when im on keto diet compared to carb diet I look dry and veiny all the time. carbs naturally are going to make one hold water....a carb holds what three times its weight in water I believe, therefore they are goin to hold more water with carbs in the diet regardless. I also know that seems to help retain water... same reason bodybuilders onstage sweat very little....one they doin diuretics....two they dont have much fat on their bodies that holds water to sweat out. I believe alot of people that do DNP are just big chunky asses NOT ALL! but some....and they are naturally more overweight and their bodies tend to hold quite a bit of water. add the dnp and the carbs and the bodies response to dealing with heat and you have someone that holds a fair amount of water. Im currently around 7 percent bodyfat and I dont think i'll lose much water when it clears my system in a few days.

 

[NYHomeboy]

also, not sure if i mentioned this before, but body temp was constant from 0mg DNP all the way up to 800-900mg/day.

 

[BIGSNOR]

yah bro my temp never moved. normally i was around 96......been dieting for along time