Iraqi terror

[thick]

i have 2 facts. saddam offered 100k to all families of suicide bombers.


2. Iraq voted 99.9% to keep saddam in power lmao

 

[dolfe1]

Wonder what unimaginable death the .1% that didn't vote for him suffered.

 

[greyowl]

Wonder what unimaginable death the .1% that didn't vote for him suffered.

They were sentenced to a month in Benton, Arkansas. None survived.

 

[Bob Smith]

They were sentenced to a month in Benton, Arkansas. None survived.

lol!

 

[oldtimer]

i have 2 facts. saddam offered 100k to all families of suicide bombers.


2. Iraq voted 99.9% to keep saddam in power lmao

Is this reason enough?

I believe that the west should leave the mid east alone. Back in 1990 (first gulf war), the gulf governments asked the US for help against Iraq, i was one of the few people who were so against this decision coz i knew what was coming. The west came and liberated Kuwait (don't get me wrong, we're grateful and it was indeed a nobel deed), but i preferred to fight the fight back then, than have the west come to this region and stay for good. The governments in here were chickens, they were so into their fancy lives that they didn't want to lose their chairs, and we - the people - had to pay. All problems happened after the gulf war, Al-Qaeda attacked NY because of it (US bases in Saudi Arabia), the US attacked Iraq because of it, Israel has more power than ever because of it.

-OT

 

[greyowl]

Is this reason enough?

I believe that the west should leave the mid east alone. Back in 1990 (first gulf war), the gulf governments asked the US for help against Iraq, i was one of the few people who were so against this decision coz i knew what was coming. The west came and liberated Kuwait (don't get me wrong, we're grateful and it was indeed a nobel deed), but i preferred to fight the fight back then, than have the west come to this region and stay for good. The governments in here were chickens, they were so into their fancy lives that they didn't want to lose their chairs, and we - the people - had to pay. All problems happened after the gulf war, Al-Qaeda attacked NY because of it (US bases in Saudi Arabia), the US attacked Iraq because of it, Israel has more power than ever because of it.

-OT

The only two wars in the middle east that I supported:

Israel's war of independance (in the late 1940s)
The invasion of Afghanistan to overthrow the taliban and cripple El Queida.

 

[stevemac]

I's truly amazing to me that people still stand behind the Iraq war after all the lies that have seen the light. To call the iraqi people ungrateful is a little bewildering to me, no one asked the USA to invade Iraq and kill thousands of people. Americans have to realize that in these countries they don't think like the west and you can't impose your beliefs on what a good society is. I find it strange wehn i hear people refer to the iraq war and call it the war on terrorism. There are no links between bin laden and saddam a all for one, bin ladens troops almost went to war with saddam but saudi arabia choose the help of the US instead, which is the main reason for bin laden dispising the USA.

As for canada's foreign policy, I think it is perfect. we are willing to fight battles we belive in, no you wont see canada supporting the US in wars like Iraq or vietnam, but we were there for the first gulf war and the war in afghanistan(where the true war on terrorism is). people have to realize that canada has the population of california, we do as much as we can. we have peacekeepers all over the world.

I feel sorry for a lot of american citazens now because I don't think I ever recalled the USA being so hated as it is now. you're looked at like an evil empire bent on word domination. America should help the people in it's own country first before sacrificing lives and killing others in other countries.

 

[greyowl]

I's truly amazing to me that people still stand behind the Iraq war after all the lies that have seen the light. To call the iraqi people ungrateful is a little bewildering to me, no one asked the USA to invade Iraq and kill thousands of people. Americans have to realize that in these countries they don't think like the west and you can't impose your beliefs on what a good society is. I find it strange wehn i hear people refer to the iraq war and call it the war on terrorism. There are no links between bin laden and saddam a all for one, bin ladens troops almost went to war with saddam but saudi arabia choose the help of the US instead, which is the main reason for bin laden dispising the USA.

As for canada's foreign policy, I think it is perfect. we are willing to fight battles we belive in, no you wont see canada supporting the US in wars like Iraq or vietnam, but we were there for the first gulf war and the war in afghanistan(where the true war on terrorism is). people have to realize that canada has the population of california, we do as much as we can. we have peacekeepers all over the world.

I feel sorry for a lot of american citazens now because I don't think I ever recalled the USA being so hated as it is now. you're looked at like an evil empire bent on word domination. America should help the people in it's own country first before sacrificing lives and killing others in other countries.

You hit the nail right on the head brother!

 

[oldtimer]

bin ladens troops almost went to war with saddam but saudi arabia choose the help of the US instead, which is the main reason for bin laden dispising the USA.

You're the first western i see who knows this fact, finally, the message is received by our peers - the people - on the other side of the planet.

 

[Bob Smith]

As much as I think the Canadian govt is a bunch of sissies, I would love to see US foreign policy move closer to that of our northern neighbor. For the most part, you guys stay out of everything. The US should learn to stay out of things that really dont concern us.

OT, hows things goin over your way? You make the lil woman get a job yet?

