Iraqi terror

[greyowl]

What happened to all the chemical and bio weapons that Iraq claimed to the UN weapons inspectors back in the early 90s? Id he had destroyed them, he would have declared that to the UN in order to get the weapons inspectors off his ass.

Bob, Bush sent an army of inspectors into Iraq after the invasion with specific instructions to uncover anything that could be linked to biochemical weapons. They have combed every foot of Iraq and even they admit they have found nothing. You have virtually no evidence that Iraq posed the slightest risk to the U.S. All that remains is for you to wake up and realize that the draft-dodger president is a total fraud.

 

[Bob Smith]

Draft dodger, eh? I suppose you liked Clinton?

I highly doubt that the inspectors "have combed every inch" of a country that is 435,000 sq km. Whether or not the inspectors find anything really doesnt bother me. Saddam had (fact) chemical and bio weapons stockpiles. Where are they? They could still be hidden somewhere in Iraq or they could be in an ally nation of Saddam.

 

[Rod]

Greyowl, it will take me a little time to respond to your counterargument. I am currently drunk. I hope that I didn't offend you in one of my earlier posts. I was just responding to rhetoric with rhetoric. I didn't mean any disrespect.

 

[Hogg]

Greyowl, I think it was obvious that you had a wealth of information behind your words in original post but omitted them for sake of brevity. I never doubted that you had a smorgasbord of supporting arguments and was elated when I saw your response to support your initial thread. Good show

 

[Rod]

Once again F***You Hogg. But of cource I still love you.

 

[Hogg]

Once again F***You Hogg. But of cource I still love you.

LOL,,,,,I agreed with you a couple of times today too....are you jealous???

 

[greyowl]

Where's the beef?

Draft dodger, eh? I suppose you liked Clinton?

I highly doubt that the inspectors "have combed every inch" of a country that is 435,000 sq km. Whether or not the inspectors find anything really doesnt bother me. Saddam had (fact) chemical and bio weapons stockpiles. Where are they? They could still be hidden somewhere in Iraq or they could be in an ally nation of Saddam.

What ally nation? Uruguay?

You continue to maintain that Sadam had stockpiled biochemical weapons but you have not cited a single shred of evidence to support your contention, and I have cited several points that support my argument that he had none. Accoridng to any rule of discourse that I am aware of, this means that I am right and that you are wrong. End of debate.

 

[Rod]

Does anyone know how to get back your writings in MS word after close the application when saying that you don't want to save any changes? Or is it gone like I suspect it is?

 

[Rod]

LOL,,,,,I agreed with you a couple of times today too....are you jealous???

I have must have missed those? I forget to look back at old threads that I have replied to.

 

[chris gordon]

ok most of us agree about the problems....what are some viable solutions? and no voting a democrat isnt anywhere close to being the right thing.

 

[Hogg]

ok most of us agree about the problems....what are some viable solutions? and no voting a democrat isnt anywhere close to being the right thing.

Revolution is not an answer as the bloodshed and potential power vacuum could land us worse off than we are.

I think, honestly, that it takes intelligent, like-minded people banding together and attempting to influence the country's direction......so the solution is simple, become a freemason.

 

[Rod]

"I think, honestly, that it takes intelligent, like-minded people banding together and attempting to influence the country's direction"

I couldn't agree with this more. That is why am against criticizing Bush in a public forum during an election year. Some may take your argument against Bushs policies to be "anti-Bush" for next election. We always need keep in mind that we are only choosing among the available alternatives in a general election. I try to guard my criticism of my preferred candidate in an election year so that someone will not take it incorrectly.

 

[Mark Kerr]

For all of you history buffs, there is NO difference between Iraq of today and post-war Germany. Post-War countries are always riddled with anarchy, chaos and warfare. Some countries that were Soviet-run are STILL like that today, more than a decade after the fall of the Soviet Union.

I agree we should not be there, because I think Democracy will never work in the Middle East. To have a Democracy, there must at least be an underlying assumption of the equality of people. That doesnt exist in the Middle East. A Coalition of US and European Forces would not have done better.

