Jano "The ultimate Con-man and Liar?" thread...You be the judge

[janoshik]

Did you ask K what was being sent yes or no?

I have no idea what exactly are you asking about, but I generally do ask what I'm supposed to test, unless raw powders are involved. .

And advice "use the fucking google and see how does the HPLC testing work" might be a good one for you.

Or go tell Millard to tell him he's stupid for asking SIMEC, because they have to be provided the info beforehands as well.

You can't quantify oxandrolone the same way you'd quantify tren.

So unless you want to run a screening on each goddamn sample it's just easier to ask beforehands. If you pay double for the additional workload, feel free to send me total unknown sample at any time.


Any more loaded questions without a point?

 

[Wunderpus]

I have no idea what exactly are you asking about, but I generally do ask what I'm supposed to test, unless raw powders are involved. .

And advice "use the fucking google and see how does the HPLC testing work" might be a good one for you.

Or go tell Millard to tell him he's stupid for asking SIMEC, because they have to be provided the info beforehands as well.

You can't quantify oxandrolone the same way you'd quantify tren.


Any more loaded questions without a point?

I wanna be like the cool kids, BRB.

 

[MassTurk]

After Mands answers the question of how much he had paid me for the testing, therefore explaining how big was the financial gain I got from this...


Where exactly was my test of #17 made public for gain/loss of me or anybody at all?
Can anybody point that out to me please?

Please, do that and I'll stuff a traffic cone up my ass.


The test I done for free out of my interest, to see if the testing conducted by Mands and JIM really does suck balls as I assumed it to.

It does, but based on the privacy between me and Mands, contrary to copypasting our discussion, I did not share that anywhere and did not use it as evidence against them.

Huh.

Your financial gain would be discrediting dr him and opening up a realm of possibilities for the money to roll in from all possible clients like the ones at ab. I'm positive they are following along reading your responses to the accusations. Mands have nothing to gain from discrediting you. But you do by pretending to do a test and implying it was tested higher on your end than dr jims lab. Catch my drift yet?

 

[MassTurk]

Jano are you saying you cannot figure out what your testing? you have to find out from the person sending it to you first? I'm lost why do you need to know the compound? Your hplc will determine that right. So why you need to know?

 

[Sdryx]

Also if you knew a tiniest bit about HPLC testing you wouldn't have to ask such questions

You continue to subterfuge Meso with details about scientific testing that you know that 99% of people here will never understand. You use this as a tool to appear credible to those where your explanations go over their heads.

You can keep trying to appear credible by blasting your scientific babble but your credibility means nothing as you are a LIAR! You have been caught in a lie red handed and your motives are now known, as I already knew was the case months ago.

Absolutely nothing you do or say holds any value because it has zero CREDIBILITY.

 

[Wunderpus]

Jano are you saying you cannot figure out what your testing? you have to find out from the person sending it to you first? I'm lost why do you need to know the compound? Your hplc will determine that right. So why you need to know?

I believe they need to have a reference to compare it to. I might be explaining this poorly... But, if they were to test tren enan., they'd have to have a previously confirmed sample to compare the results to.

Fuck, science blows... I wish my fucking chemistry teacher didn't have an awesome iguana I just played with all year, and had paid attention. Oops.

 

[ickyrica]

your credibility means nothing as you are a LIAR! You have been caught in a lie red handed and your motives are now known,

that pretty much sums up what the 'meat and potatos' of the discussion boil down to...

 

[Dr JIM]

Its basically snitchin yourself out ...

Actually its ok it ask WHAT is being sent for testing like "its an AAS" but inquiring about the QUANTITY in each vial circumvents the intent of testing, an independent and unbiased analysis of that particular product.

So although the lab Mands and I use know we are looking for HGH they are NEVER provided quantitative information UNTIL after the assays are completed.

The latter is only done to ensure the involved facility has been given ample opportunity to check and double check their data for accuracy and as I've mentioned they stand behind their work!

 

[CdnGuy]

Actually its ok it ask WHAT is being sent for testing like "its an AAS" but inquiring about the QUANTITY in each vial circumvents the intent of testing, an independent and unbiased analysis of that particular product.

