JUST TURNED 21! time for first cycle

[juicestop]

Well I know no one cares but I just hit the big 21 on Monday. Anyways so far I'm all natural, no adro or nothing, and I promised myself I personally touch the stuff till I hit 21 but here I am so now its decision time. I was hoping the experienced experts on this board could critique my idea.

First stats. I'm 5"10 about 192 currently with a full 4 pac, but not quite 6 yet LOL. So i'm guessing i'm around 9 - 12% body fat. I've gone through different physique stages already. At my leanest I was 185 pretty cut, then I bulked for a year and hit 245, I was strong as hell but got way to fat. Took me about 6 months to get where I currently am and I plan on hitting my leanest at 190. Kind of makes me said that getting that fat was for nothing, so much for the Lee Preist scenario.

Second goals. I don't plan on ever being a hardcore juicer nor do I wanna be as large as most pro bodybuilders, but I definetly wanna be around 220 - 225 and ripped while i'm off. So those of you rolling 1000mg of test, dbol, tren and such will think this is weak, but My goal is to keep all my gains and experience as little side effects as possible.

Third my planned cycle. Ok off the bat I wanna do 4 IU's of GH a day for minimum 4 months. Obviously this will not be cheap, atleast $2000. The whole thing looks like this:

Week 1-2: 4 IU(2 morn. 2 at night) of GH a day. 200mg wk Primo Depot
Week 3-6: 4 IU/day GH. 200mg wk Primo. 50mg EOD winni inject.
week 7-14:4IU/day GH. 200mg wk Primo. 50mg EOD winni.40mg/day anavar.
week 15 and 16: 4IU/day of GH. 50mg Clomid a day

Anyone let me know if this sounds good to fit my goals of permanent gains, safety, and few side effects. Also if possible what kind of gains I can expect If I eat clean with enough calories and train like a madman like I do now, 6 days a week. Thanks for listening bro's

 

[EatNphood]

Bro -
U might want to consider holding off and just keep eating, eating and then eat some more, and keep training the way you have been for a few more yrs. Stick to this, stay dedicated and see where you can get naturally and see where you plateau, then and only then reconsider using AAS.

I know its probably not what you wanted to hear, but again this is just my 2 cents, and I'm sure others will have some good insight for ya.

Good luck!

 

[brooklynheight]

sounds a little much for a first cycle---keep it simple

 

[ijustmegdu]

if you can get up to 245 juice free, stay juice free.

 

[deadguy]

Well I know no one cares but I just hit the big 21 on Monday. Anyways so far I'm all natural, no adro or nothing, and I promised myself I personally touch the stuff till I hit 21 but here I am so now its decision time. I was hoping the experienced experts on this board could critique my idea.

First stats. I'm 5"10 about 192 currently with a full 4 pac, but not quite 6 yet LOL. So i'm guessing i'm around 9 - 12% body fat. I've gone through different physique stages already. At my leanest I was 185 pretty cut, then I bulked for a year and hit 245, I was strong as hell but got way to fat. Took me about 6 months to get where I currently am and I plan on hitting my leanest at 190. Kind of makes me said that getting that fat was for nothing, so much for the Lee Preist scenario.

Second goals. I don't plan on ever being a hardcore juicer nor do I wanna be as large as most pro bodybuilders, but I definetly wanna be around 220 - 225 and ripped while i'm off. So those of you rolling 1000mg of test, dbol, tren and such will think this is weak, but My goal is to keep all my gains and experience as little side effects as possible.

Third my planned cycle. Ok off the bat I wanna do 4 IU's of GH a day for minimum 4 months. Obviously this will not be cheap, atleast $2000. The whole thing looks like this:

Week 1-2: 4 IU(2 morn. 2 at night) of GH a day. 200mg wk Primo Depot
Week 3-6: 4 IU/day GH. 200mg wk Primo. 50mg EOD winni inject.
week 7-14:4IU/day GH. 200mg wk Primo. 50mg EOD winni.40mg/day anavar.
week 15 and 16: 4IU/day of GH. 50mg Clomid a day

Anyone let me know if this sounds good to fit my goals of permanent gains, safety, and few side effects. Also if possible what kind of gains I can expect If I eat clean with enough calories and train like a madman like I do now, 6 days a week. Thanks for listening bro's

I think the GH is a little much for a first time around. GH is used for fat burning and increased muscle cell volume. If you are going to use AAS, go with the simple cycle of test and maybe deca or equipoise. Maybe even test and tren if you want.