Greyowl, you do make good points, but lets not start America bashing. When Canada does something constructive for this planet or even starts to contribute 1% of food/clothing/money that the United States does, then you can run around waving the Maple Leaf. (Nothing against you personally, I just wont stand for blanket statements about Americans)

Also, I am a conservative, but I am no Bush-Lover. I will not vote for him in the next election. Between the war in Iraq, his destruction of my fundamental rights, and his abusing the 9/11 incident to push his agenda, I have had it about up to my head with Bush.

Also, as bad as Iraq is now, it is still better now then it was under Saddam. Several studies of their economy, their living standards and a poll of Iraqs proves this. Also, as far as this war being for oil, I dont think so. Our prices have gone up, not down.

 

[Rod]

"ok most of us agree about the problems....what are some viable solutions? and no voting a democrat isnt anywhere close to being the right thing."

Chris, I like your common sense.

 

[Mark Kerr]

I might vote for Kerry, even though I am a conservative. Sure, Kerry may rape my wallet, but at least he wont rape my Constitution. Also, Kerry is upfront about his rape, so at least he has the honor of wearing a jimmy-hat!

P.S. I am really not voting for Kerry, I was just making a point. I vote straight-ticket Libertarian in every election.

 

[greyowl]

"When Canada does something constructive for this planet or even starts to contribute 1% of food/clothing/money that the United States does, then you can run around waving the Maple Leaf."

I'm not going to rise to this bait because this is not about the U.S.A. vs. Canada, it's about lies vs. truth. I'm also no huge fan of Canada's foreign policy (although it's approach to the invasion of Iraq was perfect). Nonetheless, on a per capita basis, please note that on a per capita basis, Canada contributes much more generously than the U.S. In fact, its contribution of untied foreign aide is 15% of the U.S. total, even though Canada's population is only 10% of the U.S.'s.

Also, please note that you are wrong about the current status of Iraq's economy andving standards. The standard of living in Iraq has gone down as a result of the war, not up. I would be interested in hearing you cite a single study which indicates otherwise.

 

[Rod]

"When Canada does something constructive for this planet or even starts to contribute 1% of food/clothing/money that the United States does, then you can run around waving the Maple Leaf."

Did you ever see the Simpsons where all the kids in the class were dressed up as UN members? Ralph Wiggums was the ambassador from Canada. When all the other kids were beating the hell out of each other, Ralph stood safely on the sidelines singing "Oh Canada". Now that is funny! Poor old irrelevant, silly Ralph singing "Oh Canada" while safely on the sidelines.

In fair disclosure I must admit that after the school bus runs off the bridge it somewhat turns into "Lord Of the Flies".

Yet, it is still very funny!!

 

[Rod]

P.S. I am really not voting for Kerry, I was just making a point. I vote straight-ticket Libertarian in every election.[/QUOTE]

Mark as a fellow libertarian (notice that I don't capitalize my L), I wonder who first introduced you to libritarianism? Friedman, Hayek, Rothbard, Murray, Posner or someone else? Just curious since I am libertarian too.

 

[Mark Kerr]

Nonetheless, on a per capita basis, please note that on a per capita basis, Canada contributes much more generously than the U.S. In fact, its contribution of untied foreign aide is 15% of the U.S. total, even though Canada's population is only 10% of the U.S.'s.

That may be true, but that statistic does not include the amount we give through the United Nations (which is seperate than direct foreign aide). Also, you must include the fact Canada CAN give more directly because they bring in a larger precentage of taxes.

However, I do admit Canada gives more than I thought they did. I was uneducated and uninformed, you have shown me that.

I dont want this to be Canada vs. U.S. either, but even if I disagree with many of Canada's policies, I DONT come on here and start insulting Canadians, as you did with Americans.

Also, please note that you are wrong about the current status of Iraq's economy andving standards. The standard of living in Iraq has gone down as a result of the war, not up. I would be interested in hearing you cite a single study which indicates otherwise.

The poll was taken by Zogby, and in it a majority of Iraq's (I think 54% or so) said their lives are better now than under Saddam's rule.

 

[Mark Kerr]

Mark as a fellow libertarian (notice that I don't capitalize my L), I wonder who first introduced you to libritarianism? Friedman, Hayek, Rothbard, Murray, Posner or someone else? Just curious since I am libertarian too.

Actually, nobody did. I was very involved in politics in high-school, and I didnt quite like the Republican or the Democrats view. I did some research, came across the Libertarian Party and really liked their views.

www.libertarian.org