I‘ve come to the conclusion that Test + AI is the best (for me)

[pancetta]

EQ? Makes me so hungry that even a large surplus feels worse than the last weeks of a cut
Nandrolone? Much more water retention and bloated than on just Test. Didn’t feel good at all on NPP and also apparently it’s one of if not the worst compound for heart health
Tren? Works great, too bad that it kills your brain cells and kidneys long term
Mast? Tried it for a short time and it was the only compound that made me shed hair
Orals? Can’t be run for longer than 4-8 weeks, maybe 12 if it’s Anavar. Awesome cosmetic effect and temporary strength increase but not worth the organ stress

The only things that I haven’t tried and never will are DHB and Ment. I‘ve also never tried Primo because of the price and now the shortage too but honestly, if it’s as good as everyone says it’s probably worth it even if a vial costs 80 bucks.

Curious what everyone else thinks about it

 

[IndividualMan]

EQ? Makes me so hungry that even a large surplus feels worse than the last weeks of a cut
Nandrolone? Much more water retention and bloated than on just Test. Didn’t feel good at all on NPP and also apparently it’s one of if not the worst compound for heart health
Tren? Works great, too bad that it kills your brain cells and kidneys long term
Mast? Tried it for a short time and it was the only compound that made me shed hair
Orals? Can’t be run for longer than 4-8 weeks, maybe 12 if it’s Anavar. Awesome cosmetic effect and temporary strength increase but not worth the organ stress

The only things that I haven’t tried and never will are DHB and Ment. I‘ve also never tried Primo because of the price and now the shortage too but honestly, if it’s as good as everyone says it’s probably worth it even if a vial costs 80 bucks.

Curious what everyone else thinks about it

if you like test you should try low test + moderate MENT (maybe +AI).
(assuming you get the itch to try something new at some point in the future)
thats probably the closest thing to just test+AI, but a bit spicier.

 

[SmallTitsIRL]

This has been discussed multiple times extensively.

My take is that test only is fine, likely better long term for muscle growth and health, not only can you run it for longer but also have less side effects.

Now it isn't fun. Some of us (read me) want fun, this means using 19nors, primo and EQ. This is also because I'm younger than most people here so I can still "play" with my health. For sure, if I was 10-15 years older I wouldn't dabble with 19nors or orals.

Now your issues with most compounds there are solutions or ways around them.

I don't find primo that expensive anymore if you get it from China, it looks like it's becoming more and more available, and soon (Q2-Q3 2026) things could go back to 'normal' with it being widely available but still expensive domestic.

On a personal note : I love MENT, tho it is the bane of my existence. I will never feel like that anymore, I shouldn't have tried it because I'll be chasing that feeling every time.

 

[Jaymoney???]

I like adding low dose deca e to test. Gives me an extra edge when lifting heavy. And I swear it makes my upper body have that hulk look…

 

[Psy-chonaut]

if you like test you should try low test + moderate MENT (maybe +AI).

On a personal note : I love MENT, tho it is the bane of my existence. I will never feel like that anymore, I shouldn't have tried it because I'll be chasing that feeling every time.

-Aaah FFS , Manipulating mf'ers/influencer's <3

To do list: Have to get some MENT A , before this summer....
(Lmao )

 

[SmallTitsIRL]

-Aaah FFS , Manipulating mf'ers/influencer's <3

To do list: Have to get some MENT A , before this summer....
(Lmao )

You get quite watery, be careful. Also BP will shot up ±10 points be prepared for that. Your gym performance will shot up and your CNS will be taxed.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Increase your test dose instead of adding primobolan. When you come to a point where higher test yields no additional gains but more sides, you try primo.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

There's never any free lunch, even when it comes to primo.

You have to be vigilant with your injection technique or the pip will be debilitating, you won't be able to train for days (so what's the fkn point)

 

[cousinmuscles]

There's never any free lunch, even when it comes to primo.

You have to be vigilant with your injection technique or the pip will be debilitating, you won't be able to train for days (so what's the fkn point)

I refused to give up, despite debilitating PIP from primo, and found a workaround:

Thought I'd chime in here for what it's worth, it might come to use or not, but here it goes.

I used MCT many years back for a few brews but it gave me some annoying pip/site reaction. Switched to pure ethyl oleate, fit me perfectly. Included hsCRP in many tests but never had it go high. I did get some PIP from test E but not enough to care to change anything.