 

[thick]

two more facts 1. The US has always been hated. Always has and always will.
2. Iraq is a terrorist nation. Al queda or wtf ever isnt the only terrorists. Who cares if Saddam is associated with Bin Laden or not. Is Bin Laden and his group the only terrorists. Not disagreeing with your other points and I would still rather us let the mideast kill themselves

 

[stevemac]

depends on what your definition of a terrorist nation is, if you believe that is enough reason to invade another country that is a different matter. you know there are plenty of terrorist nations in the mideast and asia. I also don't want people to take this too personal but if your definition of terrorism is "killing and targeting of civilians" then the USA could be considered a terrorist nation. If you do your research you will see that the USA carpet bombed german cities,vietnam civilians just to demoralize the country. I also see hiroshima and nagasaki as the worst terrorism the world has ever seen. I'm not being anti american im just stating facts.

 

[oldtimer]

OT, hows things goin over your way? You make the lil woman get a job yet?

Ohhhhhh yyyeeeeaaahhhhhh .. i'm living the best time of my life. My wife is a real gem.

Dude, you should get married, you'll know what i mean.

-OT

 

[Hogg]

Ohhhhhh yyyeeeeaaahhhhhh .. i'm living the best time of my life. My wife is a real gem.

Dude, you should get married, you'll know what i mean.

-OT

Good to see you around OT.

 

[oldtimer]

Good to see you around OT.

Thanks a lot Hogg, it's good to be here.

P.S. Have you noticed that everybody on meso talks about MMA these days?, i remember the days when it was just a handful of us. I think it's finally getting the recognition it deserves.

-OT

 

[PDP]

Shit round these here parts blows like a tree in the wind my brothers (sigh)

The time to take responsibility for your country's actions was long ago.

 

[Beast]

What the fuck did you Americans expect?

The whole world told you to hold off until all the ducks were in a row, but you didn't listen. President Forest Gump and his psalm-singing bitch Tony 'Bliar' decided to go it alone. Now you're waking up the fact that you've swallowed a razor blade and you're going to cut your guts to ribbons shitting it out.

How many lies will you swallow from your own rulers before the truth strikes you? "Weapons of mass destruction" ... "We're there to bring democracy to the poor Iraquis" ... "links to El Quieda" ... "Oh, it's ok because we got to overthrow
a bloody dictator".

Every time the first draft dodger to be elected President got caught in one lie he told another, and Americans swallow it hook line and sinker.

Spare me the propaganda that you're there to help the Iraqis. Who profits for the invasion of Iraq and who pays for it?

Who profits? Halliburton ... Texaco ... arms merchants ... transnational contractors who will get rich on 'infrastructure reconstruction' -- all the major corporations that have a death-grip on the throats of small business owners and working Americans.

Who pays? Owner-operators and wage earners will shell out the taxes. Low income Americans who make up the ranks of the U.S. army and are now paying with their blood.

You're not in Iraq to help the Iraqis. You're not there to strike a blow against terorrism. You're not there to stablize the region. You're not there to protect the world from weapons of mass destruction.

No, you're there to fulfill the traditional role of of working Americans -- to swallow the cum of Ivy League pimps like Bush with a smile on your face because the apologists for Corporate America on Fox TV have told you that it's honey, not semen.

Everything that is happening there now is something the rest of the world predicted and warned you about. Now you want to get out but soon it will be too late. Your soldiers are in a world of shit and they have you to blame.

Mission Accomplished, America. Where do I line up to get my flight jacket?

That about sums up the predicament we find our country in. Very well said. If they are really concerned about wmd's then they should of went after korea where they admit to having them. Its all politics, Bush couldn't find bin laden so he had to divert the attention from him to saddam and made him public enemy no. 1.........The only remedy is to vote bush out.

 

[thick]

The US definitely has a double standard and really cant justify not going after north korea next if their reasons for attacking iraq are true. Steve mac, all I can say is that Iraq will/would eventually have wmd's. Probably does already and they would love to use them against us. I have no problem with a preemptive strike against a nation that is dying for the chance to wipe us out.

That about sums up the predicament we find our country in. Very well said. If they are really concerned about wmd's then they should of went after korea where they admit to having them. Its all politics, Bush couldn't find bin laden so he had to divert the attention from him to saddam and made him public enemy no. 1.........The only remedy is to vote bush out.

 

[stevemac]

well thick, the thing about the preemptive strike is where does it end? does the USA invade any country like that for similar reasons. good intelegence isused so war wont be necessary, yes its good saddam is gone, but is that worth 600+ US soldiers dead plus tens of thousands of Iraqis. I would say not, but its open to opinion.

 

[patsfan]

First off..we wernt lied to about WMD..the rest of the world was..we didnt really give a shit. This was nothing more than some payback to the muslim population that that celebrated after the towers fell and Bush trying to do what his father should have 10 years ago.

I knew there would be no weapons and if there were that we probably planted them..I was fine with that. I think most americans were just looking for an excuse to get some revenge. I know I was frustrated because of the nature of terrorism and the inability to blame one nation. To be perfectly honest I think the muslim population at large is responisble...I know I know the Koran doesnt teach that...blow me..Im sick of hearing that and seeing the opposite.

Now that its done..we should leave, forget the rich contracts for rebuilding because the contractors are gonna end up dead anyway and just feel good about some payback.

After 911 I think we should take the handcuffs off Isreil and let them sort it out once and for all.

Pats