So although the lab Mands and I use know we are looking for HGH they are NEVER provided quantitative information UNTIL after the assays are completed.

The latter is only done to ensure the involved facility has been given ample opportunity to check and double check their data for accuracy and as I've mentioned they stand behind their work!

Fair enough Dr Jim but if someone is asking questions like MassTurk pointed out. It's fishy as fuck imo...

 

[janoshik]

Your financial gain would be discrediting dr him and opening up a realm of possibilities for the money to roll in from all possible clients like the ones at ab. I'm positive they are following along reading your responses to the accusations. Mands have nothing to gain from discrediting you. But you do by pretending to do a test and implying it was tested higher on your end than dr jims lab. Catch my drift yet?

And YET I did not use it to discredit Dr JIM. HOW FUCKING SO?


All I ever used to discredit the lunatic were FACTS confirmable from 3rd parties and Scientific Journal. Also calling him a lunatic idiot at times.

Is that incorrect?

I have no beef with Mands, I still believe he's a good guy. A pissed good guy. But he is free to not believe my story and be pissed. I would probably be also. A bits of his story are stretched, but not untrue.

He is free to answer only the questions that will make me look even worse and not the ones which would make it wonder what would my motive be.


But if I wanted to use that results to discredit JIM or Mands WHY DID I NOT DO SO?

I already had tested #17 from different kits before we even talked about that with Mands.

I could fucking use that, don't you think?

Jano are you saying you cannot figure out what your testing? you have to find out from the person sending it to you first? I'm lost why do you need to know the compound? Your hplc will determine that right. So why you need to know?

Ok, for now I'm going to refrain from calling you names, because I'm mad.

But you are one of the few sensible people here in the thread and I value that.

I cannot figure totally unknown sample.

If you'd send me heroin I'd have NO IDEA what it is. I don't have standard for it.

Without standard you cannot IDENTIFY ANYTHING on HPLC with UV-VIS detection.

Regarding AAS and related compounds I do have over 50 standards.

With long programs etc the elution times change mildly, so in order to deliver the most precise work I would have to shoot 50 (okay, 30 for oils) fucking standards to find out it was test pp in your oil.

Of course, I'd know it's something short estered and could lower the amount of standards to probably like 10... The abrosbance ratios also vary, so reduce it to 4 etc etc... But I am not a fucking detective unless I'm paid for it.


If you send me test prop oil and you tell me it's test prop oil I shoot test pp standard and the oil. YADAA we got the results without being a fucking sherlock.

Of course if the result comes back 0mg/ml test prop but YOUR DAWGS GET MAD VEINZ on it. I can screen it for stuff and see - OH YEAH, SEEMS LIKE UR CHINESE GUY MIXED TEST PP WITH TREST ACE. YOU GOT A GOOD DEAL MATE.




Do you understand now?

 

[janoshik]

Actually its ok it ask WHAT is being sent for testing like "its an AAS" but inquiring about the QUANTITY in each vial circumvents the intent of testing, an independent and unbiased analysis of that particular product.

Yeah, thank you for doing the explaining for me JIM, first time in a while I guess.

Fair enough Dr Jim but if someone is asking questions like MassTurk pointed out. It's fishy as fuck imo...

Read the posts above.

Or did I anytime inquire about CONCENTRATION? That would be new to me and I'm finding out new stuff about me on this forum every day. Most of them I didn't know myself before.

 

[Wunderpus]

And YET I did not use it to discredit Dr JIM. HOW FUCKING SO?


All I ever used to discredit the lunatic were FACTS confirmable from 3rd parties and Scientific Journal. Also calling him a lunatic idiot at times.

Is that incorrect?

I have no beef with Mands, I still believe he's a good guy. A pissed good guy. But he is free to not believe my story and be pissed. I would probably be also. A bits of his story are stretched, but not untrue.

He is free to answer only the questions that will make me look even worse and not the ones which would make it wonder what would my motive be.


But if I wanted to use that results to discredit JIM or Mands WHY DID I NOT DO SO?

I already had tested #17 from different kits before we even talked about that with Mands.

I could fucking use that, don't you think?




Ok, for now I'm going to refrain from calling you names, because I'm mad.

But you are one of the few sensible people here in the thread and I value that.

I cannot figure totally unknown sample.