 

[hardcore210]

I think the GH is a little much for a first time around. GH is used for fat burning and increased muscle cell volume. If you are going to use AAS, go with the simple cycle of test and maybe deca or equipoise. Maybe even test and tren if you want.

I agree. Try the basics first just to see how your body responds to increased stimuli. Between the GH and Winstrol, you'll be a pincussion. I wouldn't suggest running a cycle with THAT FREQUENT of injections for your first time around. Hell, you may find that you can't even bring yourself to do injections....trust me, plenty of guys don't go through with it just b/c of the needles. Think how much $$ you'd be out on the GH alone. I think at this stage of the game, you're going to be disappointed in the results of the GH, too. Most guys I know tend to use that in conjunction w/insulin as a plateau breaker or pre-contest for its fat burning qualities. It's not for your novice bb'er. For about 1/4 your original cost, you could do an excellent 12 week cycle that, if planned and executed right, will allow you to see the type of gains you're looking for and keep most of them. If you can't grow on test, deca, and d-bol, you can't grow on anything! This isn't something to dive head-first into. Not a flame, but some honest, objective advice.

 

[rjx]

Go beyond your natural max before going on GH. And thats way too much shit for a first, maybe even too much for a second cycle. Do you want to live to see your 23rd bday?

Please check out this thread
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23190

 

[EatNphood]

Also slin is typically stacked with GH, and using slin can get well lets say.....interesting...If you do decide to start a cycle, do as many have stated stick with the basics for your first cycle, TEST is best with any cycle...

But 245 natuarally is very decent, so maybe get up there then consider a cycle...again just my 2 pennies...

 

[Bob Smith]

Im with the other guys, stick to a basic test and deca/EQ cycle.

Read through the two stickies at the top of this forum...."Phreezers First Cycle" and "AnimalMass's Cycle." Both are loaded with great info for newbies like yourself.

 

[morepain]

Im with the other guys, stick to a basic test and deca/EQ cycle.

Read through the two stickies at the top of this forum...."Phreezers First Cycle" and "AnimalMass's Cycle." Both are loaded with great info for newbies like yourself.

DEFINETELY, check the basic cycles that bob mentioned, also as was mentioned if you can get to 245 fairly solid clean, you should probably stay clean. I am not preaching here but believe me, after close to 20 years of experience with this stuff i can tell you some days i wish i had just stayed at 190'ish with a decent set of abs and left it all alone. It becomes a downward spiral in alot of ways. I wish you the best my friend.

 

[red6676]

DEFINETELY, check the basic cycles that bob mentioned, also as was mentioned if you can get to 245 fairly solid clean, you should probably stay clean. I am not preaching here but believe me, after close to 20 years of experience with this stuff i can tell you some days i wish i had just stayed at 190'ish with a decent set of abs and left it all alone. It becomes a downward spiral in alot of ways. I wish you the best my friend.

Now here is a lot of smart people talking. Stay clear of that GH (mutating cells guaranteed cancer). I would say with that good base you have natural, train a couple good years and then maybe hit a nice 10 weeker of straight sustanon maybe add some primo - if your lean and your diet is clean, most likely you will get a great result with minimal side effects. Thats just my opinion. The key is to do the least amount for the best gain. Stick with quality not quanity. More is not better! Post cycle training is key - stay consistent and you will keep more of your gains.

