Is there such thing as "only 1 cycle"?

[Grim]

Everything I read in forums and websites refers to 2nd & 3rd cycles right through to 15 yrs later taking gear.

Is it possible to do one cycle and get real gains that don't fade even if you adhere to quality training and a strict diet?

Are losses through a return to "homeostasis" inevitable? For example, if I did a cycle that packed on 15-20 pounds of lean muscle, would my body strive to return to what is "right" for me? Would I have to use gear again to retain these gains? Does using AAS once mean that you need to continue using in order to permanently keep gains?

Might be dumb questions but I would like to know.

Thanks.

G

 

[crewboss]

IMO most do multiple cycles. if you keep up w/ diet & workout regimen you'll be fine afterwards granted the weight wasn't water. you've got to keep up w/ everything though, which many fall into the trap of not doing.

 

[esco]

also for some the mental addiction to seeing themselves grow when their on ... makes it even harder not to do it again. like i said though, this is only for some ... not everybody. good luck

 

[Grizzly]

Sure, you can do just one. I think the main reason you read that stuff is because it's being written by people who have never figured out how to grow without juice, so the AS is necessitated if they wish to grow any larger, eventhough a small amount of effort would produce the same results.

 

[crewboss]

Sure, you can do just one. I think the main reason you read that stuff is because it's being written by people who have never figured out how to grow without juice, so the AS is necessitated if they wish to grow any larger, eventhough a small amount of effort would produce the same results.

yeah it's cliche but 90% of growth is the right combination of diet, exercise and sleep.

 

[Grizzly]

And, perhaps, the most important part is: Consistency! Something that's rarely talked about, but it is, by far, one of the most important things. Even if your diet and training is horseshit and you gain 3lbs of lbm/year, if you're consistent, you're up 30lbs in 10 years and are now significantly bigger.

Also, as was mentioned above, consistency in the sense that you don't just eat and train right while on drugs. You do it ALL THE FUCKING TIME! A lesson a lot should learn.

 

[dumblucky]

once you go to the dark side ...you will come back

 

[Animalhouse]

Great post grizzly. i would like to hear from someone who had trained a long time -been genuinely plateaued and then done just one cycle- and see how they held onto the increased weight and strength. someone who has trained only a couple of years- then cycles once- different kettle of fish- they have most likely not put on more muscle than they could have in an extra year or so training.

 

[N4cer]

"Only one cycle" does, in fact, exist.
It comes right before "Only one more cycle."

 

[Neodavid]

At 45, lifting most of my life, but not being blessed with strong genetics, I tried everything in the book. I peaked out for 3 years, not getting any bigger or stronger. I was at my genetic limits as far as I can tell.

I did one cycle, and gained 40lbs in my bench, at least, and 3/4 inch on my arms. It wasn't fat...

I did no pct, and lost about half of what I gained.

I then lost 30lbs due to surgery and a starvation diet.

6 workouts later (mostly every other day, full body, but sometimes 2 days of rest), I'm already back up to my previous pre-cycle size.

I'm happy as hell, but surprised. I'm still growing, or appear to be, and if this keeps up, I will have surpassed my previous genetic limits, without juicing again.

I'll let you know how it continues, but somehow the muscle memory from my juicing, has stuck with me, and I seem to be able to get passed my original limits, without juicing again.

I do have some tren enenthate coming, which I plan to stack with sust.

But after this experience, I think I will wait another 6 workouts or so to see what happens. If I continue to grow, I will avoid the juice. Why bother!

Without juice there is no way i would have ever thought this was possible. I'm not a big guy, topping out at about 210... I went down to 173lbs after my surgery and layoff. In 6 workouts and eating plenty, my strength is way up again and I currently weigh 187lbs.

I hope the juicing reset my natural muscular limits. Seems that way so far, but it's possible I'll freeze here again... I should know in about 3 or 4 more workouts if the trend continues, or dies down.

Great post grizzly. i would like to hear from someone who had trained a long time -been genuinely plateaued and then done just one cycle- and see how they held onto the increased weight and strength. someone who has trained only a couple of years- then cycles once- different kettle of fish- they have most likely not put on more muscle than they could have in an extra year or so training.

 

[Tank01]

"Only one cycle" does, in fact, exist.
It comes right before "Only one more cycle."

FOr real huh,

lol

 

[occam]

"Only one cycle" does, in fact, exist.
It comes right before "Only one more cycle."

Well said.

 

[Grim]

Thanks for the feedback. Its fairly obvious that there would be a mental addiction to achieving 2 years gains in one cycle, my main concern is whether the human body would try to revert to its natural genetic peak when the cycle has finished. AnimalHouse hit the nail on the head. Would like to hear from anyone out there trained naturally to a plateau and then done just one cycle?

 

[Desibaba]

There is no such thing as "Only one cycle"! Once you go there youll like it so much youll keep on doing it. There are people who do only one and then dont ever use again but most of those went to jail, had to stop training or whatnot.That jacked up feeling and bulging veins are addictive.You get them youll want to keep them. Thats why time on=Off.For the rest of my life if god willing is my motto.

 

[borderbound]

First of all dont take this wrong but if you havent had a dedicated
lifestyle to the gym and eating 6 + meals a day for the last 2-3 or more years you are not at or even close to your genetic peak

second ( most importantly) if you do a good cycle with a well planned out PCT your body WILL revert to the PEAK condition.. that your training and nutrition supports not " your genetic limitations "

third it is believed that anabolics will raise your genetic limit
in part by stretching the " muscles facia " this is a tight outer wrapping of the muscle so to speak and once it is filled tight it is harder to gain as easily as before .

 

[madman]

Is it posible sure; was I able to stick to only one? Nope.

 

[Grizzly]

Animalhouse- I would assume that a guy who is TRULY at his genetic limit would lose 100% of the gains post cycle. I mean, it is called a genetic limit for a reason.

 

[Animalhouse]

Interesting answers- NeoDavid please keep us informed- I think as borderbound said that fascia stretching may have something to do with a permament benefit from using gear. Grizzly half of me thinks a total loss of benefit would happen in that case mate- but the fascia aspect and others im sure exist- make me think otherwise. Neo its over to you pal to let us know

 

[Grizzly]

See, I don't buy that fascia stretching shit. Not one bit at all. I'd imagine that a certain muscle memory would exist, though, maybe.

But, as far as I can figure, let's say you have a guy who is 100% there(I don't know if anyone in the world has ever reached this point before juicing) and he's 225lbs. He does a cycle and puts on 25lbs. I could see him keeping maybe 5lbs, but 25lbs more than your body was "designed to be able to carry" just seems a little optimistic to me.

 

[Grizzly]

WRT fascia stretching. Here's how I understand it. There's a membrane over the muscle. By stretching this, typically with site oil, you allow your muscles to grow larger, verdad?

Ok, I just don't get it. Did I simplify it too much or something? If the membrane was such a hindrance, then wouldn't it have eliminate ANY muscle growth?