If you'd send me heroin I'd have NO IDEA what it is. I don't have standard for it.

Without standard you cannot IDENTIFY ANYTHING on HPLC with UV-VIS detection.

Regarding AAS and related compounds I do have over 50 standards.

With long programs etc the elution times change mildly, so in order to deliver the most precise work I would have to shoot 50 (okay, 30 for oils) fucking standards to find out it was test pp in your oil.

Of course, I'd know it's something short estered and could lower the amount of standards to probably like 10... The abrosbance ratios also vary, so reduce it to 4 etc etc... But I am not a fucking detective unless I'm paid for it.


If you send me test prop oil and you tell me it's test prop oil I shoot test pp standard and the oil. YADAA we got the results without being a fucking sherlock.

Of course if the result comes back 0mg/ml test prop but YOUR DAWGS GET MAD VEINZ on it. I can screen it for stuff and see - OH YEAH, SEEMS LIKE UR CHINESE GUY MIXED TEST PP WITH TREST ACE. YOU GOT A GOOD DEAL MATE.




Do you understand now?

"standard" that's the word I was looking for

Sometimes being half retarded is difficult with some of you folks. I normally avoid this GH threads because @mands and @Dr JIM speak some scary science-y languages I don't understand. And Mands is better looking than me, so there's that too.

 

[CdnGuy]

Yeah, thank you for doing the explaining for me JIM, first time in a while I guess.


Read the posts above.

Or did I anytime inquire about CONCENTRATION? That would be new to me and I'm finding out new stuff about me on this forum every day. Most of them I didn't know myself before.

My bad should have said the question inregards to mands addy.

 

[janoshik]

You continue to subterfuge Meso with details about scientific testing that you know that 99% of people here will never understand. You use this as a tool to appear credible to those where your explanations go over their heads.

You can keep trying to appear credible by blasting your scientific babble but your credibility means nothing as you are a LIAR! You have been caught in a lie red handed and your motives are now known, as I already knew was the case months ago.

Absolutely nothing you do or say holds any value because it has zero CREDIBILITY.

Well, one would think that if you are on meso you can use the goddamn google and not be spoonfed. I am happy to explain to those interested. But if you cannot confirm a fact with google you are lost case.

Also GRAVITY IS REAL.

Get this over your head and think hard about it. You might find it very contradicting to some of your beliefs.

Suck it.

I believe they need to have a reference to compare it to. I might be explaining this poorly... But, if they were to test tren enan., they'd have to have a previously confirmed sample to compare the results to.

Fuck, science blows... I wish my fucking chemistry teacher didn't have an awesome iguana I just played with all year, and had paid attention. Oops.

Reference standard, you got that half-right

 

[Dr JIM]

You can't quantify oxandrolone the same way you'd quantify tren.

Sure and that goes wo saying Jano as each require different grids, standards, separate calibration curves and solvents, but no lab worth their salt needs to be informed beforehand what the CONCENTRATION is "supposed to be".

The most reliable analytical labs base their testing on ONE QUESTION which is; "what are we looking for" and in the case of FORENSIC labs; WHY. Determining the concentration is the LABS JOB !

 

[janoshik]

Sure and that goes wo saying Jano as each require different grids, standards, and separate calibration curves, but no lab worth their salt needs to be informed beforehand what the CONCENTRATION is "supposed to be".

Exactly.

 

[mands]

After Mands answers the question of how much he had paid me for the testing, therefore explaining how big was the financial gain I got from this...


Where exactly was my test of #17 made public for gain/loss of me or anybody at all?
Can anybody point that out to me please?

Please, do that and I'll stuff a traffic cone up my ass.


The test I done for free out of my interest, to see if the testing conducted by Mands and JIM really does suck balls as I assumed it to.

It does, but based on the privacy between me and Mands, contrary to copypasting our discussion, I did not share that anywhere and did not use it as evidence against them.

Huh.

Jano are you saying you cannot figure out what your testing? you have to find out from the person sending it to you first? I'm lost why do you need to know the compound? Your hplc will determine that right. So why you need to know?

I really don't have to answer anything Jano.

The only out of pocket expensive I have it the shipping cost. Jano was not going to charge me the fee that was posted by another member not ME. He told me the pricing but I never shared this in public to anyone.

