bonhamsurf
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Hello all. I'm a new member who lives in Hawaii and wanted to introduce myself and also ask a few questions. If any of my questions are out of line I'm sure a moderator will let me know. I use forums for many things (cars, computers, programming, etc) so am very use to all types of forums.
A (hopefully) quick introduction. I'm 43 years old, 5'8" to 5'9" and up have lived a life of extreme sports/workouts,etc. I've been a pro-wakeboarder, pro-mma fighter, broken almost every type of bone (not every bone, but almost every kind of bone) in my body, but never stopped. When I was in my mid-to late thirties, I weighed around 165lbs and honestly had the body of a bowflex commercial. Totally shredded, ripped, all of the above, and I never took anything except Creatine, Beta-Alanine, and Glucosamine. None of which I took a ton of, I just hit the gym as hard as I could and ran up hills, hiked, used 30pound anchor chains when I did dips, cross fit my ass off, 5 days a week for 14 years straight. So I swear I'm not bragging, I'm saying these things for information to achieve the best helpful answer from those with experience to my questions to follow. I simply was shredded and stayed around 6-8% bodyfat until I was 38 years old and looked 30.
But then at age 39 I had to have bone surgery in my shoulder from an old wakeboarding accident that had built up a spur in my shoulder bone and they had to go in shave off the bone spur (a calcium build up just like arthritis) which took me out of the gym and into physical therapy for almost a year, which by the time I was done, I was now into my 40's and of course, since I went from 5-6 days a week of very intense workouts (a combo of heavy weights plus crossfit style) to nothing, and also turning 40, my body changed, and fast. At 41 they let me start working out again, and I had to do it slowly, so I'd lie on the bench and in my right hand (my surgery was on my right shoulder) I had to start off with a 5lb dumbell to bench (before the surgery I was used to using 90-100lb dumbbells and could push 315 on a flat bar 5 full times, I know that's not a lot of weight for some, but I was 165lbs, and I never wanted to be huge, I liked be ripped and did a lot of MMA).
Anyways, after 2 years of slowly working my way back up, I got back to being able to lift/pullups/dips/etc at least 90-95% of what I could do before my surgery. And I was running 5 days a week, hard. I live in Hawai'i and have some intense hills and hikes to do for cardio. My favorite was a hike called "Kokohead" which was a series of 1005 old railroad ties that started as a slight incline, and by the the time you got to the top, it was almost a 40 degree incline. It was brutal, and I loved it, and did it 3 times a week, usually 2 times back to back. BUT, no matter how much I ran or how much I hiked or worked out, I could not get rid of the roll of fat I gained during my shoulder surgery and the after recovery. I would even do the Kokohead with one of my anchor chains (they weighed around 30 pounds, made of anchor links with a strength/pull limit of 90,000 pounds).
So, after awhile, I started getting very, very bad back pains. I had also started a business on the side that required extreme lifting of heavy machines to events around the island. The back pain got so bad, I couldn't get out of bed without rocking myself from side to side for a few minutes. I went to my doctor and he found 7 huge knots in my back and had to inject them with saline and Novocaine, (the first time he did, I feinted and woke up completely disoriented). The doctor said I had so much pain built up in the knots when he injected me and released the tension in them, I feinted as a result of my body going into shock as a method of reaction to releasing the pain.) About 3 months later he had to do it again, but this time I didn't feint. However, I had started going to get massages from physical therapists, and all of them told me the right side of my back was considerably larger than the left side of my back.
Well, last September one of my employees had pneumonia, and gave it to me, so I went in for x-rays, and yes, I had pneumonia, and also discovered that I had scoliosis. My lower back was scrunched and curved to the right. (My mother has scoliosis). I don't have the type that makes you hunch over, but it's definitely scoliosis, and needed treatment. So, back to physical therapy, which I've been doing twice a week since November, so about 8 months. But, I'm 185 pounds and it kills me. I can't stand feeling this way. I do not drink any alcohol nor do any drugs. Exercise was my source of stress reduction, endorphin release, happiness, escape work, etc.
Like I said, I hope it was going to be a short introduction, but I knew it wasn't. So, now I'm allowed to start working out again, but carefully. Which I have been. I started running again (always uphill as much as possible, never flat if I could) and it didn't hurt. I went on a 5 mile hike 2 days ago, that ascended 1880 feet (I use my phone for recording running times, altitude, etc). And I felt great after. Today I ran a good portion of one of my old runs, which is uphill at an increasing incline, and then to one of the outdoor workout center and did some pullups, pushups, incline leg raises, but as soon as I felt any pain, I'd stop the exercise and not do anymore, I'd move on to another one. I was amazed that I could only do 5 pullups (biceps) when I used to do 20 with a 25 pound weight hanging off me. That's how quickly and how much muscle I've lost in the past 9-10 months since my back started hurting.