One year ago started using primobolan, decided to brew at 200mg/ml and if it hurt too much, just dilute to 100. As usual used EO as only carrier oil. Fucker hurt like my 500mg/ml test E experiment, fever, solid rock in the muscle lol. Diluted to 100mg/ml, then 50mg/ml and it was tolerable but always had PIP, much more than the test E. Used EO and corresponding BA/BB. However at the end of the cycle my CRP was at 5mg/ml, which is still some labs top end reference range, but unusually high for me. Next cycle I decided to use some of the remaining undiluted 200mg/ml for a few shots and do bloods and see what happens. hsCRP to >20mg/L and the pain was as bad as that number.

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I then diluted it with GSO to 50mg/ml and I am unable to feel any lump anywhere, even with 2ml, can't find the injection spot the day after. hsCRP down to 0.52mg/ml at the end of the cycle where I was pinning 3ml daily. So even at the same concentrations, somehow the thicker oil works much better.

My reasoning is that the EO used by itself is too thin and there is no depot formed from the injection and it is all blasted on the muscle fibers. Another issue I have had with EO is, if injected in e.g. glute in the morning prior to training legs. the oil leaks out of the muscle and spreads to a large surface area and causes pain. This is why I decided to switch to GSO for the viscosity, it stays in the muscle lol. I will try a small batch with miglyol some day and see if it disproves my thoughts on viscosity/forming a depot.

 

[Nighthawlk]

I refused to give up, despite debilitating PIP from primo, and found a workaround:

I have been injecting primo and test EOD subq. The pip is present on day 2 but so far it really hasn't been that bad. Maybe like a small bruse. The welt lasts for 2-3 days like a mosquito bite nothing too large but doable and worth the consequences of taking primo.

 

[cousinmuscles]

I have been injecting primo and test EOD subq. The pip is present on day 2 but so far it really hasn't been that bad. Maybe like a small bruse. The welt lasts for 2-3 days like a mosquito bite nothing too large but doable and worth the consequences of taking primo.

Everyone reacts differently, I know I am more prone to PIP in general though.

 

[Coldpress]

Everyone always seems very anti-AI, but my question is this… if I wait until symptoms show up before treating them, doesn’t that just put me on more of a hormonal rollercoaster? Is that really better than running a low-dose AI consistently throughout the blast?

 

[BabaJagga]

i think i agree. i have not dabbled with other anabolics except anadrol and it went horribly.
in year that im on anabolics (some might call it perma blasting), im very happy and impressed with test + ai + gh.

very easy to manage, not much oil volume, no pip, no mental issues either. happy, horny, hungry, strong and growing.

some say its boring. sure, its not rage fueled workout but gym is 2h per day, 5x per week. i think its important to not have any mental effects outside the gym, in real life.

managing estrogen isnt too hard either, at least i was succesfull so far. i aromatize heavily (750 test + 100mg aromasin = 59pg/ml e2) and i can just pop few pills and be done with it. with pillbox there is 0 chance that i would forgot...

i dont really wanna add other anabolic to control estrogen, at least so far. if my anabolic load for growth phase is 750, i belive that 750 test will be more effective than 500/250 test/primo/eq ...

but i wanna try boldenone cyp in future, just to experiment so there is that. but its not needed at all.

 

[bossetti]

EQ? Makes me so hungry that even a large surplus feels worse than the last weeks of a cut
Nandrolone? Much more water retention and bloated than on just Test. Didn’t feel good at all on NPP and also apparently it’s one of if not the worst compound for heart health
Tren? Works great, too bad that it kills your brain cells and kidneys long term
Mast? Tried it for a short time and it was the only compound that made me shed hair
Orals? Can’t be run for longer than 4-8 weeks, maybe 12 if it’s Anavar. Awesome cosmetic effect and temporary strength increase but not worth the organ stress

The only things that I haven’t tried and never will are DHB and Ment. I‘ve also never tried Primo because of the price and now the shortage too but honestly, if it’s as good as everyone says it’s probably worth it even if a vial costs 80 bucks.

Curious what everyone else thinks about it

carbonara con pancetta o guanciale?
bossetti innocente o colpevole?

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Problem is dosage. When you take this into account, test is not optimal.

For example, in terms of gym performance, sides and biomarkers, I found that overall:

100mg Tren-E >= 400mg-500mg Test-C

In fact, my test only cycle which went to 750mg of Test-C resulted in higher RHR, BP and lipids than the 100mg Tren-E cycle even with a test of about 320mg. Never mind E2 issues and water weight fluctuations impacting cardio and sport performance.

I also doubt that 100mg of Tren-E is going to be more neurotoxic than 400-500mg of Test-C. I am already very dubious of most neurotocity claims as is.

Now if you were to compare 100mg Test-C to 100mg Tren-E then of course, you would be right. But who does that?

Then we have things like DECA/NPP that have actual positive sides you cannot get elsewhere. If you need those, then they are not replaceable.