 

[juicestop]

Thanks everyone your input is greatly appreciated. A lot of you reccomend test but it has always worried me. I have had a lot of friends who did test and when they went off everything went back to normal, but then I've met a few who have croaked their libido even after proper post AAS recovery protocal. Also the acne and mood swings worry me, any more suggestions as to what I can do with the drugs I have included? I want the primo in there for sure

 

[brooklynheight]

if you arent ready for the sides, you arent ready for the game

 

[DRAnabolicMD]

if you arent ready for the sides, you arent ready for the game

Juicestop, Hit me up if you still need the Primo bro. I can hook ya up.

 

[hardcore210]

Juicestop, Hit me up if you still need the Primo bro. I can hook ya up.

Hey Doc, not to be an ass, but it would probably be best to keep posts like that in PMs or in the classifieds.

Juicestop- if your friends were doing things the correct way, then many of those things should/could have been avoided. There are many different factors like dosage, length of cycle, proper PCT, that affect sides/gains. Don't let test scare you. The mood swing thing is way overrated. If you're an ass before AAS, then you'll be an ass with AAS. Too many guys use that as an excuse to be pricks. If anything, test makes me feel almost euphoric! I've never had any acne problems, sex drive issues, or mood swings to deal with. Also, I tend to run cycles on the long side. Like I've said before, if done correctly, there's nothing to be afraid of unless you're scared of great results. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones? Knowledge, preparation, and execution are the keys to success.

 

[eleven11]

If your going to do GH DON'T use it at night it will shut down your bodies own production of it. 2iu's a day in the morning would be plenty if your trying to burn fat. And don't mess with insulin.

I wish you guy's would stop your daily sermon about not doing AAS. It's like a bunch of drunks in a bar telling someone not to drink. The man is 21 and he's made a decition to try then we should help him out so he doesn't guess his way thru.
Someone said that if he can get to 245 naturally then do that, but he said he was a fat ass. I don't believe in putting on 60 lbs of blubber so I can gain 5 lbs of muscle. You should see some lean gains from your cycle but it wouldn't be my first choice

I'll agree with the test eq advise though. 500mg test and 400 eq wk should do you real good and not to much sides. You'll need more clomid at the end though and maybe some hcg.........11

 

[Bob Smith]

Now here is a lot of smart people talking. Stay clear of that GH (mutating cells guaranteed cancer). I would say with that good base you have natural, train a couple good years and then maybe hit a nice 10 weeker of straight sustanon maybe add some primo - if your lean and your diet is clean, most likely you will get a great result with minimal side effects. Thats just my opinion. The key is to do the least amount for the best gain. Stick with quality not quanity. More is not better! Post cycle training is key - stay consistent and you will keep more of your gains.

Do you have any evidence of your assertion about GH and cancer?

 

[Denkallberry]

JuiceStop, how much can you squat? If it's not a good number, work up to it, then think about the horse tonic. Also, you need to get bloods done before considering this stuff. Go to the HRT section to find out more.

 

[Denkallberry]

Do you have any evidence of your assertion about GH and cancer?

Curious about this as well, Bob. The nutropin.com site makes a brief statement about staying away from GH if you have an "active" cancer on one of their pages, while their insert page doesn't even mention anything about cancer.

There don't appear to be enough studies done to suggest either way.

 

[DRAnabolicMD]

Hey Doc, not to be an ass, but it would probably be best to keep posts like that in PMs or in the classifieds.

Juicestop- if your friends were doing things the correct way, then many of those things should/could have been avoided. There are many different factors like dosage, length of cycle, proper PCT, that affect sides/gains. Don't let test scare you. The mood swing thing is way overrated. If you're an ass before AAS, then you'll be an ass with AAS. Too many guys use that as an excuse to be pricks. If anything, test makes me feel almost euphoric! I've never had any acne problems, sex drive issues, or mood swings to deal with. Also, I tend to run cycles on the long side. Like I've said before, if done correctly, there's nothing to be afraid of unless you're scared of great results. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones? Knowledge, preparation, and execution are the keys to success.

I offer my assistance in product, as you all offer your assistance in knowledge I respect your opinion bro.

To be honest, I wouldnt run the GH, I just dont think its necessary. It surely will not hurt you, but it may leave the wallet a bit light for the results desired bro. Either way, we are all here to help ya. The first cycle is always the most interesting.