Jano has nothing financially to gain from me. He does have financial gain to discredit others... Especially when @Dr JIM and myself provide a service for free to the community. That would be my number #1 reason to discredit anyone.

You test were never made public on my #17 batches because you gave me them in PM and never sent me the hard copies. I took your word for it Jano.

Anything you can conjure up and/or have an excuse. I will have a rebuttal that will make perfect sense to prove you wrong to any half-way educated individual.

I'm not pissed anymore. I waited almost 24 hours before I posted anything. I'm disappointed that I gave you the benefit of the doubt because of @muscle96ss and @Buck1973 (two people I know have good intentions) and didn't go with my gut. The funny thing is you could of been a great asset if you didn't try to make a quick buck. Whether it's a drug problem or a financial hardship. You are here for one reason only to keep your customers happy and make new ones and make money. You need some help and I hope you get it.

mands

 

[janoshik]

You are right Mands, you don't.

My point being was that I had never used my results to discredit your results, did I?

Instead I quoted articles ad infinitum and posted facts and arguments, which neither you or JIM could disprove.

NOR DID I, IN FACT, ATTACK YOUR RESULTS, EXCEPT THE SERO, WHICH WAS QUESTIONED BY MORE PEOPLE THAN ME. I GAVE A VERY OBVIOUS BENEFIT OF DOUBT THERE TOO - do you want me to quote that?

I DID ATTACK MISINFORMATIONS AND LIES POSTED.

But whatever, I'm used to double standards here.

So if I did not use it against you, what would be the motive?

By not making it public I mean I did not make public the tests, not one of the #17s I have tested from different kits, which all tested pretty much the same.

If I was trying to make a quick buck I wouldn't be in the game for the years I am.

Implying I am a drug addict or broke enough to do things out of desperation is you being falsely condescending and misinformed.


- jano

 

[MassTurk]

You are right Mands, you don't.

My point being was that I had never used my results to discredit your results, did I?

Instead I quoted articles ad infinitum and posted facts and arguments, which neither you or JIM could disprove.

NOR DID I, IN FACT, ATTACK YOUR RESULTS, EXCEPT THE SERO, WHICH WAS QUESTIONED BY MORE PEOPLE THAN ME. I GAVE A VERY OBVIOUS BENEFIT OF DOUBT THERE TOO - do you want me to quote that?

I DID ATTACK MISINFORMATIONS AND LIES POSTED.

But whatever, I'm used to double standards here.

So if I did not use it against you, what would be the motive?

By not making it public I mean I did not make public the tests, not one of the #17s I have tested from different kits, which all tested pretty much the same.

If I was trying to make a quick buck I wouldn't be in the game for the years I am.

Implying I am a drug addict or broke enough to do things out of desperation is you being falsely condescending and misinformed

- jano

You are expecting all of us to believe you walked in and out of customs with the controlled substance and they shipped it back to sender after you returned it to customs. Is this what we are to believe sir ?

 

[Sdryx]

But if you cannot confirm a fact with google you are lost case.

So now Google is the standard? Get real. That's the stupidest thing I have EVER heard!

So if I did not use it against you, what would be the motive?

You keep presenting the argument that because we cannot define your motive that you are innocent.

The only thing that matters is the bottom line. The motive does not matter whatsoever. You could be doing it for no financial gain and as a prank! (The results are exactly the same no matter what your motive may be, therefore your motive is meaningless to us).

The only thing that matters is that you have no CREDIBILITY and therefore none of your arguments hold any VALUE!

If I was trying to make a quick buck I wouldn't be in the game for the years I am.

You could be an UGL "hitman" so to say. For the right price you will discredit any lab.

MISSION LABS - CONTAMINATED PRODUCTS MAKING USERS SICK

Look at this poster here citing your tests. This poster here is NOT putting up some public service announcement. It is FAR to well written for it to be of that nature. No, their posts were drafted with absolute PERFECTION and absolutely PERFECT responses for every accusation made to him.

This is UNNATURAL and it appears to me that the poster has alterior motives and dove in VERY WELL prepared to slander the lab in question.

When something is TOO PERFECT, that should be a sign of caution!