Is it true that all sites on eroids are scams?

I was a member of eroids and I tried multiple sources on there and left reviews but my Karma never rose and even got deducted from 1 to 0 and I even followed the rules regarding posting a proper review to a T no change in my karma levels and the stuff I got from some of the top rated sources such as ukbestersteroids, gorilla gear, and roidseek to name a few, which at the time were highly ranked sources, were either bunk or were extremely low dosed. Either a lot of selective scamming going on there or just bs and some of those sources acted like YOU owed them something when you pm'ed them about a question regarding an order placed. A bunch of snake oil salesmen on there if you ask me but thats just my opinion
 
I give credit to Eroids for to trying to quantify the quality of internet sources with a ratings system. It is an ambitious attempt. Thanks to Roid Noid for sharing the ins-and-outs of the model.

Of course, there is good reason why MESO members are suspicious. If moderators (who have power to delete bad reviews, etc) are compensated with free gear from the sources who they are in charge of monitoring, there is the appearance of bias and potential for quid pro quo.

Roid Noid seems like an honest guy but he is compensated by sources - by his own admission he received ~200 vials over two years. So how can moderators address this conflict of interest?

In other words, how can the model be improved?

1. Eroids can have zero-tolerance for moderators who receive any compensation from sources.

DOWNSIDE: The problem is: what moderator is going to spend hours out of their days to do this for free? (And yes, it involves a lot of work.)

2. An alternative is to centralize compensation so that only Eroids owner pays the mods.

But can this work? If the going rate for mod compensation is 100 vials per year - let's value that at $50/vial - that's $5000 per year. For 10 mods, that's $50,000 / year. Then, mods have only the owner to answer to instead of being influenced by numerous sources.

DOWNSIDE #1, that's a lot of $$ paid by Eroids.

DOWNSIDE #2, there's no guarantee that mods would stop taking kickbacks from sources.

3. Eroids could maintain current compensation structure but REQUIRE full disclosure from each mod. Each mods lists ALL sources they've received compensation from and HOW much they've received.

DOWNSIDE: conflict of interest still exists, it's simply disclosed now.

4. Eroids could require full disclosure by mods as described above and have mods recuse themselves from moderating any thread in which they have a conflict of interest.

(If they receive kickbacks from xyz source, they can't moderate discussions/reviews for xyz.)

DOWNSIDE: in absence of quid pro quo, sources have little incentive to donate to moderators.

My point is that no matter how good Roid Noid thinks Eroids is, it is not above criticism. (And neither is MESO-Rx's approach for that matter.)

If internet sources can regularly "game the system" on Google's SECRET algorithm for search engine results pages - and they do - why would it be any surprise that they can game eroids ranking system or ANY OTHER ranking approach offered on bodybuilding/steroid sites?

It's a very difficult problem for eroids or anyone to solve! It seems like eroids is trying. I've added my two cents on how it can be improved.

A lot of good ideas here boss.

It seems to me that the biggest issue everywhere, including here, is reps & sources not disclosing that they are being compensated.
More often than not they either deny any affiliation and try to pretend they are just ordinary noobie customers.
Full disclosure, that way we know what point of view they are coming from.

This, and the idea of mods not participating in threads or discussion where a lab that is giving handouts is being discussed. On wayyyyy to many boards anything negative is shut down and removed...... On wayyyy to many boards sources even have mod powers.
 
I give credit to Eroids for to trying to quantify the quality of internet sources with a ratings system. It is an ambitious attempt. Thanks to Roid Noid for sharing the ins-and-outs of the model.

Of course, there is good reason why MESO members are suspicious. If moderators (who have power to delete bad reviews, etc) are compensated with free gear from the sources who they are in charge of monitoring, there is the appearance of bias and potential for quid pro quo.

Roid Noid seems like an honest guy but he is compensated by sources - by his own admission he received ~200 vials over two years. So how can moderators address this conflict of interest?

In other words, how can the model be improved?

1. Eroids can have zero-tolerance for moderators who receive any compensation from sources.

DOWNSIDE: The problem is: what moderator is going to spend hours out of their days to do this for free? (And yes, it involves a lot of work.)

