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Is the X10 rule bullshit
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Whoremoans
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What he said.
Its not consistant , I can easily prove that w/ my bloodtest while on Watsons test-C
And we are all individuals that test different from each other and at different times (trough period)
But sometimes it is 10x (other times its 7x or 6x or 5x, etc.)
And we are all individuals that test different from each other and at different times (trough period)
But sometimes it is 10x (other times its 7x or 6x or 5x, etc.)
Gramps
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Where is the confusion? I don't know of M's results but in my browsing time I see 10x happening rarely, but as a high expectation. Even with pharma I see 8x more common. It leads me to believe 10x just might be common in the eyes of Doctors who monitor this with highly controlled test results but in the real world I believe 7-8x is a good target quite obtainable. I use 10x as a max when doing a quicky dose setup in my head, but I use 8x on paper. It's all good, though, as either one is "close enough" when it comes to bloods. Your body sure can't tell the difference from a TT reading of 800 versus 1000 or 2400 versus 3000.
iintensity
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I don't see the point of this. Millard's program has nothing to do with this and I'm sure he urges users to taken frequent lab tests.
Dr. Scally said test levels should be in the range of 7-10x per 100 mg of testosterone when levels are taken at there peak (24-36 hrs post inject). This was mentioned not to start an argument but to help others judge the potency of their testosterone.
I can speak for myself an many others on trt forums that is normal to score 9-11x when the protocol is followed correctly.
Dr. Scally said test levels should be in the range of 7-10x per 100 mg of testosterone when levels are taken at there peak (24-36 hrs post inject). This was mentioned not to start an argument but to help others judge the potency of their testosterone.
I can speak for myself an many others on trt forums that is normal to score 9-11x when the protocol is followed correctly.
I'm agreeing with you, and I tend to follow the 5 x 10 rule myself. But I've seen to many people not following the protocol for peak bloodwork, get 6 or 7 times, and everyone freaks out and says it's underdosed
Sworder
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The "x10" rule I feel is like something that has been forced to be answered.
"If I take X amount of test what will my labs be?"
Everybody is different, don't take it as a definite answer, it's something that was answered to stop the questioning lol.
The best answer is "It varies with everybody and every test," but nobody likes those kind of answers
"If I take X amount of test what will my labs be?"
Everybody is different, don't take it as a definite answer, it's something that was answered to stop the questioning lol.
The best answer is "It varies with everybody and every test," but nobody likes those kind of answers
It is 7-10 times. I see people freak out about 4 or 5 and usually a few fours and fives hit and then a six is just another "bad" blood at that point.
Millard testing program in no way negates the importance of bloods and the importance of Dr scally ' vast research on the subject. Millard will be testing random sources on random batches; bloods help paint a picture of ongoing quality on untested batches.
If anything I see most people UNDER REACT to bad bloods- try to explain them away and buy anyways or convince themselves their stash is good. How sources get treated should be of little concern on a non sourcing board like ours; bloods come out and everyone can silently assess or violently voice their own opinion.
Millard testing program in no way negates the importance of bloods and the importance of Dr scally ' vast research on the subject. Millard will be testing random sources on random batches; bloods help paint a picture of ongoing quality on untested batches.
If anything I see most people UNDER REACT to bad bloods- try to explain them away and buy anyways or convince themselves their stash is good. How sources get treated should be of little concern on a non sourcing board like ours; bloods come out and everyone can silently assess or violently voice their own opinion.
You're absolutely right, getting bloodwork is extremely important, I see way to little of it on all the boards
fightingfires
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getting blood drawn tomorrow for my trt prescribed Test E
done is 140mg/week entire dose is on Sunday morning
test will be tomorrow morning so 36 hr after pinning
I didnt get near 10x last time but I think it was as I was pinning twice a week at 70mg each shot. Be interesting to see what it is this time
done is 140mg/week entire dose is on Sunday morning
test will be tomorrow morning so 36 hr after pinning
I didnt get near 10x last time but I think it was as I was pinning twice a week at 70mg each shot. Be interesting to see what it is this time
My doctor likes 48 hrs after pinning . So I pin on Wed morning and test on Fri morning . He said thats what his PDR (Physicians Desk Referance) said to test at ....
fightingfires
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Odd Oregongearhead...my doc always did 48 hrs too. For some reason on this blood test he wrote test on day 3
Not quite sure why but I have an appointment on June 9th and I will ask him why the change of heart for him
I'd rather keep it at 48 hrs so its consistent with every time Ive tested it before
Not quite sure why but I have an appointment on June 9th and I will ask him why the change of heart for him
I'd rather keep it at 48 hrs so its consistent with every time Ive tested it before
mercury
New Member
it is very inaccurate method, it will depend on your body mass, metabolism and many factors.
fightingfires
New Member
fuck it....I'm going to go do it right now
Frequent testing is the best protocol for individual health and success and for keeping labs accountable. Despite the outcome of Millards testing(which is a major blessing)most labs still depend on raws and can go to shit as quick as they get know for being Da BEST shit ever!! So with frequent testing as is been asked and represented-we will have the most current and accurate data for our own decision making. I think the 10x rule is a great unit of measurement for a go to measurement, but everybody knows it aint set in stone. If i am blasting 2000mgs HCG every 5 weeks, and i happen to take bloods and i am taking proviron and an AI. Then yeh, those are some of the factors that are going to come into play.Until someone deals with and creates numbers,equations and formulas to deal with those factors:we will continue to have this same discussion with the inevitable ??????
Unless someone knows what they get on legit pharma, apply an "x#" rule is pointless. I get 5x on Watson from the pharmacy. My Endo has seen other patients do even less than that, but many also get much closer to the "10x" golden standard.
Without a legitimate control point (test of known concentration), you can only draw limited conclusions. Anything the 7x+ range is almost certainly good. Anything in the 2-3x range is most likely bad. The middle is a huge grey area.
Without a legitimate control point (test of known concentration), you can only draw limited conclusions. Anything the 7x+ range is almost certainly good. Anything in the 2-3x range is most likely bad. The middle is a huge grey area.
dper726
Well-known Member
I don't know what the debate is or should be here but if we are talking facts I've been getting 7x to 10x on my bloods. And much closer to the 10x as of late. Consistency is the key word. All my bloods are post 24 hours injection and all my injections are once a week. Maybe we should go off that standard.
I have access to pharma watson maybe I'll put that one to the test once my time clears up in the summer.
I have access to pharma watson maybe I'll put that one to the test once my time clears up in the summer.
If you cannot back it up with hard scientific facts you not going to gain any ground. Why waste everyone's time?
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