Intermittent Fasting - Links / Advice

[JoeBlob12]

Perhaps I should have termed it as weight loss rather than fat loss... Technically, you can eat candy bars exclusively and still lose weight. However, body composition would be affected due to a lack of macro balance.

Regardless, if macro and calorie balance is achieved in either of your two scenarios you outlined, then the difference between them is nill.

Also, all calories ARE the same. A calorie is a calorie. It's a unit measurement of energy. Macro structure can be different and bring different results... But a calorie is still a calorie.

I’m talking pure fat loss. You don’t think there’s an OPTIMAL diet out there? I just think there are things you can do (timing your meals, not mixing carbs with fat, working out fasted, etc) to optimize your diet and not just look at calories in vs calories out. There’s more to it than that when you look at hormonal responses to different foods.

 

[Eman]

I’m talking pure fat loss. You don’t think there’s an OPTIMAL diet out there? I just think there are things you can do (timing your meals, not mixing carbs with fat, working out fasted, etc) to optimize your diet and not just look at calories in vs calories out. There’s more to it than that when you look at hormonal responses to different foods.

I agree there's more to it than calories in/out... I didn't say there wasnt, but it's the most important thing. Macro structure and composition is a close second. Followed by nutrient timing, hydration and supplements, respectively.

The only optimal fat loss diet is the one you can stick to. I've already posted a study that concluded there is very little difference between all of the most popular diets... If you want to optimize further and squeeze out a few more ounces of fat loss results, go for it.

 

[JoeBlob12]

I agree there's more to it than calories in/out... I didn't say there wasnt, but it's the most important thing. Macro structure and composition is a close second. Followed by nutrient timing, hydration and supplements, respectively.

The only optimal fat loss diet is the one you can stick to. I've already posted a study that concluded there is very little difference between all of the most popular diets... If you want to optimize further and squeeze out a few more ounces of fat loss results, go for it.

That makes more sense. I just see people say all the time that ALL that matters is calories in vs calories out.

If I have zero problems sticking to a diet, I want to know EXACTLY what and when to eat to optimize my fat loss. I’ve never understood why you wouldn’t want to dig down and figure out the perfect diet. It makes a little more sense that the difference is nill and not everyone feels the need to optimize. Thanks for the info man

 

[Eman]

That makes more sense. I just see people say all the time that ALL that matters is calories in vs calories out.

I wish that were the case... I'd eat a lot more pancakes for breakfast.

 

[Demondosage]

Wow, that’s pretty closed minded and ignorant to say it’s a lazy fuck diet. The point is to strategically use your fast to benefit you. Working out at the end of your fast while growth hormone is high and utilizing insulin and hormone sensitivity to break your fast after your workout are 2 examples.

And really? If I went to a fitness event or physique competition NOBODY would say they intermittent fast? Hmmmm..

It's reality, all of the best physiques stay committed to hitting their meals, to waking up to cook breakfast, to packing their meals. Natural GH this or that, timing , blah blah blah, it's all hyped up nonsense.

Not trying to be an asshole man, but it's reality. About 3% of ppl that do intermittent fasting ever end up looking beyond average. Serge Nubret was one of them actually. The ONLY pro I've ever heard about that did it

 

[Demondosage]

I will say though, intermittent fasting does have merit to it if you need a change and have been eating several meals a day for years on end. But that's the only place I really see any real benefit to it

 

[Eman]

Intermittent fasting has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with "getting out of having to prepare meals". That is the most absurd diet observation I've ever heard.

 

[Demondosage]

Intermittent fasting has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with "getting out of having to prepare meals". That is the most absurd diet observation I've ever heard.

I'm speaking in the sense of most ppl I personally know who do it or have done it. Many ppl who are advocates of that diet are ppl who don't know any other boundaries outside of feeding times.

It does work for overweight ppl who simply need a starting point. From my observations though it's a diet that isn't fit for many who practice it. For example, if someone is overweight then many times they're already the type to skip breakfast, to never feel hungry in the mornings, because their metabolism is already like a slug. So in that case the best thing to do is throw breakfast their way!!