So, I have a friend I know who occasionally uses some steroids. (Moderators please let me know if I'm entering into forbidden area of discussion). Anyways, I tell him that I want to get ripped and I want to lose the fat, but I have to be careful. Plus I've never, not once, ever used them. So he has been giving me shots twice a week, usually in different areas like one shoulder one day, and the other shoulder another day, sometimes at the top of my butt. He normally has been giving me .7ml of SU-350 Testosterone 350 and .3ml of Primabolan 200. But once in awhile he does .5ml SU-350 Testosterone Mix, and then does like .02 Eq-200 (Equipoise and .03 Primabolan.) Starting this week though, he wants me to just start using a blend (Either SU-400 or EQ-400, I forget which letters are before the 400) plus the Primabolin, but still never over 1ml and only twice a week, and never more than a few weeks at at time. He's never been one to over due it and his longest run of using steroids was around 8-12 weeks, and doesn't want me to ever go longer.
So, my questions basically are does anyone have any reaction/suggestions to what I'm trying? Again, I don't want to be big, but I do want to get my muscle back, and going into my mid forties, my testosterone is declining, and I'm basically starting over and it's been over almost 14 months since I've been able to really workout like I did for 14+ years. I have no intentions, nor will I go back in the gym and push any limits. Like with my shoulder recovery, I had the patience to start off with 5 pound dumbbells and work my way up over 2 years. My back injury was not from the gym, it was from moving large machinery across grassy areas for events for a business I did. Or coolers that weighed 300-400 pounds of ice and I would just be stupid then, but had time constraints with the event to get setup, and pushed my back to its limit at these events. So, when now that I'm working out again, I'm starting off and plan to keep my workouts using light weights and slowly build to medium weights (40-50 pound dumbell presses) and never go higher. I have the patience and will to do so, as I've done it before.
Again, my questions are, am
1. I doing the right thing trying the steriods on a short-term basis?
2. If I chose to use them for short periods of time like only 8 weeks on, then 10+ weeks off is this safe and reasonable. I want to stay on the LOW side of usage, and am not trying to get big. My workouts for the rest of my life will be low to mid weight and high reps. No more heavy weights.
3. Any input on the amounts and types my friend is suggesting I use?
4. Maybe an odd question, but I'm curious, if I use them and don't work out, will I just get fatter?
For whoever reads this novel in full and replies with answers that are honest and come from experience, I am very, very grateful and will pay it forward (my philosophy in life is to ALWAYS be a giver, not a taker, and to Pay It Forward, if you haven't seen the movie, you should.)
Thank you!
A (hopefully) quick introduction. I'm 43 years old, 5'8" to 5'9" and up have lived a life of extreme sports/workouts,etc. I've been a pro-wakeboarder, pro-mma fighter, broken almost every type of bone (not every bone, but almost every kind of bone) in my body, but never stopped. When I was in my mid-to late thirties, I weighed around 165lbs and honestly had the body of a bowflex commercial. Totally shredded, ripped, all of the above, and I never took anything except Creatine, Beta-Alanine, and Glucosamine. None of which I took a ton of, I just hit the gym as hard as I could and ran up hills, hiked, used 30pound anchor chains when I did dips, cross fit my ass off, 5 days a week for 14 years straight. So I swear I'm not bragging, I'm saying these things for information to achieve the best helpful answer from those with experience to my questions to follow. I simply was shredded and stayed around 6-8% bodyfat until I was 38 years old and looked 30.
But then at age 39 I had to have bone surgery in my shoulder from an old wakeboarding accident that had built up a spur in my shoulder bone and they had to go in shave off the bone spur (a calcium build up just like arthritis) which took me out of the gym and into physical therapy for almost a year, which by the time I was done, I was now into my 40's and of course, since I went from 5-6 days a week of very intense workouts (a combo of heavy weights plus crossfit style) to nothing, and also turning 40, my body changed, and fast. At 41 they let me start working out again, and I had to do it slowly, so I'd lie on the bench and in my right hand (my surgery was on my right shoulder) I had to start off with a 5lb dumbell to bench (before the surgery I was used to using 90-100lb dumbbells and could push 315 on a flat bar 5 full times, I know that's not a lot of weight for some, but I was 165lbs, and I never wanted to be huge, I liked be ripped and did a lot of MMA).
Anyways, after 2 years of slowly working my way back up, I got back to being able to lift/pullups/dips/etc at least 90-95% of what I could do before my surgery. And I was running 5 days a week, hard. I live in Hawai'i and have some intense hills and hikes to do for cardio. My favorite was a hike called "Kokohead" which was a series of 1005 old railroad ties that started as a slight incline, and by the the time you got to the top, it was almost a 40 degree incline. It was brutal, and I loved it, and did it 3 times a week, usually 2 times back to back. BUT, no matter how much I ran or how much I hiked or worked out, I could not get rid of the roll of fat I gained during my shoulder surgery and the after recovery. I would even do the Kokohead with one of my anchor chains (they weighed around 30 pounds, made of anchor links with a strength/pull limit of 90,000 pounds).