2. An alternative is to centralize compensation so that only Eroids owner pays the mods.

But can this work? If the going rate for mod compensation is 100 vials per year - let's value that at $50/vial - that's $5000 per year. For 10 mods, that's $50,000 / year. Then, mods have only the owner to answer to instead of being influenced by numerous sources.

DOWNSIDE #1, that's a lot of $$ paid by Eroids.

DOWNSIDE #2, there's no guarantee that mods would stop taking kickbacks from sources.

3. Eroids could maintain current compensation structure but REQUIRE full disclosure from each mod. Each mods lists ALL sources they've received compensation from and HOW much they've received.

DOWNSIDE: conflict of interest still exists, it's simply disclosed now.

4. Eroids could require full disclosure by mods as described above and have mods recuse themselves from moderating any thread in which they have a conflict of interest.

(If they receive kickbacks from xyz source, they can't moderate discussions/reviews for xyz.)

DOWNSIDE: in absence of quid pro quo, sources have little incentive to donate to moderators.

My point is that no matter how good Roid Noid thinks Eroids is, it is not above criticism. (And neither is MESO-Rx's approach for that matter.)

If internet sources can regularly "game the system" on Google's SECRET algorithm for search engine results pages - and they do - why would it be any surprise that they can game eroids ranking system or ANY OTHER ranking approach offered on bodybuilding/steroid sites?

It's a very difficult problem for eroids or anyone to solve! It seems like eroids is trying. I've added my two cents on how it can be improved.

Appreciate this^^^^^....As with all sites there is always problems, by no means are we above criticism, by no means are we done fixing problems, as they come to light we do what we can to correct them.....MODs and kickbacks are always gonna be a question, one thing I will tell you is just because a source offers free gear doesnt mean he is gonna get any kind of help, all MODs follow this protocol or their gone. ive kicked source off eroids, pulled them from the ranks, posted big ass warnings in red in their review sections, belittled them in the open for disrespecting members, gave shit reviews for shit gear received, and all of them have sent me gear before! As hard as it might be to understand members come before sources. (gear will always be offered, if the top 20 sources all gave me free gear and we decided to kick them all off eroids, guess what? 20 more would come and offer free gear. so to be perfectly honest with you gear dont mean shit to me.) Now obviously we cant get involved in every situation, but when there is a group of 5 or more claiming problems we normally step in and see whats going on.....really the main thing I want to say here is yes we aint perfect as a site, but we do everything we can to deliver up to date information on sources without censorship.
 
I was a member of eroids and I tried multiple sources on there and left reviews but my Karma never rose and even got deducted from 1 to 0 and I even followed the rules regarding posting a proper review to a T no change in my karma levels and the stuff I got from some of the top rated sources such as ukbestersteroids, gorilla gear, and roidseek to name a few, which at the time were highly ranked sources, were either bunk or were extremely low dosed. Either a lot of selective scamming going on there or just bs and some of those sources acted like YOU owed them something when you pm'ed them about a question regarding an order placed. A bunch of snake oil salesmen on there if you ask me but thats just my opinion

if you used the lixus from UKbest then im not surprised as many people started leaving reviews about the quality, he has dropped down in rank now (25th). Gorilla is im sure the one you are talking about acting like you owe him something, LOL yeah I went to war with that prick and his fan boys, he almost got kicked off eroids because of talking down and selective scamming. His rank has dropped because of it as well(27th). roidseek I havent used nor do i believe i have talked to the guy before.....The best thing to do when you think you got crap is go get blood test and post a pic, that alone will get you about 25points, especially if its bunk gear!
 
here the last cycle thread i made Steroids Forum: Steroids QA/Steroid Cycles/my GINORMOUS cycle

heres a review
Roid Noid 2 months ago
some time ago around Christmas I was offered some free products from ironman site so I ordered 30 karachi sust 1mil amps. I put them up when i got them and decided to pull them out today, upon looking at them a little closer they are known fakes Pictures - fakes