Look, I'm just calling it like I see it. The majority of ppl would benefit more from proper caloric intake, proper macros, and a slow and steady approach. When you try to tell someone to fit everything in a 6 or 8 hour feeding window they usually fuck it up or fall far too below 500-800 under BMR and after 4 days they cave in. They'll do it another few days and again, cave in

 

[Demondosage]

John meadows had a better approach to IF I think. He is an advocate of a 24 hour fast one day a week. To me it seems more sensible and a much better approach. Meadows is the fucking man when it comes to diet advice!!!

 

[Demondosage]

OP, look into the 24 hr fast once a week. Seriously man, definitely not trying to knock your thread, it's a good topic, all Im saying is to stick with what u realistically can do for awhile. And hey, if you can get by with IF then by all means.

I'm just saying that the IF bandwagon is much larger than results go to show for it with most ppl I've seen

 

[T-Lab]

I’m talking pure fat loss. You don’t think there’s an OPTIMAL diet out there? I just think there are things you can do (timing your meals, not mixing carbs with fat, working out fasted, etc) to optimize your diet and not just look at calories in vs calories out. There’s more to it than that when you look at hormonal responses to different foods.

Separating macros and fasted cardio have been proven to have no benefit over traditional methods.

 

[T-Lab]

Again. Bottom line. If it works for you and fits your life’s and that’s what makes you stick to your diet. Fine do it. Nobody cares. But it’s NOT superior for fat loss and it’s SUBOPTIMAL for muscle gain. Just know that going into it and don’t try to tout it as some superior method of dieting. It’s not.

 

[ergomaniac]

All of the best physique I ever saw were from ppl who got up to cook their eggs, they stayed up to eat so they wouldn't miss a meal, they fed their bodies regularly. Intermittent fasting has turned into the lazy fuck way to diet. I'm not saying it can't help get results when it's thrown in every once in awhile, but it's a lazy fuck way to diet, a lazy diet for the most part. Go to any fitness event or bodybuilding competition and see how many of them did intermittent fasting while prepping. That's right, NOBODY

your argument here is that a slow trickle of amino acids is superior to the peak and trough of eating 3 square meals, or less, a day.
even "staying up" as to not miss a "meal", or getting up early. some guys interrupt sleep for that extra "meal".
few people eat 6+ "meals" a day. its called grazing.
if your a pro, and you eat 350+ grams of protein daily, it might be different.

but seriously, I'm just too lazy too cook eggs

 

[ergomaniac]

I will say though, intermittent fasting does have merit to it if you need a change and have been eating several meals a day for years on end. But that's the only place I really see any real benefit to it

it has merit, if you want to change into a lazy fuck who doesn't want to cook their "meals".
just breaking em bro, .. eggs that is, for my first meal

 

[ergomaniac]

Right, I get that. Is this something people do long term? I haven’t researched it, outside of what I’ve heard...which is pretty much what you’ve stated.

it is something people do long term. fasting, intermittently or otherwise has benefits that extend beyond body composition and gainz.
and like everything else in life, it can be cycled. yin, yang. feast, famine. and and always, somewhere in-between.

 

[ergomaniac]

What are some good sources for information on Intermittent Fasting?

I’m trying to make some changes and I’m curious if this is something that could be a long term kind of deal.

If you have some good advice for someone just getting started, post up.

Cheers!

sources and studies are out there.
advice would be to first try skipping breakfast. break the fast later.
i drink black coffee in the morning. a couple hours later my first meal is low fat, high protein. 1 lb chicken breast with some veggies. i work out in between and then have a full dinner. i generally don't eat again before bed, maybe a whey/casein shake.
over the years i found this works best for me and my goals.

 

[T-Lab]

it is something people do long term. fasting, intermittently or otherwise has benefits that extend beyond body composition and gainz.
and like everything else in life, it can be cycled. yin, yang. feast, famine. and and always, somewhere in-between.

Studies have shown zero advantage in body composition over other dieting methods.

 

[T-Lab]

It’s not magic. It’s not an advantage. It’s not superior to to other diets. It’s simply an option that works when executed properly. That’s it. So if it works for you. Cool. You aren’t doing anything special. Just differently.

 

[ergomaniac]

it is something people do long term. fasting, intermittently or otherwise has benefits that extend beyond body composition and gainz.
and like everything else in life, it can be cycled. yin, yang. feast, famine. and and always, somewhere in-between.

 

[ergomaniac]

Studies have shown zero advantage in body composition over other dieting methods.

eat as many "meals" as you like