So, after awhile, I started getting very, very bad back pains. I had also started a business on the side that required extreme lifting of heavy machines to events around the island. The back pain got so bad, I couldn't get out of bed without rocking myself from side to side for a few minutes. I went to my doctor and he found 7 huge knots in my back and had to inject them with saline and Novocaine, (the first time he did, I feinted and woke up completely disoriented). The doctor said I had so much pain built up in the knots when he injected me and released the tension in them, I feinted as a result of my body going into shock as a method of reaction to releasing the pain.) About 3 months later he had to do it again, but this time I didn't feint. However, I had started going to get massages from physical therapists, and all of them told me the right side of my back was considerably larger than the left side of my back.
Well, last September one of my employees had pneumonia, and gave it to me, so I went in for x-rays, and yes, I had pneumonia, and also discovered that I had scoliosis. My lower back was scrunched and curved to the right. (My mother has scoliosis). I don't have the type that makes you hunch over, but it's definitely scoliosis, and needed treatment. So, back to physical therapy, which I've been doing twice a week since November, so about 8 months. But, I'm 185 pounds and it kills me. I can't stand feeling this way. I do not drink any alcohol nor do any drugs. Exercise was my source of stress reduction, endorphin release, happiness, escape work, etc.
Like I said, I hope it was going to be a short introduction, but I knew it wasn't. So, now I'm allowed to start working out again, but carefully. Which I have been. I started running again (always uphill as much as possible, never flat if I could) and it didn't hurt. I went on a 5 mile hike 2 days ago, that ascended 1880 feet (I use my phone for recording running times, altitude, etc). And I felt great after. Today I ran a good portion of one of my old runs, which is uphill at an increasing incline, and then to one of the outdoor workout center and did some pullups, pushups, incline leg raises, but as soon as I felt any pain, I'd stop the exercise and not do anymore, I'd move on to another one. I was amazed that I could only do 5 pullups (biceps) when I used to do 20 with a 25 pound weight hanging off me. That's how quickly and how much muscle I've lost in the past 9-10 months since my back started hurting.
So, I have a friend I know who occasionally uses some steroids. (Moderators please let me know if I'm entering into forbidden area of discussion). Anyways, I tell him that I want to get ripped and I want to lose the fat, but I have to be careful. Plus I've never, not once, ever used them. So he has been giving me shots twice a week, usually in different areas like one shoulder one day, and the other shoulder another day, sometimes at the top of my butt. He normally has been giving me .7ml of SU-350 Testosterone 350 and .3ml of Primabolan 200. But once in awhile he does .5ml SU-350 Testosterone Mix, and then does like .02 Eq-200 (Equipoise and .03 Primabolan.) Starting this week though, he wants me to just start using a blend (Either SU-400 or EQ-400, I forget which letters are before the 400) plus the Primabolin, but still never over 1ml and only twice a week, and never more than a few weeks at at time. He's never been one to over due it and his longest run of using steroids was around 8-12 weeks, and doesn't want me to ever go longer.
So, my questions basically are does anyone have any reaction/suggestions to what I'm trying? Again, I don't want to be big, but I do want to get my muscle back, and going into my mid forties, my testosterone is declining, and I'm basically starting over and it's been over almost 14 months since I've been able to really workout like I did for 14+ years. I have no intentions, nor will I go back in the gym and push any limits. Like with my shoulder recovery, I had the patience to start off with 5 pound dumbbells and work my way up over 2 years. My back injury was not from the gym, it was from moving large machinery across grassy areas for events for a business I did. Or coolers that weighed 300-400 pounds of ice and I would just be stupid then, but had time constraints with the event to get setup, and pushed my back to its limit at these events. So, when now that I'm working out again, I'm starting off and plan to keep my workouts using light weights and slowly build to medium weights (40-50 pound dumbell presses) and never go higher. I have the patience and will to do so, as I've done it before.
Again, my questions are, am
1. I doing the right thing trying the steriods on a short-term basis?
2. If I chose to use them for short periods of time like only 8 weeks on, then 10+ weeks off is this safe and reasonable. I want to stay on the LOW side of usage, and am not trying to get big. My workouts for the rest of my life will be low to mid weight and high reps. No more heavy weights.
3. Any input on the amounts and types my friend is suggesting I use?
4. Maybe an odd question, but I'm curious, if I use them and don't work out, will I just get fatter?
For whoever reads this novel in full and replies with answers that are honest and come from experience, I am very, very grateful and will pay it forward (my philosophy in life is to ALWAYS be a giver, not a taker, and to Pay It Forward, if you haven't seen the movie, you should.)
Thank you!