and another
Roid Noid 3 months ago
well shit i really didnt want to have to write this review but as a member of eroids it is my duty to inform other members of my experience good or bad....So neo contacted me some time ago and asked me to review some products for him, I said sure and picked out some products, karachi, omnadren, and dragon pharma sust. they where shipped from 2 different locations and showed up on the same day, well wrapped and nothing was broken. going into this cycle I was already running another sources sust and the deconate esters had not cleared yet, so this was gonna be an extension of that cycle. I started with the karachi's first but after a couple pins I had to drop them due to the PIP, it lasted 7 days with bad swelling and drastically effected my lifts. so then I went into the omnadrens, PIP was much better still there though but more of a good PIP. I started noticing pretty quick that my pumps werent coming as easily and after about 8 days I couldnt get one until well into 8-10 sets and soon found myself with no energy and laying on the couch all day. which is pretty unusual for me, ive been consistent with the gym for quite a long time now. after 3-4 days on the couch I decided that these omnadrens may be no good, the reason I say may be is because I had some things going on that had me a little depressed and that could possibly be the reason. So I dropped the omnadrens and stated pinning some pharma prop from another source, after the second day I started feeling a little better and made it to the gym, by the 4th day I was feeling pretty good and getting pumps after the second set. Today I definitely feel ON, my weight has jumped up 4 pounds in just those few days so I have no doubt that the omnadrens are fake. The dragon pharma I have not run yet, ill review them at a later date as I have now started running another sources products.

warnings ive posted
Aug 26th, 2012
WARNING THIS SOURCE HAS REPEATED BAD REVIEWS, HAS NOT PAID HIS DUES TO INTERACT WITH CUSTOMERS AND HAS ANOTHER UNDERSHIPPED REVIEW COMING! DONT BE STUPID AND LOOSE YOUR MONEY, READ THE REVIEWS THEY ARE THERE FOR YOUR PROTECTION. CLEARLY THIS SOURCE IS NOT ON HIS JOB, AND IN MY OPINION HALF ORDERS IS THE SAME THING AS A SCAM. WAY MORE SUPPLIERS TO ORDER FROM THEN TAKING CHANCES WITH THIS JOKER!

this is me trying to get members to vote that are making complaints on a source that is in the top ranks
Dec 23rd, 2012
why havent you voted? click on the 5 stars up top and vote!
Dec 20th, 2012
brother make sure you vote by clicking on the stars up top http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/supplier-introduction/voting-and-source-ranks
Dec 20th, 2012
give it to him via PM, or even over in the SI thread, but its not a review
Dec 16th, 2012
make sure you vote by clicking on stars up top
Dec 16th, 2012
make sure you vote
Dec 16th, 2012
he left a review on 11-21-12 about product being late why didnt you contact him!
Nov 26th, 2012
shipping and handling is not a review
Nov 25th, 2012
dont forget to vote. AND DONT TALK ABOUT PAYMENT OR NAMES
Nov 25th, 2012
shipping and handling is not a review as for the rest put that stuff in SI thread.
Nov 24th, 2012
dont forget to vote
Nov 24th, 2012
dont forget to vote
Nov 24th, 2012
dont forget to vote
Nov 24th, 2012
dont forget to vote
Nov 24th, 2012
dont forget to vote


I can go on and on with this stuff, and YOU can look at my eroids profile, click on reviews and see all this for yourself.
 
I've used several sources on eroids and have never had a problem. My 2 favorite sources are guys I found on eroids. Neither are in the top 10.

This is a fantastic post. This is what I believe to be true, Eroids and similar sites are not full of complete scams. It's wide open. When a source pays, they're in. Other board I'm a part of have a much stricter screening as far as becoming a sponsor goes.
There's a mix of garbage and good. New sources could have all the best intentions but because of MANY reasons they may not make it. I believe they reps mods delete threads and allow shills with the intent of being good. This IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS.
However, the good ones are there....you just have to get lucky. Then, if they are smart, they good ones will either go private or go to a board that is much smaller and that has members that have been around. The good ones don't want to be and can't be in the wide open for long or they risk getting fucked by LE.
Does this make sense?
 
I don’t applaud RN for being an honest guy… because he is not. He is part of the problem. To come on this site, and state “I’m just trying to make Eroids a better site" is bullshit. He is not on this site because he has a big heart, and just selflessly trying to help everyone. He is trying to get customers, so he gets gear from his sponsors.

Top ranked sites that are bunk – AND HE KNOWS THIS!

I love the acting... Ha.
 
I don’t applaud RN for being an honest guy… because he is not. He is part of the problem. To come on this site, and state “I’m just trying to make Eroids a better site" is bullshit. He is not on this site because he has a big heart, and just selflessly trying to help everyone. He is trying to get customers, so he gets gear from his sponsors.

