Is getting fat on test only inevitable?

[marsupial]

Trying to plan out my second blast. First one was test 350 with some cruising for a total of 20w and didn't even require any pct drugs for me. That said, I had to take some time to cruise like I said to shave off fat that I had gained on cycle. If I aggressively control estrogen throughout (but make sure to not crash it), is it likely I'll do better with fat control? I didn't do that good of a job with controlling estrogen previously and had subscribed far too much to the modern MPMD dogma of "estrogen is anabolic bro." My face also got hella bloated, and is still a bit more bloated even off cycle (but less than on cycle) with the 9-10 ish lbs tissue that I managed to retain up till now. I'm also back down to my 32 waist size though so I'd say it was all worth it. As of today I'm about 1 month out from my last injection, and I already got bloods showing that my natty production started back up a while ago

Will adding in another compound like a DHT derivative reduce fat gains from an anabolic cycle?

 

[nightprowler7]

There's probably a lot you aren't managing. Training, BP, and nutrition.

 

[marsupial]

There's probably a lot you aren't managing. Training, BP, and nutrition.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Palifter]

Your issues aren’t AAS related. They’re diet related. Dial in your nutrition based on your goals.

 

[marsupial]

Your issues aren’t AAS related. They’re diet related. Dial in your nutrition based on your goals.

Yea I could've eaten cleaner. That said, I was still eating relatiely clean.

 

[Palifter]

Yea I could've eaten cleaner. That said, I was still eating relatiely clean.

You simply need to be in a greater caloric deficit to get leaner. Whether that’s eating less food, doing more cardio, or ideally, a mixture of the two.

I like slow and steady approaches when it comes to cutting or bulking. Take your current caloric intake, reduce by 100 calories, see where your weight is after a week. Rinse and repeat. It’s simple, don’t let the gear make things more complicated for you.

 

[nightprowler7]

Care to elaborate?

I can't spoonfeed you. You're getting fat because your nutrition isn't dialed in, your BP is probably high, and your training is shit. No one gets fat from testosterone, They get fat from eating wrong and poor training.

I'm guessing you also didn't get bloodwork.

You also stopped taking testosterone with no cruise or pct.

You sound like you don't have a clue what you're doing.

Why would you even waste a needle "blasting" 150 above replacement, only to stop cold turkey? You may as well just started TRT and stayed on it.

 

[marsupial]

I can't spoonfeed you. You're getting fat because your nutrition isn't dialed in, your BP is probably high, and your training is shit. No one gets fat from testosterone, They get fat from eating wrong and poor training.

I'm guessing you also didn't get bloodwork.

You also stopped taking testosterone with no cruise or pct.

You sound like you don't have a clue what you're doing.

Why would you even waste a needle "blasting" 150 above replacement, only to stop cold turkey? You may as well just started TRT and stayed on it.

Everyone gets some fat from a bulk cycle. Some more than others. But I’ve since realized now from this thread, I could’ve probably minimized it by being more meticulous about nutrition. So next blast should probably be test only and dialing in nutrition better seeing that I didn’t do as good of a job with that as I could have.

I didn’t take pct because to my surprise, my bloods 3w after my last injection showed TT at 500 and some change and FSH/LH at 4 and some change. TT pre cycle was 700 ish and both before and after were taken at same time of day. I had plenty of nolva and clomid just in case and still do for the future. Other than being tired for a couple of days I had no significant “withdrawal” sides

I blasted 350 most of the time and cruised at 125-150 for a month to control acne and to lose gained fat.

Thanks for the input

 

[buck]

Yea I could've eaten cleaner. That said, I was still eating relatiely clean.

People can lose weight on a dirty diet. And get fat on a clean diet. It is about calories more than anything else.

 

[marsupial]

You simply need to be in a greater caloric deficit to get leaner. Whether that’s eating less food, doing more cardio, or ideally, a mixture of the two.

I like slow and steady approaches when it comes to cutting or bulking. Take your current caloric intake, reduce by 100 calories, see where your weight is after a week. Rinse and repeat. It’s simple, don’t let the gear make things more complicated for you.

When I cut on test though it was way quicker than natty, I had no lethargy at any point, and kept going up in strength levels

 

[marsupial]

People can lose weight on a dirty diet. And get fat on a clean diet. It is about calories more than anything else.

Yea, cleaner and wiser about quantity

 

[malfeasance]

I could repeat what Palifter said, but I won't. I will simply point out that your question, "Is getting fat on test only inevitable?" has a faulty premise.

Testosterone only does not cause fat gain.

Therefore, your follow up question, "Will adding in another compound like a DHT derivative reduce fat gains from an anabolic cycle?" also contains an incorrect premise.

If I posted a question, "Is turning homosexual on test only inevitable?" most would spot the faulty premise right away. Then, "Will adding in another compound like a DHT derivative reduce homosexual tendencies from an anabolic cycle?" becomes even sillier.

Correct the premise, and you will draw a better conclusion.

Actual tracking on food and watching the mirror, photos, and the scale, helps a lot with diet, rather than "eating clean" and other vague generalities. If you had a coach, things would be tracked, progress analyzed, and changes made based on visual observations with your body. Your coach would not know what to do with an update that said, "Yea I could've eaten cleaner. That said, I was still eating relatively clean."


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[Mishka]

lol why should get fat on test, it is the calories that make u gain or lose weight

 

[ChevChelios]

There's probably a lot you aren't managing. Training, BP, and nutrition.

This. Some water retention is expected but if you’re getting fat (especially while on gear) either you are one of em people who thinks water retention=fat or you’re not training/eating right, it would be interesting to check out your training n macros n that way people could help you out

 

[ChevChelios]

Oh n fat gain is fkin normal while bulking, I eat good but I also eat like shit n do if it fits your macros once I get the rest of the main foods in to add extra calories but I’ve got a real quick metabolism so rarely get fat unless I really aim to do so (even bulking eating junk like a fat fk got me wayyy up in weight but was still at 15/16%bf at my highest like I’ve always been able to see my abs even at those levels). A surplus is necessary n it depends on the person to figure themselves out but nah it’s not the drugs, shit even stuff like dbol can be used for a cut if one knows their shit, imo too many people assume gear is magical n it is to a certain degree but you still have to do all the essential things to manipulate your gains to where you want em to be, if you gain fat easily maybe try doing some carb cycling that’s always worked for me n everyone ik both for bulking and cutting (you just change the amount of refeeds n calories), the only thing I’d tell you not to do is to cut calories too drastically as that will slow your metabolism down n make it harder to cut, anything else is all based on personal preference and physiology.

 

[JeffroCat]

your BP is probably high

Care to explain how high blood pressure makes one fat?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Care to explain how high blood pressure makes one fat?

How can you be this stupid ?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

That’s the most stupid thread here in MESO

 

[readalot]

If I posted a question, "Is turning homosexual on test only inevitable?" most would spot the faulty premise right away.

Love your post.

I don't know about this part though. How about 19-nors? Definitely some anecdotes out there that give one pause.

Is there a hormonal basis for human homosexuality? - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Minireview: Hormones and Human Sexual Orientation - PMC

Many people believe that sexual orientation (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality) is determined by education and social constraints. There are, however, a large number of studies indicating that prenatal factors have an important influence on this ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fetal Testosterone May Program Boys' Behavior

Testosterone levels in the womb might program certain behaviors later in life, new research shows.

www.livescience.com

Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[ChevChelios]

Care to explain how high blood pressure makes one fat?

Bruh being fat makes your BP higher, I hope you’re just fkin around as it’s pretty obvious that the guy was also mentioning general unhealthy habits