Top ranked sites that are bunk – AND HE KNOWS THIS!

I love the acting... Ha.

Trust me partner, my post had nothing to do with RN. I don't applaud him or respect him. Eroids and the like are cesspools and are run by guys with the gift to gab.....he's not a member of the "Community"....believe that. I'm well aware he has no respect for me or anyone else not greasing his pockets.
I do believe, however, that there has to be a legit start up from time to time that starts at a noob shit site like eroids.
 
I don’t applaud RN for being an honest guy… because he is not. He is part of the problem. To come on this site, and state “I’m just trying to make Eroids a better site" is bullshit. He is not on this site because he has a big heart, and just selflessly trying to help everyone. He is trying to get customers, so he gets gear from his sponsors.

Top ranked sites that are bunk – AND HE KNOWS THIS!

I love the acting... Ha.

this is our membership for the last 13 hours, 50 fucking people dipshit! do you think I give a fuck about you and a couple of your cronies? LOL you guys are so simple minded!

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You make my point for me......
 
i think roid noid just released sensitive user information to the public. information that shouldnt be stored on a site that helps users break the law in the first place.
shame on you!
 
You make my point for me......

Noobs dont equal scam, ignorance maybe but thats something you should get along with well. No worries, its like pissing in the wind over here so im gonna go home for good. well send you over some more eroid rejects like rosco there so you can turn them into mascots in your eroids crusade....Atleast there was a couple guys that came up with some valuable conversation so it doesnt look like the whole crew of you are following rosco the noob 16 year old with OCD.
 
I can't complain about eroids. I've ordered from bodysynthetics (x3), Roxi, EuroKing, Qvolt, Naps, Athletespharmacy, EuropeAnabolic and 24hreup without any problems. I will agree that the best sources are not in the Top 10. IMO
 
I can't complain about eroids. I've ordered from bodysynthetics (x3), Roxi, EuroKing, Qvolt, Naps, Athletespharmacy, EuropeAnabolic and 24hreup without any problems. I will agree that the best sources are not in the Top 10. IMO

Former eroids #1 source Bodysynthetics was a big supporter of eroids earlier in this thread. But now he is nowhere to be found. What happened? What did he say? What did she say? And who is the 'she'?
 
From what I've pieced together I think his T/A got too high and during Hurricane Sandy his shippers screwed him. Not sure if its true I'm sure RoidNoid knows what happened. On the other hand I've ordered from BS after he was removed from eroids and received my order in 9 days compared to 17 when he was #1.
 
From what I've pieced together I think his T/A got too high and during Hurricane Sandy his shippers screwed him. Not sure if its true I'm sure RoidNoid knows what happened. On the other hand I've ordered from BS after he was removed from eroids and received my order in 9 days compared to 17 when he was #1.

Why would someone be removed rather than simply dropping down on the ranking list?
 
Talking shit to the mods. This is from an email a while back...
Recently, we were removed from the ranking system after arguing and fighting with one of the moderators on
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http://www.eRoids.com
Recently, we were removed from the ranking system after arguing and fighting with one of the moderators on
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http://www.eRoids.com
Please, do not be confused about the status of
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http://www.BodySynthetics.com
. We have NO affiliation to eRoids. eRoids is a source check/rating community, nothing more. We exist on our own, we do not operate based off where we stand with eRoids. We were around for a long time before eRoids and we plan on being around for a while.
 
Talking shit to the mods. This is from an email a while back...
Recently, we were removed from the ranking system after arguing and fighting with one of the moderators on
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http://www.eRoids.com

If this is true, then the acceptance of free gear by mods becomes an issue.

If number #1 donates 2 vials but numbers #3 and #4 donate 10 vials each, the "arguing" rule offers a convenient way of a mod removing #1 to benefit #3 and #4.

For all I know, BS could have been giving 10 vials and everyone else 0 and yet he was still kicked off.

Without disclosure and transparency, we will never know.
 
Former eroids #1 source Bodysynthetics was a big supporter of eroids earlier in this thread. But now he is nowhere to be found. What happened? What did he say? What did she say? And who is the 'she'?

From what I remember, BS got really pissed off when RN started to give away free karma to new users so that they could down vote his ranking. Then BS started getting into pissing matches with the mods and they decided to kick him off.
 
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